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Postby Fachumonn » Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:25 am

What is this thread title? I understand last call but this?
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:54 am

Fachumonn wrote:What is this thread title? I understand last call but this?

It's been my habit of recent years to provide an explicit submission date in the thread title when possible so that people are made aware of when they should comment.

RE Cessarea:
- The ellipses at the end of every preamble I write for every resolution are another habit of mine.
- I personally don't see the need for your a(i) rewording - a law which applies to a person employed as X in the course of their duties as X only applies to that person when they are doing X, and not (say) while doing Y or Z.
- Your proposed expansion of the excessive force requirement - to cover self-defence, and routine procedures for which the use of force is to be expected - have been added verbatim.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:11 am

This will in fact be submitted in around nine hours due to an oversight on my behalf.
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:59 am

Ambassador Fortier stands to speak. “Seeing as this proposal has been submitted, I will declare my support for it. There is no reason to oppose a measure to restrain the force of the police. This force is, in most countries, a tool of oppression used to maintain systematic injustice. Any removal of its capacity for violence, ideally in favour of a capacity for peacekeeping at the international level, should be supported.”
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Postby Bananaistan » Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:24 am

Kenmoria wrote:Ambassador Fortier stands to speak. “Seeing as this proposal has been submitted, I will declare my support for it. There is no reason to oppose a measure to restrain the force of the police. This force is, in most countries, a tool of oppression used to maintain systematic injustice. Any removal of its capacity for violence, ideally in favour of a capacity for peacekeeping at the international level, should be supported.”


"See here explicitly stated what the war party wishes to achieve. The declawing of all domestic security forces so that they can be abolished and drafted into so called WA peacekeeping forces. No doubt when your own nation descends into chaos due to the WA mandating that your police can't police and your soldiers can't soldier, then the "benevolent" WArmy will have to step in. Thus dies democracy and freedom. We urge all right thinking people to rise up and oppose this WA imperialism."
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:41 am

Smith: The position of all members of the Tinhamptonian delegation on the International Enforcement Commission and similar bodies is well-known. Our proposal has no relation to them.

OOC note to self: this proposal reached quorum at 1414 GMT today with Lucanie's approval (approval #62)
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Postby Simone Republic » Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:50 pm

Kenmoria wrote:Ambassador Fortier stands to speak. “Seeing as this proposal has been submitted, I will declare my support for it. There is no reason to oppose a measure to restrain the force of the police. This force is, in most countries, a tool of oppression used to maintain systematic injustice. Any removal of its capacity for violence, ideally in favour of a capacity for peacekeeping at the international level, should be supported.”


RNT isn't going to cover this well. On the one hand, some countries (ahem, the US in particular, the UK in the 1970s and 1980s) were well known for the brutality of their police. Some European countries as well. And those nations are reasonable.

And some countries with pretty high crime rates and middle income status don't really have a choice given resources constraints or the dominance of gangs. It really depends on the crime situation in the country and a one-size fits all approach probably won't work.
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Postby The Ice States » Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:57 pm

The last clause should end with a period; otherwise support as written.
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:21 pm

The Ice States wrote:The last clause should end with a period; otherwise support as written.

This was corrected in the submitted version. :P
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Postby The Ice States » Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:40 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
The Ice States wrote:The last clause should end with a period; otherwise support as written.

This was corrected in the submitted version. :P

Would it be possible for the OP to be updated to reflect this and its submitted status?
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Postby Fachumonn » Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:38 am

The Ice States wrote:The last clause should end with a period; otherwise support as written.

Here we go again with commas vs full stops... 8)
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Postby The Ice States » Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:12 am

Fachumonn wrote:
The Ice States wrote:The last clause should end with a period; otherwise support as written.

Here we go again with commas vs full stops... 8)

I mean, it's a basic grammar rule to end sentences with a period. :p
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Postby Refuge Isle » Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:06 pm

Now at vote

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Postby Chineva » Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:55 pm

Brenlauden von Mollweiss-Hemsburg-Merinthia, the Representative of Chineva says "This is certainly a caude to support, the banning of excessive force by the police shall ensure the liberty of the citizen. This also makes it much harder for dictators to oppress their people"

"This also helps to lessen crime caused by the desirr for revenge", he added.

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Postby Vurk » Tue Apr 09, 2024 1:23 am

As another "new" Vurk representative at the General Assembly opens the official letter from the Foreign Ministry of The Republic of Vurk, most can see how discontinuous Vurkian positions are. Nevertheless, the young bureaucrat stands up first and starts with a confident voice:

"Dear World Assembly Delegates,

As the Foreign Ministry of The Republic of Vurk, we have requested permission to share our opinions with valuable members of the World Assembly. Before continuing, we point out this important point: This is not an opinion of our region or any other region. This is the official opinion of The Republic of Vurk."

Then he opens the letter with ease to read the official opinion of The Republic of Vurk:

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From the Foreign Ministry of The Republic of Vurk,


Believing that term of Law Enforcement Officers (LEO) can be applied very wide variety of entities such as police for, millitary, national guard, gendarme; this could leave us and many countries in difficulty for taking an emergency actions. Far-right or/and far-left or/and any other groups of extremists who are to delegitimaze or/and harm the country they are reside, may start an armed internal conflict and terrorism by holding of many individuals. If we say also soldiers are LEOs, then it will definitely became unpractical to actively counter threats like this. Meanwhile we believe in good faith, this resolution made not for such wide crimes and turmoil, if Police Accountability Act is going to be accepted, it will be very exploitable by any time in future. Such as, giving reason to intervene one of WA member state acted againist this resolution, even if the intent was to maintain internal order. Though, we don't oppose all of external intervention; there are several other ways to justify interventions or offering any other accountability if it is rightful.

Recognising that resolutions must be more focused goals and results, mandating carry of less-than-lethal items, worn body-cameras and such other details would make some domestic problems more complex to solve. Some countries' police force should be given more free roam to act what way best it fits, same time, other countries' police force should be overseen by internal and/or external entities. While educating and training LEOs to behave accordingly to basic sapien rights and dignity, it is a fact that police force and other offical military or offical para-military entities must have autonomy in different situations. Otherwise, there will be always risk of criminals exploiting Police Accountability Act when it was rationally best choice one is againist Police Accountability Act. Rather than discussing these kind of dilemmas and uncertainties, the Republic of Vurk recognises adopting basic rights, basic ethics and common sense when building domestic law enforcement system, is far more superior and practical then such a generalised system.


Hereby, The Republic of Vurk rejects 'Police Accountability Act'

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Postby Genfernation » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:41 am

The Representative of the Commonwealth of Genfernation offers this comment:

"The Commonwealth currently has an insignificant crime rate. An important reason is our strong and effective policing. We are loathe to agree to anything that puts our public safety in question. We therefore will vote against this proposal. Furthemore, if it passes, we will be forced to withdraw from this body. As much as we value international cooperation, the safety of our citizens comes first."

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Postby Uhvet » Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:55 pm

Foreign Relations Minister Gerry Kansa of the Commonwealth of Uhvet offers comment:

''Uhvet will be unable to support this bill and urges other nation to vote against it.
This bill is unsubstantial and undermines the work of national law enforcement in every nation. Furthermore, Tinhampton itself practically has no law enforcement, with national funding being almost non existent.
Therefore it is hypocritical for them to push a bill that will have no effect on their own nation and on something they cannot understand/ have no jurisdiction over.''
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Postby LeasI » Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:20 pm

Leasi supports this concept, but we have a two main problems with it.

The wording "nor have any of their recordings deleted unless they have been backed up in a secure third location," as this would require us to keep records of officers standing around, and maintain those records for the rest of eternity. That would be expensive and inefficient. In addition, just mandating the use of body cameras could cause struggles for poorer nations that may already be struggling just to feed their populace. If not having body cameras is now illegal, their law enforcement system may just collapse due to the increased expense.
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I wish Simone's crap was this unpopular.
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Yelda wrote:I wish Simone's crap was this unpopular.


Thank you.
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Postby Altond Maw » Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:35 am

A representative of Altond Maw stands to speak,

"The people of Altond Maw value fair and ethical treatment to citizens from all levels of government authority, and appreciates the efforts put forward by this submission..

However, Altond Maw is also a proud Republic which strives to uphold it's own constitutional values, and we believe our internal policies have been very effective in reducing crime while keeping the public safe from harm. We believe that independent states should be entrusted to govern themselves by their own ethical guidelines.

Altond Maw cannot support this bill and will vote Against.

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Postby Fire Islands » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:04 am

Esteemed fellow nations,

The Fire Islands applauds and supports the legislation at vote's attempt to reduce the frequency and alleviate the impact of incidents of brutality at the hands of law enforcement.

We have certainly taken steps aligned with the resolution's underlying purpose ourselves in the spirit of safeguarding our population's civic rights as well as their personal safety.

In this particular instance, however, we believe this piece of legislation fundamentally ignores the vast plurality of cultures, historical backgrounds, and space-time continua that make up our World Assembly.

The problematization of the uses of force at the hands of law enforcement is a modern issue, and legislating from that stance will undoubtedly have undesired effects on nations that choose to inhabit a different frame of time to ours, or that, for cultural and historical reasons, may not desire to legislate in this direction.

Therefore, while we reiterate our alignment with the proposal's intent, we believe that we cannot support it in its current form and have decided to vote against it.

As always, we remain open to dialogue in regard to this resolution or any other similarly aligned proposal.

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Simone Republic wrote:
Yelda wrote:I wish Simone's crap was this unpopular.


Thank you.


You're welcome.

At least you realized it was a compliment, instead of running and reporting me like some people.
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Postby Kaltovar » Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:52 am

Suggested amendment:

"the use of "excessive force" by a LEO against a person as the use by that LEO of significantly more force than is necessary in the situation to restrain and subsequently detain that person, to protect themselves from a physical attack (or threat thereof) by that person, or otherwise in the course of carrying out a routine action such as a body search against that person,:"

Should be changed to

"the use of "excessive force" by a LEO against a person as the use by that LEO of significantly more force than is necessary in the situation to restrain and subsequently detain that person, to protect themselves or another from a physical attack (or threat thereof) by that person, or otherwise in the course of carrying out a routine action such as a body search against that person,:"

The duty of Law Enforcement is to protect the public, after all.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:58 am

What proposals say cannot be changed at the voting stage. Also I don't see the need to use disproportionate force to protect other, or unrelated, people from harm; if anything that would allow the use of such force in arrest.
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