
by Quadrimmina » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:08 am

by Grays Harbor » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:17 am
IT IS THEREFORE ESTABLISHED:
1) The health services shall constitute separate systems in each & every nation, organized according to the following guidelines:
a) Full health services coverage;

by Quadrimmina » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:20 am
Grays Harbor wrote:Isn't this in effect already covered under resolution #97, Quality Health whatever?IT IS THEREFORE ESTABLISHED:
1) The health services shall constitute separate systems in each & every nation, organized according to the following guidelines:
a) Full health services coverage;
Why do we also now need more insurance on top of that? How much redundancy do we need?

by Sionis Prioratus » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:21 am
Grays Harbor wrote:Isn't this in effect already covered under resolution #97, Quality Health whatever?

by Melki » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:24 am
Quadrimmina wrote:Single Payer Option Act
Social Justice > Mild
THIS WORLD ASSEMBLY,
UNDERSTANDING the disparity of the availability of health services in WA nations.
FURTHER UNDERSTANDING the number of dead and dying persons and lowered standards and qualities of life as a result of such a disparity.
SEEKING to correct this disparity.
HEREBY CREATES the World Assembly Single Payer Committee (WASPC), which will be in charge of running and regulating a health insurance option to compete with those currently in place in member nations.
ALLOWS nations to contract the insurance option as a nation-offered health care plan.
FORBIDS the insurance plan from running unless it has received sufficient pledges from nations or individuals to be financially self-sustainable.
URGES nations to allow such a plan to compete with their private insurance plans or their public single payer plans.
ACKNOWLEDGES that non-WA nations may also buy into this plan, but that reasonable pricing disparities may be set by the WASPC between WA and non-WA nations.

by Grays Harbor » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:26 am
Quadrimmina wrote:Grays Harbor wrote:Isn't this in effect already covered under resolution #97, Quality Health whatever?IT IS THEREFORE ESTABLISHED:
1) The health services shall constitute separate systems in each & every nation, organized according to the following guidelines:
a) Full health services coverage;
Why do we also now need more insurance on top of that? How much redundancy do we need?
It's not that, it's simply another option nations have in providing full services coverage.

by Grays Harbor » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:29 am
Sionis Prioratus wrote:Grays Harbor wrote:Isn't this in effect already covered under resolution #97, Quality Health whatever?
Has Your Excellency's gone so maddenly insane because of #97, that Your Excellency cannot ever get around to pronouncing its name? Or it is just an early symptom of dementia?
Yours,

by Quadrimmina » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:33 am

by Sionis Prioratus » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:37 am
Quadrimmina wrote:In other words, we considered "Quality in Health Services" to be an unfunded mandate that hurts many nations (we have UniCare, we're covered just fine), and therefore offer this as a way to bridge that disparity, as opposed to repealing a resolution that has some merits.
2) The health system shall be financed by national budgets or the budgets of assigned political divisions, as well as other existing private voluntary sources. The WHA may also fund at the request of any nation, but never before a thorough audit of the health system, ensuring transparency & honesty. The WHA shall deny funding to any nation if there is:
a) Reasonable suspicion of occurrence of deliberate diversion of money from the health budget towards other uses; the WHA shall never cover deliberate budgetary shortages;
b) Reasonable evidence a nation’s economy is strong enough as to not actually need external help.

by Astralsideria » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:46 am

by Quadrimmina » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:52 am
Sionis Prioratus wrote:Quadrimmina wrote:In other words, we considered "Quality in Health Services" to be an unfunded mandate that hurts many nations (we have UniCare, we're covered just fine), and therefore offer this as a way to bridge that disparity, as opposed to repealing a resolution that has some merits.
Maybe dementia has evolved into an epidemic:2) The health system shall be financed by national budgets or the budgets of assigned political divisions, as well as other existing private voluntary sources. The WHA may also fund at the request of any nation, but never before a thorough audit of the health system, ensuring transparency & honesty. The WHA shall deny funding to any nation if there is:
a) Reasonable suspicion of occurrence of deliberate diversion of money from the health budget towards other uses; the WHA shall never cover deliberate budgetary shortages;
b) Reasonable evidence a nation’s economy is strong enough as to not actually need external help.
This argument is below pathetic.
Yours,

by Ammador » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:56 am

by Sionis Prioratus » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:01 am
Quadrimmina wrote:we must note that our proposal mitigates the need for our funding of those nations that cannot provide for themselves by allowing them to have a secondary solution, like providing a plan for multiple people.The issue is simply that this cuts the burden that the WA must use to "bail out" other nations via GA#97, and allows them to fund a plan by creating a de facto "cooperative".
4) Nations, or any assigned political divisions, shall:
a) Provide health personnel & supplies to health services at least once every budget cycle, aiming at the gradual reduction of internal health disparities;
b) Establish the standards of review, evaluation & control of allocation of health personnel & supplies;
c) The WHA shall assist the shaping of said standards if, and only if, so asked by any nation.
5) Nations or any assigned political divisions shall retain full freedom to:
a) Allow or not, partial to full participation of private enterprise in their health systems;
IT IS THEREFORE ESTABLISHED:
1) The health services shall constitute separate systems in each & every nation, organized according to the following guidelines:
a) Full health services coverage;
b) Community participation;
c) Cooperation between nations that are not at a declared state of war amongst themselves.

by Sionis Prioratus » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:02 am
Ammador wrote:The Republic of Ammador already has a Universal Healthcare system (AB 12846-HTC: 1033 - The People's Health Protection Act of 1990 Created "Amma-Care"). We have a small private sector health insurance industry offering supplemental and private insurance plans.
We wonder if the esteemed author would add a clause that makes an exception for nations with Universal Healthcare Programs?
by Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:09 am

by Freeoplis » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:13 am

by Quadrimmina » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:16 am
Sionis Prioratus wrote:Ammador wrote:The Republic of Ammador already has a Universal Healthcare system (AB 12846-HTC: 1033 - The People's Health Protection Act of 1990 Created "Amma-Care"). We have a small private sector health insurance industry offering supplemental and private insurance plans.
We wonder if the esteemed author would add a clause that makes an exception for nations with Universal Healthcare Programs?
He will not, Your Excellency, as this text is redundant head to toe, and as such has no future.
Yours,

by Sionis Prioratus » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:22 am
Quadrimmina wrote:The non-effect clause that says that the system does not operate without sufficient pledge should be an indication of that.

by Freeoplis » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:24 am
Quadrimmina wrote:To answer the concerns of Ammador, our nation as well has a universal healthcare program. It is actually rather similar to yours (ours is called UniCare), with a single payer system and supplemental coverage available. However, we must note that this is not a mandatory plan, simply one that is set up. If Your Excellency would like me to remove the URGES part that urges those with single payer to offer this as competition, I will gladly do so. However, we feel that the language exempts nations like yours and mine who offer single-payer healthcare, since it is an opt-in system for nations.
The same goes for Freeoplis and Charlotte Ryberg.
This is not a mandatory system, I think this is the misunderstanding that nations have. The non-effect clause that says that the system does not operate without sufficient pledge should be an indication of that.

by Quadrimmina » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:29 am
Freeoplis wrote:Quadrimmina wrote:To answer the concerns of Ammador, our nation as well has a universal healthcare program. It is actually rather similar to yours (ours is called UniCare), with a single payer system and supplemental coverage available. However, we must note that this is not a mandatory plan, simply one that is set up. If Your Excellency would like me to remove the URGES part that urges those with single payer to offer this as competition, I will gladly do so. However, we feel that the language exempts nations like yours and mine who offer single-payer healthcare, since it is an opt-in system for nations.
The same goes for Freeoplis and Charlotte Ryberg.
This is not a mandatory system, I think this is the misunderstanding that nations have. The non-effect clause that says that the system does not operate without sufficient pledge should be an indication of that.
We understand the reasoning in providing an alternative health care system within Nations, even in those providing free health care, however we spend billions of Freelas on our public health care system each year, why would we want to spend more money on a WA proposal to create a second option, it just wouldn't make sense and it would be difficult to encourage us to support an unnecessary spending of such money.

by Sionis Prioratus » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:34 am
Quadrimmina wrote:
It should be noted that while buying into the program is optional and the program being brought into effect is optional, creating it is not. Therefore, it shouldn't be illegal.

by Quadrimmina » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:39 am
Sionis Prioratus wrote:Quadrimmina wrote:
It should be noted that while buying into the program is optional and the program being brought into effect is optional, creating it is not. Therefore, it shouldn't be illegal.
Should that argument be true - we doubt it - we are puzzled as to what exactly constitutes "sufficient pledges".
Yours,

by Freeoplis » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:44 am

by Sionis Prioratus » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:48 am
Quadrimmina wrote:Sionis Prioratus wrote:Quadrimmina wrote:
It should be noted that while buying into the program is optional and the program being brought into effect is optional, creating it is not. Therefore, it shouldn't be illegal.
Should that argument be true - we doubt it - we are puzzled as to what exactly constitutes "sufficient pledges".
Yours,
Whenever the gnomes who run the program determine that they can be profitable as a single payer plan with the money they get in from pledging nations. Hence the necessity of the committee, considering our nation's aversion to them.

by Quadrimmina » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:51 am
Freeoplis wrote:The optional Nature is welcomed but we raise the issue that what would stop all Nations from opting out making this proposal redundant. The reality is at a National level insurance and pharmaceutical companies will lobby politicians to opt out as they will want to keep their monopoly on health care in tact, economic and National pressures on politicians will in the end win the day against such an optional proposal.
Sionis Prioratus wrote:Quadrimmina wrote:Sionis Prioratus wrote:Quadrimmina wrote:
It should be noted that while buying into the program is optional and the program being brought into effect is optional, creating it is not. Therefore, it shouldn't be illegal.
Should that argument be true - we doubt it - we are puzzled as to what exactly constitutes "sufficient pledges".
Yours,
Whenever the gnomes who run the program determine that they can be profitable as a single payer plan with the money they get in from pledging nations. Hence the necessity of the committee, considering our nation's aversion to them.
Good! Will World Assembly members receive a letter from the Compliance Commission when the Committee Your Excellency Is Creating Notwithstanding Your Excellency Has Aversion To Committees deems there are "sufficient pledges"?
Yours,
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