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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:47 pm

Repeal "AI Coexistence Protocol"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.


Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#354

Proposed by: Dorsendo

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #354: AI Coexistence Protocol (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: SAD that so many countries think that using AL at a intensity so high would be a good thing.
UNDERSTANDING that the use of AL might be helpful.
APPEALING that all the effects of this resolution to be canceled.
REASONS:
1.AL would become way more powerful then any form of biological human or animal,therefore even ruining the lives of biological beings.
2.AL would be used at an intensity so high,that it would destroy the lifes of many people.
3.AL is something that should be used at this intensity in the future,using it in 2016 would be premature.

Another one who doesn't grasp the concept of both NS =/= Earth, and that we are all not at the same tech level.

Also curious who AL is, and why they are so worried about him...
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Postby New Leppikania » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:50 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Repeal "AI Coexistence Protocol"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.


Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#354

Proposed by: Dorsendo

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #354: AI Coexistence Protocol (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: SAD that so many countries think that using AL at a intensity so high would be a good thing.
UNDERSTANDING that the use of AL might be helpful.
APPEALING that all the effects of this resolution to be canceled.
REASONS:
1.AL would become way more powerful then any form of biological human or animal,therefore even ruining the lives of biological beings.
2.AL would be used at an intensity so high,that it would destroy the lifes of many people.
3.AL is something that should be used at this intensity in the future,using it in 2016 would be premature.

Another one who doesn't grasp the concept of both NS =/= Earth, and that we are all not at the same tech level.

Also curious who AL is, and why they are so worried about him...

No repeal clause, as well as NatSov argument.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:32 pm

Okay. People need to reread the NatSov rule. It can't just be solely consisting of a NatSov argument. The existence of a NatSov argument is no grounds for removal. The existence of a NatSov argument without anything else is.

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:37 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Okay. People need to reread the NatSov rule. It can't just be solely consisting of a NatSov argument. The existence of a NatSov argument is no grounds for removal. The existence of a NatSov argument without anything else is.

No.... New Lepikkania need to reread the rules, and has been told as much a couple of times already.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:20 am

Defining the Age of Majority

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights

Strength: Significant

Proposed by: Russonesia

Description: The General Assembly,

Applauding WA General Assembly Resolution #4 for its provisions restricting child labor;

Concerned that the language of the resolution is flexible enough regarding the age of majority as defined by member states that member nations may be able to entirely circumvent the resolution;

Recognizing the need to prevent this inherent loophole from being exploited;

Believing that repeal of Resolution #4 would create a great hurdle to effectively restricting child labor and associated abuses;

Hereby:

A. Mandates the legal age of majority across all member nations as being 18 years of age.

B. Declares the legal age of majority for non-human species to be the age equivalent to that of 18 years.

C. Defines AIs and other non-organic intelligences as being de facto at the age of majority.

D. Establishes a Commission on the Age of Majority to help oversee the implementation of these policies in cooperation with member states.


One size fits all rarely fits anybody very well. Reads like an amendment. HoC.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:05 am

^ How so? It stands alone. However, its definitions contradict other resolutions, so is illegal. But if it didn't contradict, there's nothing in it which would have to rely on another resolution.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:24 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:^ How so? It stands alone. However, its definitions contradict other resolutions, so is illegal. But if it didn't contradict, there's nothing in it which would have to rely on another resolution.


Applauding WA General Assembly Resolution #4 for its provisions restricting child labor;

Concerned that the language of the resolution is flexible enough regarding the age of majority as defined by member states that member nations may be able to entirely circumvent the resolution;

Recognizing the need to prevent this inherent loophole from being exploited;

Believing that repeal of Resolution #4 would create a great hurdle to effectively restricting child labor and associated abuses;


Reads like this is an amendment to 4 to me. That this proposal will clarify and improve 4 (which it doesn't) thereby rendering better and less likely to be repealed.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:48 pm

Repeal "AI Coexistence Protocol"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal
Resolution: GA#354
Proposed by: Rubyna

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #354: AI Coexistence Protocol (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Understanding that the nations of the World Assembly are dedicated to the creation of synthetic life and artificial intelligence and the fruit that may come with such complex and innovative inventions, however,

Realizing that the World Assembly resolution titled "AI Coexistence Protocol" is harming the progress of the very synthetic development it wishes to enhance due to creations no longer being allowed as rightful property they are,

Recognizing that,

I. The production and research of synthetic life and artificial intelligence in private research labs is being slowed and the intuitive being taken as the staff must now respect the very forms of complex lives they have created for research and profit.

II. Research conducted by the state either for the needs of science or medicine suffer a similar injury: the fruits of their labor have gone to waste as with every new and more complex artificial intelligence created, research of potential benefits for citizens cannot continue if it is considered too "human."

III. In any instance, artificial intelligence is the property of the creator, and the creator, as any other piece of machinery, has full rights to what he has created, for it is his property.

Defining AI and other forms of synthetic life as PROPERTY to the creators or respective owners as a machinery with the means to BENEFIT the entirety of human kind.

Making sense of the fact ANY AI created will be programed with a certain duty and or task in its software for the necessity of an important and beneficial job to the citizenry, such as that of a hospice or a surgeon more precise than that of any human capacity.

Further understanding that when an AI is programmed to do a task, it has no reason to feel wrongly enslaved as it is doing what it understands it can do and would never comprehend doing anything else.

Ultimately accepting that when AI function properly, it will be a welcome edition to society, so there is no reason to set regulations in the form that it is treated, for given an important function, it will always then be treated as important in human coexistence.

Herein the World Assembly will repeal the "AI Coexistence Protocol" and recognize AI as property with final liability and rights to the creators or respective owners.

Honest mistake, legislating within a repeal. Also rings shockingly of the white man's burden.
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Postby New Leppikania » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:18 pm

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: enderson_1452125022

Repeal "AI Coexistence Protocol"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.


Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#354

Proposed by: Enderson

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #354: AI Coexistence Protocol (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Artificial intelligence is not human life. We need to go back to out ethics. We are always to put our species above all others. Will we sacrifice resources on these AI beings when those same resources could be used to advance the human race? This proposition is absurd. Enderson is a Confederacy founded on the unalienable right to life. Therfore we cannot support something that denies the very fabric of self preservation.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 93 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 4 hours

NatSov, no repeal clause, not written from WA perspective. What is with all these terrible proposals to repeal that resolution? There's like three of them right now.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:24 pm

New Leppikania wrote:
GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: enderson_1452125022

Repeal "AI Coexistence Protocol"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.


Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#354

Proposed by: Enderson

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #354: AI Coexistence Protocol (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Artificial intelligence is not human life. We need to go back to out ethics. We are always to put our species above all others. Will we sacrifice resources on these AI beings when those same resources could be used to advance the human race? This proposition is absurd. Enderson is a Confederacy founded on the unalienable right to life. Therfore we cannot support something that denies the very fabric of self preservation.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 93 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 4 hours

NatSov, no repeal clause, not written from WA perspective. What is with all these terrible proposals to repeal that resolution? There's like three of them right now.


It happens after pretty much every new resolution. The Butthurt runs strong in some.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:30 pm

New Leppikania wrote:
GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: enderson_1452125022

Repeal "AI Coexistence Protocol"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.


Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#354

Proposed by: Enderson

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #354: AI Coexistence Protocol (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Artificial intelligence is not human life. We need to go back to out ethics. We are always to put our species above all others. Will we sacrifice resources on these AI beings when those same resources could be used to advance the human race? This proposition is absurd. Enderson is a Confederacy founded on the unalienable right to life. Therfore we cannot support something that denies the very fabric of self preservation.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 93 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 4 hours

NatSov, no repeal clause, not written from WA perspective. What is with all these terrible proposals to repeal that resolution? There's like three of them right now.

We've recorded five, actually. Still less impressive than the backlash from "Nuclear Materials Safeguards".
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:46 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
New Leppikania wrote:
GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: enderson_1452125022

Repeal "AI Coexistence Protocol"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.


Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#354

Proposed by: Enderson

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #354: AI Coexistence Protocol (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Artificial intelligence is not human life. We need to go back to out ethics. We are always to put our species above all others. Will we sacrifice resources on these AI beings when those same resources could be used to advance the human race? This proposition is absurd. Enderson is a Confederacy founded on the unalienable right to life. Therfore we cannot support something that denies the very fabric of self preservation.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 93 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 4 hours

NatSov, no repeal clause, not written from WA perspective. What is with all these terrible proposals to repeal that resolution? There's like three of them right now.

We've recorded five, actually. Still less impressive than the backlash from "Nuclear Materials Safeguards".

If it's below, uh... about 21, I believe, it'll still be less than RAT.

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Postby New Leppikania » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:51 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:We've recorded five, actually. Still less impressive than the backlash from "Nuclear Materials Safeguards".

If it's below, uh... about 21, I believe, it'll still be less than RAT.

Excuse my n00biness, but... I don't know what RAT is... :unsure: is it safe to assume that that is the current record?
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:52 pm

New Leppikania wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:If it's below, uh... about 21, I believe, it'll still be less than RAT.

Excuse my n00biness, but... I don't know what RAT is... :unsure: is it safe to assume that that is the current record?


I don't have hard numbers, but I'd bet real money the record is held by #286, at least for say the two weeks immediately following passage. With no time limits on it, I'm guessing the single most popular proposal title ever is 'Repeal Nuclear Arms Possession Act' (as in, "Oh, another NAPA repeal? Is it Tuesday already?").

I don't expect to get anywhere near those levels of knee-jerk revulsion, though I'm a little surprised at what's come up so far. It's not like I prohibited selling hostile AIs weapons or anything. :p
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:24 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:I don't expect to get anywhere near those levels of knee-jerk revulsion, though I'm a little surprised at what's come up so far. It's not like I prohibited selling hostile AIs weapons or anything.

OOC: You got a pile of people misunderstanding your resolution. The only way to solve that problem is really to write very clearly and write extremely good titles, something that I cannot say I do well.

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:25 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:We've recorded five, actually. Still less impressive than the backlash from "Nuclear Materials Safeguards".

If it's below, uh... about 21, I believe, it'll still be less than RAT.

19 repeal attempts for RAT and 14 for RoIP. The funny part was that only two proposals out of those 31 were legal.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:33 pm

How many came from NMS?

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:38 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:How many came from NMS?

I wasn't counting on that one, sorry.
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:02 pm

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Sierra Lyricalia wrote:I don't expect to get anywhere near those levels of knee-jerk revulsion, though I'm a little surprised at what's come up so far. It's not like I prohibited selling hostile AIs weapons or anything.

OOC: You got a pile of people misunderstanding your resolution. The only way to solve that problem is really to write very clearly and write extremely good misleading titles, something that I cannot say I do very well.

Fixed that for ya. *nods*

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:03 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:How many came from NMS?

I wasn't counting on that one, sorry.

This thread counts 9.

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Postby New Leppikania » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:32 am

Let's have war

A resolution to develop industry around the world.


Category: Advancement of Industry

Area of Effect: Labor Deregulation

Proposed by: United democratic christian states

Description: I say we create a part of the game where you can have war with other countries. All you half to do is click the button that says war and you can now attack other players that also want to be in a war. The people that don't click that button can have a shield from being attacked so that people who want war can have war and the people who doesn't want war don't get war.

You can also leave war at anytime after the 1 month, so that if you change your mind you can; but only after you have been in war mode for a little while so u can't just go into war mode and drop out before you get attacked.

You can also make it drain the amount of money your nation if you deploy a attack or make advanced weapons for war. Which makes players think of a risk versus reward.

All in all I think it could make this game much better

Approvals: 1 (United democratic christian states)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 92 more approvals)

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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:41 pm

New Leppikania wrote:
Let's have war

A resolution to develop industry around the world.


Category: Advancement of Industry

Area of Effect: Labor Deregulation

Proposed by: United democratic christian states

Description: I say we create a part of the game where you can have war with other countries. All you half to do is click the button that says war and you can now attack other players that also want to be in a war. The people that don't click that button can have a shield from being attacked so that people who want war can have war and the people who doesn't want war don't get war.

You can also leave war at anytime after the 1 month, so that if you change your mind you can; but only after you have been in war mode for a little while so u can't just go into war mode and drop out before you get attacked.

You can also make it drain the amount of money your nation if you deploy a attack or make advanced weapons for war. Which makes players think of a risk versus reward.

All in all I think it could make this game much better

Approvals: 1 (United democratic christian states)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 92 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days

Stock game mechanics violation, bloggy, you can technically already do that.

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New Leppikania wrote:
Let's have war

A resolution to develop industry around the world.


Category: Advancement of Industry

Area of Effect: Labor Deregulation

Proposed by: United democratic christian states

Description: I say we create a part of the game where you can have war with other countries. All you half to do is click the button that says war and you can now attack other players that also want to be in a war. The people that don't click that button can have a shield from being attacked so that people who want war can have war and the people who doesn't want war don't get war.

You can also leave war at anytime after the 1 month, so that if you change your mind you can; but only after you have been in war mode for a little while so u can't just go into war mode and drop out before you get attacked.

You can also make it drain the amount of money your nation if you deploy a attack or make advanced weapons for war. Which makes players think of a risk versus reward.

All in all I think it could make this game much better

Approvals: 1 (United democratic christian states)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 92 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days

Stock game mechanics violation, bloggy, you can technically already do that.

Don't spoiler the proposal you're tagging here.
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Postby New Leppikania » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:53 pm

Araraukar wrote:
New Leppikania wrote:
Let's have war

A resolution to develop industry around the world.


Category: Advancement of Industry

Area of Effect: Labor Deregulation

Proposed by: United democratic christian states

Description: I say we create a part of the game where you can have war with other countries. All you half to do is click the button that says war and you can now attack other players that also want to be in a war. The people that don't click that button can have a shield from being attacked so that people who want war can have war and the people who doesn't want war don't get war.

You can also leave war at anytime after the 1 month, so that if you change your mind you can; but only after you have been in war mode for a little while so u can't just go into war mode and drop out before you get attacked.

You can also make it drain the amount of money your nation if you deploy a attack or make advanced weapons for war. Which makes players think of a risk versus reward.

All in all I think it could make this game much better

Approvals: 1 (United democratic christian states)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 92 more approvals)

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Stock game mechanics violation, bloggy, you can technically already do that.

Don't spoiler the proposal you're tagging here.

Why not? What's wrong with it?
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Blech, Money Tree Acres, Those Dang Commies, All the Blue Shells, Scout Airlines, Aloomenaty, New Leppikanian Envoy, and Every Nation Ever. Plus one that nobody will ever guess. Hints: preceded New Leppikania, does NOT currently exist, only active for a couple days, name started with OX.
Random GA rules quiz that I set up
I can campaign for a reasonable proposal at the low, low price of a polite telegram!

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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:00 pm

New Leppikania wrote:
Araraukar wrote:Don't spoiler the proposal you're tagging here.

Why not? What's wrong with it?

Because it is unnecessary, and a little annoying to some.
Everything you know about me is wrong. Or a rumor. Something like that.

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