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Postby Unibot » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:16 pm

B.) That all member states testing nuclear explosions take all necessary precautions to limit the extent of impact of the testing, including but not limited to testing underground, closing off the area of testing after the testing has taken place, and testing nearby areas to ensure that any fallout from the explosion is spreading.


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Postby Nullarni » Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:18 am

Joshuahood wrote:Nations pay into the WA General Fund, which funds the NDRO. Basically, nations are paying the NDRO, which is approving the testing. Is the problem that nations could manipulate the donation clause in the WA General Fund Resolution to threaten the NDRO into giving them permission to test nukes (for example: "Let me test my nukes or you won't receive any funding from me!")?


No, the problem in the proposal is:
The only way a WA nation can do nuclear testing is if it has recieved approval from the NDRO.

The NDRO exists only because it is paid for by the WA general fund.

All WA nations pay into the WA general fund.

That means, all WA nations are making it possible for other nations to do nuclear testing, (via providing funding to the NDRO, without which no nation could do nuclear testing,) which is outlawed by this very same proposal.

Does that make more sense?
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Postby Neutonica » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:18 am

Nullarni wrote:
Joshuahood wrote:Nations pay into the WA General Fund, which funds the NDRO. Basically, nations are paying the NDRO, which is approving the testing. Is the problem that nations could manipulate the donation clause in the WA General Fund Resolution to threaten the NDRO into giving them permission to test nukes (for example: "Let me test my nukes or you won't receive any funding from me!")?


No, the problem in the proposal is:
The only way a WA nation can do nuclear testing is if it has recieved approval from the NDRO.

The NDRO exists only because it is paid for by the WA general fund.

All WA nations pay into the WA general fund.

That means, all WA nations are making it possible for other nations to do nuclear testing, (via providing funding to the NDRO, without which no nation could do nuclear testing,) which is outlawed by this very same proposal.

Does that make more sense?


I think this resolution doesn't "outlaw" nuclear testing. It just wants to put in place safety requirements which are decided upon by the NDRO, which is why nations require their approval. So, yes, all WA nations are making it possible for other nations to do nuclear testing, but under certain restrictions which "unauthorised" nuclear testing does not necessarily have in place.

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Postby Nullarni » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:27 pm

Neutonica wrote:I think this resolution doesn't "outlaw" nuclear testing. It just wants to put in place safety requirements which are decided upon by the NDRO, which is why nations require their approval. So, yes, all WA nations are making it possible for other nations to do nuclear testing, but under certain restrictions which "unauthorised" nuclear testing does not necessarily have in place.

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Of course not. I never said it outlaws nuclear testing. It does, however, outlaw the promotion and encouragement of nuclear testing. Which is exactly what providing funding for the NDRO would do. Which is what every WA nation, in a round about way, must do.

I am simply pointing out a contradiction in the proposal. Of course, it is dead in the water anyway, so I don't see why I bother.
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Postby Joshuahood » Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:40 pm

EDIT: accidental post.
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Postby Nullarni » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:44 pm

I see that you have made several adjustments to the proposal. Basically, you are putting a WA committee in charge of each nation's nuclear testing... I like the proposal much more than the original. I am curious what the other delegates have to say on the matter.
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Postby Darenjo » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:25 pm

The Darenjon WA Ambassador feels that, even with the many improvements, this resolution is self-contradicting (as others have pointed out).
Also, the Darenjon Dept. of Foreign Affairs is confused over the territorial status of Outer Space, due to a previous GA resolution concerning space (i'll read it over again) as well as the fact that Darenjo currently considers Outer Space WA/International/Neutral territory.
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Postby Unilisia » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:31 pm

Joshuahood wrote:I'm pretty sure that this doesn't contradict other proposals, but...

Constructive criticism is much appreciated.



Limitation on Nuclear Testing
Council: General Assembly|Category: Global Disarmament|Strength: Mild


Description: The World Assembly,

REALIZING that nuclear testing can pose a serious threat to the environments where such testing occurs, as well as to surrounding populations;

ASSERTING that the radiation discharged from nuclear testing is deadly after prolonged exposure;

DISTURBED that despite the serious threat nuclear testing creates, nations persist in the continuation of nuclear testing;

STRESSING the need for the cessation of all nuclear testing in all member states;

HEREBY:

1.) DEFINES "nuclear testing" as the experimentation of the effects of nuclear weapons.

2.) MANDATES:

A.) That all member states cease the unauthorized testing of nuclear weapons within their respective territories.
B.) That all member states refrain from promoting or encouraging unauthorized nuclear explosions or nuclear weapon testing in other nations.
C.) That all member states ensure that nuclear testing be done a safe enough distance away as to not harm a population in any way, be it directly from the explosion itself, or indirectly from contamination.

3.) REQUIRES:

A.) That any member state that does test nuclear weapons, or intends to test nuclear explosions in the future within their respective jurisdiction, to contact the Nuclear Disaster Response Organization (NDRO) for authorization to limit the extent of possible damage caused by the nuclear testing.
B.) That all member states testing nuclear explosions take all necessary precautions to limit the extent of impact of the testing, including but not limited to testing underground, closing off the area of testing after the testing has taken place, and testing nearby areas to ensure that any fallout from the explosion is not spreading.


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Postby Great Valencia » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:33 pm

WA or not, Great Valencia refuses to follow this proposal, should it make it through.

Nuclear testing is a long "tradition" of our military, and we will never cease to continue. To prevent wars, we threat with nuclear force. We will not stop improving our weapons.
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Postby Neutonica » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:43 pm

Great Valencia wrote:WA or not, Great Valencia refuses to follow this proposal, should it make it through.

Nuclear testing is a long "tradition" of our military, and we will never cease to continue. To prevent wars, we threat with nuclear force. We will not stop improving our weapons.


Sir,

The proposal doesn't prevent you from nuclear testing... It just requires you to register it with a committee.

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Postby Melki » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:34 am

I support this, as we host nuclear tests to other nations on our uninhabited and unmapped island of Kurabimi (koo-ray-BEE-mee). A major worry is that they will do something stupid and destroy my nation. I just have a few things I want to cover.
STRESSING the need for the cessation of all nuclear testing in all member states;
But it's a limitation, not a ban. It should be:
STRESSING the need for the regulation of all nuclear testing in all member states;

A.) That any member state that does test nuclear weapons, or intends to test nuclear explosions in the future within their respective jurisdiction, to contact the Nuclear Disaster Response Organization (NDRO) for authorization to limit the extent of possible damage caused by the nuclear testing.
So this basically is like the NDRO is a clean-up service. That's not right since the nation that tested the bomb was willing to test it, knowing the consequences. Maybe:
A.) That any member state that does test nuclear weapons and spreads radioactive waste to populated areas and/or wildlife contacts the Nuclear Disaster Response Organization (NDRO) for authorization to limit the extent of possible damage caused by the nuclear testing.

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Postby Nullarni » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:43 am

Darenjo wrote:The Darenjon WA Ambassador feels that, even with the many improvements, this resolution is self-contradicting (as others have pointed out).


Being the one to point out the contradictions I must say, from what I see, the newest version is no longer self-contradictory. Now, I could be mistaken in this, so I would need the Darenjon Ambassador to be specific in what contradictions he is reffering to.
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Postby Hetworld » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:14 am

Joshuahood wrote:3.) REQUIRES:

A.) That any member state that does test nuclear weapons, or intends to test nuclear explosions in the future within their respective jurisdiction, to contact the Nuclear Disaster Response Organization (NDRO) for authorization to limit the extent of possible damage caused by the nuclear testing.


The statement seems to suggest that member states must be authorized by the NDRO before they can start to limit the extent of possible damage. Perhaps a reword is necessary?

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Postby Nullarni » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:43 am

Hetworld wrote:The statement seems to suggest that member states must be authorized by the NDRO before they can start to limit the extent of possible damage. Perhaps a reword is necessary?


I think that is the intent of the clause.
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Postby Ugasolva » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:01 am

Limitation it says cessation, futhermore well nevermind
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Postby Great Valencia » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:40 pm

Neutonica wrote:
Great Valencia wrote:WA or not, Great Valencia refuses to follow this proposal, should it make it through.

Nuclear testing is a long "tradition" of our military, and we will never cease to continue. To prevent wars, we threat with nuclear force. We will not stop improving our weapons.


Sir,

The proposal doesn't prevent you from nuclear testing... It just requires you to register it with a committee.



I understand, but as said, we will refuse. We dont have time to waste, we have a nuke test scheduled we do it, not register it
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Postby Joshuahood » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:38 pm

Thank you all, I'll try to make corrections when I have the time tomorrow.
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Postby Darenjo » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:01 am

Nullarni wrote:
Darenjo wrote:The Darenjon WA Ambassador feels that, even with the many improvements, this resolution is self-contradicting (as others have pointed out).


Being the one to point out the contradictions I must say, from what I see, the newest version is no longer self-contradictory. Now, I could be mistaken in this, so I would need the Darenjon Ambassador to be specific in what contradictions he is reffering to.


Sorry, was reading an older version. We no longer find self-contradictions, but still think that the proposal will fail.
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Postby Nullarni » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:05 am

Darenjo wrote:
Nullarni wrote:
Darenjo wrote:The Darenjon WA Ambassador feels that, even with the many improvements, this resolution is self-contradicting (as others have pointed out).


Being the one to point out the contradictions I must say, from what I see, the newest version is no longer self-contradictory. Now, I could be mistaken in this, so I would need the Darenjon Ambassador to be specific in what contradictions he is reffering to.


Sorry, was reading an older version. We no longer find self-contradictions, but still think that the proposal will fail.


No worries. I have done that before several times. A little over a month ago I tore someone' proposal to pieces and insulted the person who wrote it, only to find out that I was reading the first draft. I had to sheepishly apologize and retract all my previous statements. I tried to lie low for a few days after that incident. :?
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Postby Joshuahood » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:19 pm

(OOC): I bring the risk of a gravedig to bring this proposal to life.
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Postby Holy Roman Confederate » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:01 pm

If this proposal is coming back to life the HRC has grave concerns. In the wording of the document as it stands currently a nation would be well within the limitations of the spirit of the document should they test nuclear weapons at sea. Being that shipping lanes and sea lines of communication are not claimed territory, the 300 mile limit would be observed. Does that mean the international community would rejoice at the prospect of fission/fusion devices being tested in deep water? The HRC believes the answer would be a resounding "no". Furthermore the HRC, as we believe many nations will also agree, take the standpoint that having to register our testing schedules with an international body would constitute a threat to our national security. From an intelligence gathering point of view this proposal opens the pandora's box of nuclear secrets to a governing body composed of some none nuclear capable nations. The HRC is willing to find a happy medium that will address both sides of the for and against argument with this proposal. The HRC is willing to make available to all global nuclear powers the computer program to computer model their weapons effiecieny and yield on a super computer controlled by each host government. With this process we move beyond physical testing and address the concerns of physical testing, while also addressing the security concerns of putting an international body in close proximity to weapons of national importance. The HRC offers the needed programs freely to the world.
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