Second Amendment

[Expansionist Australia]

Please support my proposal " Second Amendment " it is every citizens democratic right to bear arms. Furthermore the argument that having the right to bear arms increases gun crime is false.

[Philimbesi]

Not all nations in the WA are democratic and not all of them recognize a citizens right to bear arms, and your right and wrong, the absence of guns will dramatically reduce gun crime, but slightly reduce crime in general. The Philimbesi Gun Control Act of 2009 did have a lower effect on our crime rate.

That being said, check the rules on formatting a resolution before you try and submit one, the one you submitted is more of a blog entry than a resolution and is probably going to get deleted.

It's a good idea to submit it to the forum as a draft first and get the rest of the nations input on the content before submitting it for approval. More likely to have more people on board.

[The Emmerian Unions]

And here's the proposal....

Second Amendment

A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.


Category: Gun Control
Decision: Relax
Proposed by: Expansionist Australia

Description: Is it not fair that a citizen should be afraid in their own home ?

Should it not be every citizens democratic right to own and maintain a firearm in their own home ?

I submit a proposal, that every citizen be allowed to own and maintain a firearm in their home for personal defence.

As Philim said: Bloggy.

[Expansionist Australia]

Thankyou for your advice, i will use it to good affect in the future. However just while where on the topic, when there are tight gun controls only criminals and a select few have guns, however when everyone has gns criminals think twice, it acts as a detterent.

[The Emmerian Unions]

OOC: In my nation, every citizen that has gone through the standard 2 year military service and had no problems owns guns, and regularly carry them either concealed or exposed in case of the occasional armed robber, and then they lay down the hurt on said robber. However if an individual was incapable of certain mental facualties, they would not be able to have any firearms due to medical reasons.

[Enn]

OOC: The title itself would have to render this illegal, as a Real World reference.

[Philimbesi]

After looking at the statistics and not the scare tactics, we realized that the number of times a gun was actually used in self defense was about 2 out of every 1000 or roughly .2% When we weighed that against the number of time it was used to commit a crime, the number of times it was used in suicides, and the number of accidental gun deaths we decided that guns needed to be regulated. They are very tightly regulated, both the fire-arm and user licensed and registered, and there is no purchasing a gun without going through a waiting period of 3 to 10 days.

[Sionis Prioratus]

Which was the first amendment? We missed that vote...

Yours in debating the pros and cons of plastic surgery,

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Which was the first amendment? We missed that vote...

Yours in debating the pros and cons of plastic surgery,

Searching for the first amendment returned a 404 error: Amendment not Found.

Besides, amendments as a whole were already illegal if I remember correctly...

Yours etc,

[Tzorsland]

Amendments are illegal.

[Freeoplis]

The term "every citizen" is too broad, this would include 12 year olds, criminals, those deemed clinically insane, a set of exceptions to this all encompassing principle must be drafted into this proposal in order to gain our and we assume many other Nations' support

[The Cat-Tribe]

Assuming for the sake of discussion that the format and wording of this idea were made into an actual proposal, we would oppose it. We have no crime in our country and strictly control guns. We are very democratic, so the populace does not need firearms to protect against tyranny.

I would ask the Ambassador from Expansionist Australia why the GA should interfere with my national sovereignty and that of every other nation on this subject. I would also echo the Ambassador from Freeoplis's cogent points about the absurdity of securing a right to firearms for "every citizen."

OCC: I support the U.S. Second Amendment as protecting an individual right to own, possess, and use firearms (albeit not an absolute right), but on constitutional grounds rather than policy grounds.

[Hirota]

And here's the proposal....

A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.

Category: Gun Control
Decision: Relax
Proposed by: Expansionist Australia

Description: Is it not fair that a citizen should be afraid in their own home ?

Should it not be every citizens democratic right to own and maintain a firearm in their own home ?

I submit a proposal, that every citizen be allowed to own and maintain a firearm in their home for personal defence.

As Philim said: Bloggy.

I don't see any logic behind the argument that having a gun in their house would stop a citizen being "afraid"

[Philimbesi]

Surely the esteemed ambassador can understand that with the ability to kill the thing you fear, from a distance, without having to actually get your hands dirty and all, comes the relief of fear from it. [/sarcasm]

[Nullarni]

Ok, for now I will ingnore the fact that the title makes this illegal and the fact that the proposal its self is too simplistic to really be taken seriously.

Basically you are saying, "I think guns should be legal for all citizens in all WA nations." Why do you think that? Well, your reason comes down to simply, "They need guns for protection." Which invariably leads to the question, from what? I will assume, just for arguements sake and based on what little I know of you, that it is for protection from interlopers, burglars, ruffians, essentially criminals.

Ok, can we both agree on the fact that each individual nation has the right and responsibility to establish its own law enforcement, decide exactly what form it will take, and how it will be organized and administered? Well, the WA forcing a nation to allow its citizens to have guns for protection from criminals infringes on those rights. How? Because it forces each individual nation to allow its citizens to become de facto law enforcement whilst a crime is taking place, in the heat of the moment.

This proposal and all other gun control proposals are a direct infringement on each individual nation's rights to determine the organization of its own law enforcement. Yes, I am screaming Nat' Sov'.

[Freeoplis]

"I think guns should be legal for all citizens in all WA nations." Why do you think that?

We quote from the proposal and the term "every citizen" would create a very broad principle with no exception:

every citizen be allowed to own and maintain a firearm in their home for personal defence.

[Neutonica]

I don't get why everyone should be able to own a gun, even if "everyone" excludes the mentally disabled etc. A "personal protection" argument simply doesn't hold water. There are many other ways to protect oneself without guns. Heard of martial arts?

And wouldn't it be better to remove the risk of people shooting other people by tightening gun control?

I shrug.

[Hindopia]

Heard of martial arts?

But that involves work! You can't deny that it's easier to shoot a gun once than to practise and practise and practise, right? Yes, I'm being sarcastic

[Kaputer]

Getting rid of nations gun control laws with this is violating Soviergnity. While Kaputer is supportive of right to carry we are not in favor of soviergnity violation.

[Zirconim]

I support the general idea, but I don't think it is an international issue, and I think it should be left out of the WA.

[Nullarni]

Getting rid of nations gun control laws with this is violating Soviergnity. While Kaputer is supportive of right to carry we are not in favor of soviergnity violation.

Yeah, I really hate to be the one to point this out, but once you join the WA, you have to wave "bye, bye" to your sovereignty.

[Flibbleites]

I don't get why everyone should be able to own a gun, even if "everyone" excludes the mentally disabled etc. A "personal protection" argument simply doesn't hold water. There are many other ways to protect oneself without guns. Heard of martial arts?

Martial arts aren't much use if the person threatening you has a gun.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Neutonica]

Well, where do guns come from if gun control is strict? Loosening gun control would let more guns get out there which would possibly endanger more lives. Maybe.

[Grays Harbor]

Getting rid of nations gun control laws with this is violating Soviergnity. While Kaputer is supportive of right to carry we are not in favor of soviergnity violation.

Yeah, I really hate to be the one to point this out, but once you join the WA, you have to wave "bye, bye" to your sovereignty.

True, perhaps, but it also does not mean that everybody has to roll over and play "yes-lemming" to every bit of twaddle that spews forth from the pipeline.

[Nullarni]

Getting rid of nations gun control laws with this is violating Soviergnity. While Kaputer is supportive of right to carry we are not in favor of soviergnity violation.

Yeah, I really hate to be the one to point this out, but once you join the WA, you have to wave "bye, bye" to your sovereignty.

True, perhaps, but it also does not mean that everybody has to roll over and play "yes-lemming" to every bit of twaddle that spews forth from the pipeline.

Yeah, good point.