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Postby Simone Republic » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:11 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
The Ice States wrote:

Your petty gotchyas are nothing but that, petty. Please discontinue them.


I apologise for providing context on the reasons why someone would opt to repeal before replacing. I won't do it again.


It was the correct context. No need to apologise.

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The Ice States wrote:I apologise for not having noticed this, given how quickly this was drafted and not being in the original draft I reviewed. However I would very strongly disagree with the final argument. If the public interest clause really is that exploitable, the "refraining from prosecuting a case" exception (which explicitly falls under the test) would allow for "police discretion in enforcing minor offences". Even if it isn't that exploitable (I don't think it is), the public has a rather clear interest against unnecessary arrests, so member nations would have a solid argument for allowing such discretion.

We would observe that an arrest made to duly enforce an enacted law could hardly be deemed "unnecessary." While the public has an interest in proper allocation of law enforcement resources, surely it can never "outweigh the public's interest in accountability under the law" for law enforcement to ignore crimes being committed in front of them unless they are actively engaged in clearing a greater crime?

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[OOC: I mentioned jaywalking, incidentally, because California recently decriminalized it because of selective and racially-biased enforcement. I'm not completely opposed to saying that WA members just can't have that kind of minor offense, but ... you'd probably be asking for, like, everybody to implement automated traffic enforcement which probably merits its own discussion.]


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Postby The Ice States » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:16 am

Goobergunchia wrote:
The Ice States wrote:I apologise for not having noticed this, given how quickly this was drafted and not being in the original draft I reviewed. However I would very strongly disagree with the final argument. If the public interest clause really is that exploitable, the "refraining from prosecuting a case" exception (which explicitly falls under the test) would allow for "police discretion in enforcing minor offences". Even if it isn't that exploitable (I don't think it is), the public has a rather clear interest against unnecessary arrests, so member nations would have a solid argument for allowing such discretion.

We would observe that an arrest made to duly enforce an enacted law could hardly be deemed "unnecessary." While the public has an interest in proper allocation of law enforcement resources, surely it can never "outweigh the public's interest in accountability under the law" for law enforcement to ignore crimes being committed in front of them unless they are actively engaged in clearing a greater crime?

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[OOC: I mentioned jaywalking, incidentally, because California recently decriminalized it because of selective and racially-biased enforcement. I'm not completely opposed to saying that WA members just can't have that kind of minor offense, but ... you'd probably be asking for, like, everybody to implement automated traffic enforcement which probably merits its own discussion.]

Ooc: My post was in fact Ooc, but I'll be replying Ic anyway.

"The repeal directly asserts that the provision results in 'unnecessary arrests', so if anything arguing that no arrests are truly 'unnecessary' is an argument against the repeal as written."

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Postby Witchcraft and Sorcery » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:28 am

Yesterday I received a telegram from Kenmoria with a request to approve this, and though I have not done so I have been convinced of the need to repeal the target resolution.

We've never sent a delegation to the GA chambers until now, though as of our recent ascension to a Delegacy that controls 90+ votes it was probably inevitable that we would start doing so at some point.

Essentially, this resolution and the complicated history of equality under the law in this body represent our core problem with the current state of the GA extremely well. The proposals that we continually see on being rubberstamped on the voting floor are nothing more than re-hashes of previous legislation, reworded slightly to avoid being repealed on the same technicality the last one was. This is troubling; as an outsider nation that does not actively involve itself in the minutiae of the General Assembly, we don't always pick up on these technicalities nor do we believe that such small details are justification for a repeal. All that we see in the continued rubber-stamping of such legislation is the same laws being enacted in our nations, with virtually the same effects to our national statistics, and the only change being that a different nation got a badge for writing on (or repealing) that legislation. I guess what I'm here to say is that we are frustrated with seeing legislation on this subject continuously in the voting chamber with constant repealing and replacing.

I support the repeal in concept because Kenmoria has convinced me that it is possible to do so from a novel angle that does not fall into the same traps as previous legislation. I would also, generally, encourage the General Assembly to focus its efforts on novel legislation and as-yet-unexplored topics of interest as opposed to continuously repealing and replacing legislation on technicalities.

Additionally, I don't really believe this resolution does a good enough job of making a case for itself. This is also a general problem I and previous ambassadors have had with the GA: argumentation generally feels weak across this chamber. We'd love to see proposals that can stand on their own as opposed to needing paragraphs of speeches from the authors explaining their necessity. This would really help a GA outsider who, once again, does not read debates, to understand the necessity of such legislation.

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Postby Merni » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:05 am

OOC.
Witchcraft and Sorcery wrote:Essentially, this resolution and the complicated history of equality under the law in this body represent our core problem with the current state of the GA extremely well. The proposals that we continually see on being rubberstamped on the voting floor are nothing more than re-hashes of previous legislation, reworded slightly to avoid being repealed on the same technicality the last one was. This is troubling; as an outsider nation that does not actively involve itself in the minutiae of the General Assembly, we don't always pick up on these technicalities nor do we believe that such small details are justification for a repeal. All that we see in the continued rubber-stamping of such legislation is the same laws being enacted in our nations, with virtually the same effects to our national statistics, and the only change being that a different nation got a badge for writing on (or repealing) that legislation. I guess what I'm here to say is that we are frustrated with seeing legislation on this subject continuously in the voting chamber with constant repealing and replacing.

In any realistic legislature, amendment of existing law would be possible. It's also impossible to ignore that RL legislatures have many legal experts, drafters, etc. to review bills for possible flaws and loopholes; RL legislatures also have much more ability to write in specific definitions and particular procedures while legislating for a single, somewhat homogeneous, nation, than the GA does while legislating for an entire multiverse. The lack of amendments in the GA makes it necessary to repeal and replace to fix minor flaws. The question then is which is the lesser evil: having a flawed piece of law, or re-legislating on the same issue? There cannot be (in my opinion) a definite answer to that question; it depends on each particular case. (For instance, as I have argued earlier in this thread, I believe that repeal-and-replace is not necessary in this case.)
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Postby Witchcraft and Sorcery » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:18 am

ooc: that doesn’t move the needle for me mainly because the proposed “amendments” are usually nothing more than technicalities contrived for the purpose of repealing the law rather than actual problems with the law that necessitate a repeal. My problem, I guess, is that the actual threshold for a repeal is so incredibly low it might as well not exist. The vast majority of legislation is poorly argued and the reasons to repeal are contrived hypotheticals at best.

There’s no (or minimal) functional difference between the repeal and proposed replacement most of the time. I appreciated the discussion with Kenmoria because they actually seemed to acknowledge this.

What I want to see in general from the GA is better writing and argumentation. I find myself opposing the vast majority of bills simply on weak arguments.


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Postby Socalist Republic Of Mercenaries » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:00 pm

I love how we finally get something ever-so-slightly resembling the UHDR and we instantly repeal it :rofl: I love nationstates xd
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:26 pm

Socalist Republic Of Mercenaries wrote:I love how we finally get something ever-so-slightly resembling the UHDR and we instantly repeal it :rofl: I love nationstates xd

(OOC: The resolution most mirroring the UNDHR is arguably GA #035, The Charter of Civil Rights, available here. With that said, the actual UNDHR would never pass in the NationStates General Assembly. Nations here are far too fond of their aliens to support such humanocentric language.)
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Postby The Ice States » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:39 pm

Bump.
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Postby Simone Republic » Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:13 pm

Witchcraft and Sorcery wrote:Yesterday I received a telegram from Kenmoria with a request to approve this, and though I have not done so I have been convinced of the need to repeal the target resolution.

*snip*

Additionally, I don't really believe this resolution does a good enough job of making a case for itself. This is also a general problem I and previous ambassadors have had with the GA: argumentation generally feels weak across this chamber. We'd love to see proposals that can stand on their own as opposed to needing paragraphs of speeches from the authors explaining their necessity. This would really help a GA outsider who, once again, does not read debates, to understand the necessity of such legislation.

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Postby Socalist Republic Of Mercenaries » Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:55 am

damn this resolution is getting shot down :rofl:
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:43 pm

Ambassador Fortier begins to hand copies of a printed document to the various delegations around the room. “Your Excellencies, I ask that you read this analysis of the repeal, which presents in an accessible manner why the targeted resolution is too flawed to be allowed to stand. Any honoured delegation that cares for equality of the law being truly achieved, or for member-nations having any degree of flexibility in enforcing obsolete or trivial offences, ought to be voting in favour of this repeal.”
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Postby The Ice States » Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:52 pm

Kenmoria wrote:Ambassador Fortier begins to hand copies of a printed document to the various delegations around the room. “Your Excellencies, I ask that you read this analysis of the repeal, which presents in an accessible manner why the targeted resolution is too flawed to be allowed to stand. Any honoured delegation that cares for equality of the law being truly achieved, or for member-nations having any degree of flexibility in enforcing obsolete or trivial offences, ought to be voting in favour of this repeal.”

"We strongly object to the second paragraph of the overview in particular. There is indeed no explicit exception for minor crimes; but the provision in 2a does have a very clear such effect. The clause does not explicitly state what category of actions it applies to; rather, it cites various explicit examples, namely "commutations and pardons" and "refraining from prosecuting a case", and applies to those and like acts. This would rather colourably include not conducting an investigation or arrest for a case."

"The public does have a rather obvious interest for the efficient allocation of law enforcement resources; which does both 'outweigh the public's interest in accountability under the law' and 'clearly necessitate' indeed efficiently allocating law enforcement resources. Your own analysis also speaks of the importance of public trust in the police, which is harmed by routine arrests for minor crimes; further amplifying the argument for such exceptions being in the 'public interest'."

"This is amplified by this repeal explicitly arguing that the 'public interest' test is too open to abuse; if it truly was, then a member nation could simply use the same provision to avoid having to conduct arrests or prosecutions for minor crimes. The argument is thus not only false, but contradictory with the other arguments in the repeal."

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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:13 pm

The Roman Republic feels the term "public interest" is a term that is incapable of singular, universal definition across time, cultures, and circumstances. As such we believe the arguments presented are unpersuasive. The political branches of a member state's remain to best positioned to determine what is the in the interest of the public within the society's social mores, customs, and needs.

We would happily see a repeal of the target resolution on grounds of its interference in the purely internal affairs of member states, but must vote against this pathetic attempt at arguing this assembly should engage in further meddling.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:32 pm

The Ice States wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:Ambassador Fortier begins to hand copies of a printed document to the various delegations around the room. “Your Excellencies, I ask that you read this analysis of the repeal, which presents in an accessible manner why the targeted resolution is too flawed to be allowed to stand. Any honoured delegation that cares for equality of the law being truly achieved, or for member-nations having any degree of flexibility in enforcing obsolete or trivial offences, ought to be voting in favour of this repeal.”

"We strongly object to the second paragraph of the overview in particular. There is indeed no explicit exception for minor crimes; but the provision in 2a does have a very clear such effect. The clause does not explicitly state what category of actions it applies to; rather, it cites various explicit examples, namely "commutations and pardons" and "refraining from prosecuting a case", and applies to those and like acts. This would rather colourably include not conducting an investigation or arrest for a case."

"The public does have a rather obvious interest for the efficient allocation of law enforcement resources; which does both 'outweigh the public's interest in accountability under the law' and 'clearly necessitate' indeed efficiently allocating law enforcement resources. Your own analysis also speaks of the importance of public trust in the police, which is harmed by routine arrests for minor crimes; further amplifying the argument for such exceptions being in the 'public interest'."

"This is amplified by this repeal explicitly arguing that the 'public interest' test is too open to abuse; if it truly was, then a member nation could simply use the same provision to avoid having to conduct arrests or prosecutions for minor crimes. The argument is thus not only false, but contradictory with the other arguments in the repeal."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-COlleti,
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Ambassador Fortier stands to speak. “Perhaps it ought to have been clearer that the two arguments are alternates. The test for something being demonstrably in the public interest is rather too lax, given that they are trivially overridden by legislative declaration or the non-justiciable declaration of a qualified person. However, for those jurisdictions who have judicial rather than legislative supremacy and which have a judicature that can validly rule on the exercise of any delegated power, the rule potentially has the converse problem. Actually demonstrating, definitively, that something is in the public interest is rather difficult indeed, given how nebulous the public interest. For those member-nations unable to benefit from the loophole, this is rather the problem.”
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Postby The Ice States » Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:36 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
The Ice States wrote:"We strongly object to the second paragraph of the overview in particular. There is indeed no explicit exception for minor crimes; but the provision in 2a does have a very clear such effect. The clause does not explicitly state what category of actions it applies to; rather, it cites various explicit examples, namely "commutations and pardons" and "refraining from prosecuting a case", and applies to those and like acts. This would rather colourably include not conducting an investigation or arrest for a case."

"The public does have a rather obvious interest for the efficient allocation of law enforcement resources; which does both 'outweigh the public's interest in accountability under the law' and 'clearly necessitate' indeed efficiently allocating law enforcement resources. Your own analysis also speaks of the importance of public trust in the police, which is harmed by routine arrests for minor crimes; further amplifying the argument for such exceptions being in the 'public interest'."

"This is amplified by this repeal explicitly arguing that the 'public interest' test is too open to abuse; if it truly was, then a member nation could simply use the same provision to avoid having to conduct arrests or prosecutions for minor crimes. The argument is thus not only false, but contradictory with the other arguments in the repeal."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-COlleti,
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The Communal Union of the Ice States.

Ambassador Fortier stands to speak. “Perhaps it ought to have been clearer that the two arguments are alternates. The test for something being demonstrably in the public interest is rather too lax, given that they are trivially overridden by legislative declaration or the non-justiciable declaration of a qualified person. However, for those jurisdictions who have judicial rather than legislative supremacy and which have a judicature that can validly rule on the exercise of any delegated power, the rule potentially has the converse problem. Actually demonstrating, definitively, that something is in the public interest is rather difficult indeed, given how nebulous the public interest. For those member-nations unable to benefit from the loophole, this is rather the problem.”

"In that case, we find it is in fact rather easy to argue that it is meets the test not to enforce laws against minor offences. Trust in law enforcement is reasonably a 'public interest' which 'outweighs the public's interest in accountability under the law' and 'clearly necessitates' not enforcing laws against minor offences; the same argument applies to the public's interest in law enforcement having resources available for more major offences, which also both 'outweighs the public's interest in accountability under the law' and 'clearly necessitates' not wasting law enforcement resources on trivial offences."

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Postby Goobergunchia » Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:53 pm

The Ice States wrote:Your own analysis also speaks of the importance of public trust in the police, which is harmed by routine arrests for minor crimes; further amplifying the argument for such exceptions being in the 'public interest'."

Who does the ambassador from the Ice States suggest defines the public interest? In the Moderately Liberal Unitary Republic, the people elect representatives to their nation's Low and High Councils to enact laws. Is that not a true expression by the public of what they deem to be in their interests? We are unaware of any section of our Penal Code that states that it is optional. I would certainly not trust a law enforcement officer who felt their judgment superior to that of the duly elected government.

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Postby The Ice States » Mon Apr 24, 2023 7:03 pm

Goobergunchia wrote:
The Ice States wrote:Your own analysis also speaks of the importance of public trust in the police, which is harmed by routine arrests for minor crimes; further amplifying the argument for such exceptions being in the 'public interest'."

Who does the ambassador from the Ice States suggest defines the public interest? In the Moderately Liberal Unitary Republic, the people elect representatives to their nation's Low and High Councils to enact laws. Is that not a true expression by the public of what they deem to be in their interests? We are unaware of any section of our Penal Code that states that it is optional. I would certainly not trust a law enforcement officer who felt their judgment superior to that of the duly elected government.

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Postby Straona » Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:22 am

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Postby The Ice States » Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:00 pm

"Repeal "Legal Equality Act"" was defeated 10,910 votes to 4,951.


For: 4,951: Kethania (713), Altys (550), Overthinkers (532), Imperium Anglorum (434), Minskiev (249), Malphe II (230), Sylh Alanor (227), Vancouvia (77), Romanovskaya (42), Octal (30), Sanctaria (27), NewTexas (22), Cruciland (20), Densaner (17), Baloo Kingdom (14), Fairylandia (12), Isaris (12), Hajirah (11), The Bolivian Socialist Falange (10), Haltoria (9), Phydios (8), Freependence (7), Marxosia (7), Chodean Kal (7), Madrocea (7), Brocklandia (7), The Immortal Fire Nation (6), Zhanzheng de Guang (6), Edmundian Pluto (6), Eichanstein (6), Maynardstan (6), Charkiv (5), Chap Ven (5), Ulissebuerg (5), The Palentine (5), Thee Canadian (5), Gatchina (4), Joeyist Union (4), United Democratia (4), Venova (4), The Soviet state of Svalbard (4), Arkings (4), ColdHeartedBastards (4), Alcala (4), Wobbegong (4), Natzinville (4), Papacy Birds (4), Kovistanka (4), Lesser Newlandia (4), Holy Anderele (4), Xostaria (3), Quing Nara (3), The Kingdom of New Riverland (3), United Dependencies (3), Rogaita (3), Matatic and The Principality of Surkis (3), Sarzville (3), Kleinekatzen (3), Januus (3), Williby (3), Crawlaysia (3), Tricorniolis (3), Outer Sta Therrouro (3), Stonlos (3), The Free Munster League (3), Slythoria (3), Northwesteastland (3), Umbratellus (3), 15th Scottish Highlanders Division (2), Sunjaya (2), Northern Seleucia (2), Kingdom of Aurelia (2), Arlandia and Arzovia (2), The Terren Dominion (2), WaffenBrightonburg (2), NiCrawlosis (2), NLaDOS (2), Adeiatic (2), Weller Centennial (2), Karliat (2), Audaxpericulosum (2), Lower Slobbovia (2), Transsobor (2), The Good Nation Of Americana Christening (2), The Neolithic German Empire (2), Galactic Powers (2), The Rising Aura (2), Smudges Followers (2), Fahran (2), Naughty Slave Girls (2), The Cure (2), PAINFUL DEATHS (2), Deutschsland (2), Making Catgirls Real (2), President Pro Tempore (2), Communo-Slavocia (2), CHAD-EMPIRE- (2), Germanic United States (2), Nouvel Acadie (2), Free Woritanarbio Islands (2), Malvator (2), TheSovietUnion (2), Smart Duds (2), Westphala (2), Lacmhacarh (2), Davidtopia (2), Teracoast (2), and (1,427) individual member nations.

Against: 10,910: Gorundu (1,030), Tepertopia (781), Lenlyvit (313), Fooooooooo (275), Creeperopolis (220), Podria (172), Le Libertia (172), Socialist Platypus (170), Mechanocracy (166), Vinslott (111), South Boston Irishmen (110), I Came I Saw I Dominated (106), The Glorious Hypetrain (103), Deims Kir (102), Ruinenlust (99), Rayekka (97), Witchcraft and Sorcery (92), Staidear (82), New Asden (82), Ramelia (80), Wintermoot (77), Mally Piznoopia (70), Lesser Velutaria (67), Student Loan Debt (67), The Salaxalans (63), New United Common-lands (57), Mikeswill (56), The Litterbox (53), Nulkia (53), Long Live The Henrarchy (50), Aerlion (50), Moukden and Kirin (43), Astrellin (43), Bearded Dragones (39), Kundu (37), Ofiussia (33), The United Dark Republic (32), Sjevre (32), Savonir (31), Draganisia (28), Gideon (27), Orioni 2 (24), Tostandia (24), Middle Ibarthelastorosa (24), The Union of Costa Rica (23), Gran River (23), Oogway (23), Kartof (22), Sudoeste (19), Swiftlandian Peoples Republic (19), East Chimore (17), Olinasha (17), Mlociniakik (15), The United States of Naru (15), Felix Femboi (15), Krevt (14), Malamute (13), Lave Deldederady (13), Kingdom of Englands (13), Marim Grunzy (13), Westbeech (13), Korgonsk (12), Ynys Dywyll (12), The Voltarum (11), The Dying Tree AB3 (11), Flemingisa (11), Tinhampton (11), Rulsolia (10), Lennonia (9), The Scottish Republic (9), Tondoluland (9), Solariia (9), Mark (9), DEMONIC SATAN (9), Grande pudimland (9), Coneiconia (9), Suvmia (8), Siluvia (8), Londoniopol (8), Aura Banitia (8), Rogue River (8), Hydroponic Nation (8), Catlibia (8), Wolfs Brigade (8), The Spanish Coast (7), Lazy valley (7), Reino do Brazil (7), New Roheau Gallis (7), OmegaShenron (7), Davetopolis (7), Franche Comte (7), Bahian (7), Xinhao (7), Demonos (6), Orca and Narwhal (6), Vegaga (6), New Delfos (6), Mondworth (6), Merulla (6), Roznepal (6), Romancatholicism (6), Phenste (6), The Hurricane (6), Heneraton (6), Wadelhelpia (6), The United Arab Democracy (6), Meercovo (6), The Grand Kingdom of Elsweyr (6), Fannland (5), Phoenicia- (5), South Sulphur (5), Toriniall (5), Haaton Prime (5), Crab (5), -Edinburgh- (5), Volgia (5), Pax Victoria (5), Britcan (5), Angladen (5), Otision (5), Union of Soviet State Republics (5), Brankenspiel (5), The Ruby Ranch Republic (5), Santa Thereza (5), GoldSilver918 (5), Rookerand (5), Kartunesia (5), Olfasgesvet (5), Monaru Kharands (5), Aliro (4), Weirdiron (4), Great Libertona (4), The 2nd Facepunch Republic (4), Comunist Land1 (4), The Mithril City (4), Maritata (4), Zhensheng Xue (4), Astronia (4), Wabacha (4), Nearly Finland (4), The Perfect Utopian Society (4), Voxija (4), Free Scandanavia (4), The Diamond Isles (4), Bernelia (4), North Portu (4), Nytocho (4), Vharnes (4), Tulamanapasatakalaha (4), Reactorland (4), Providemist Seclusa (4), New Furllumbia (4), Durgonia (4), Astreopa (4), Kylarnatia (4), Golanchia (3), Imperial Felchah (3), Terosia (3), Iranic States (3), Lefona (3), Flor-Fina (3), Mancel Rictor (3), Jori Basu (3), Mini Orchs (3), Stata Pontificia (3), Stianeth Narcisse (3), URANIUMni (3), Lycantine (3), Imperial Holia Myzkaaria (3), Arazian (3), Banotte (3), Ottoman Realm (3), Zwaarschoot (3), Radio TV Solutions (3), Delmond (3), The Campbell Nation (3), The 45 percent of pride republic (3), Rainbowstaria (3), Herby (3), Maltitalerland (3), Nelson Canada (3), Willtechia (3), 11 Templar Knights (3), Island of Avalon (3), New Technocratic Prussia (3), The Isles of Bermuda (3), People freedom China (3), The Autumn (3), The United States of Azania (3), Indorne (3), De Verenigde Provincies Van Nederland (3), Republic of Libertarian Forces (3), The Regalian Underland (3), Technoco (3), United Newpearl (3), The guuu (3), Uvumbuzia (3), Pirates and Buccaneers (3), The Candy Of Bottles (3), Kotat (3), Mission San Jose (3), Safana (3), Duhhhmurica (2), 0cala (2), Sardon (2), Lehqhbraot (2), His Excellency (2), DoubleCross (2), Austrailia and New Zeailand (2), Almerdonia (2), Toasteds (2), Experience Eternal (2), United Green Aliens (2), The Cienordia (2), Slices Right (2), Apellidor (2), The Ancient World (2), Gandoor (2), Bungletop (2), Arcerar (2), Kishah (2), One of the North Frontiers (2), Nationalist Yinmen (2), Molson Iceland (2), John Browns Kansas (2), CrossVegas (2), The Australian Communist Empire (2), Kittymerica (2), Ionmana (2), Miraglio (2), Marlandor (2), Boiled Eggs (2), Etoile Arcture (2), Potatolandia Nation (2), Ronimbonland (2), Mabanarlan (2), Brazil FS (2), New Hio (2), Pottli (2), Polenika (2), Remubris (2), Hetairaea (2), Ard alAkhua (2), Czechostan (2), Djeeta (2), Kithreld Ard (2), Seanat (2), Quiculin (2), Funktropolis (2), Akiniad (2), Konia Astione (2), The Gamers of Roblox (2), Dogmenland (2), Reapertorium (2), Urishis (2), LiberumPatria (2), Veneke (2), The Omsk state (2), Dytarma (2), Silver-Tree (2), Copital (2), Land of the Person (2), Kieora (2), Ajams (2), North Mack (2), Gandhara (2), Zombiedolphins (2), Rodelnia (2), Communist bread (2), Glittering Green (2), Chemgota (2), Oktotheio (2), Free Capitalist Canada (2), Ardaea (2), The Imperial Kaiser of Greater Germany (2), The Kingdom of the Kekistan State (2), Ayodhyadesha (2), Yaketere (2), NinjitsUtopia (2), Erthy (2), Andibaz (2), Caliawii (2), The Akasha Colony (2), Stunned Mann (2), Pogaria (2), Eon Republic (2), Sedgistan (2), Xeknos (2), Serentide (2), Kolloquia (2), Cyrodiilya (2), Great Agrosa (2), Geckotania (2), Vulxo (2), Pandyssia (2), The Kold (2), Char Aznable Neo Zeon (2), Theoscafia (2), United British force (2), Lotieltan (2), Maroiogogistan (2), Lysset (2), Whouppenburg (2), Sciandra (2), Charliston (2), Dolphinicus (2), Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z (2), Chairman Cities (2), Mali-Sahel-Cabo Verde-Guinea (2), and (4,249) individual member nations.
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Postby Simone Republic » Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:11 pm

The Ice States wrote:
"Repeal "Legal Equality Act"" was defeated 10,910 votes to 4,951.


For: 4,951: Kethania (713), Altys (550), Overthinkers (532), Imperium Anglorum (434), Minskiev (249), Malphe II (230), Sylh Alanor (227), Vancouvia (77), Romanovskaya (42), Octal (30), Sanctaria (27), NewTexas (22), Cruciland (20), Densaner (17), Baloo Kingdom (14), Fairylandia (12), Isaris (12), Hajirah (11), The Bolivian Socialist Falange (10), Haltoria (9), Phydios (8), Freependence (7), Marxosia (7), Chodean Kal (7), Madrocea (7), Brocklandia (7), The Immortal Fire Nation (6), Zhanzheng de Guang (6), Edmundian Pluto (6), Eichanstein (6), Maynardstan (6), Charkiv (5), Chap Ven (5), Ulissebuerg (5), The Palentine (5), Thee Canadian (5), Gatchina (4), Joeyist Union (4), United Democratia (4), Venova (4), The Soviet state of Svalbard (4), Arkings (4), ColdHeartedBastards (4), Alcala (4), Wobbegong (4), Natzinville (4), Papacy Birds (4), Kovistanka (4), Lesser Newlandia (4), Holy Anderele (4), Xostaria (3), Quing Nara (3), The Kingdom of New Riverland (3), United Dependencies (3), Rogaita (3), Matatic and The Principality of Surkis (3), Sarzville (3), Kleinekatzen (3), Januus (3), Williby (3), Crawlaysia (3), Tricorniolis (3), Outer Sta Therrouro (3), Stonlos (3), The Free Munster League (3), Slythoria (3), Northwesteastland (3), Umbratellus (3), 15th Scottish Highlanders Division (2), Sunjaya (2), Northern Seleucia (2), Kingdom of Aurelia (2), Arlandia and Arzovia (2), The Terren Dominion (2), WaffenBrightonburg (2), NiCrawlosis (2), NLaDOS (2), Adeiatic (2), Weller Centennial (2), Karliat (2), Audaxpericulosum (2), Lower Slobbovia (2), Transsobor (2), The Good Nation Of Americana Christening (2), The Neolithic German Empire (2), Galactic Powers (2), The Rising Aura (2), Smudges Followers (2), Fahran (2), Naughty Slave Girls (2), The Cure (2), PAINFUL DEATHS (2), Deutschsland (2), Making Catgirls Real (2), President Pro Tempore (2), Communo-Slavocia (2), CHAD-EMPIRE- (2), Germanic United States (2), Nouvel Acadie (2), Free Woritanarbio Islands (2), Malvator (2), TheSovietUnion (2), Smart Duds (2), Westphala (2), Lacmhacarh (2), Davidtopia (2), Teracoast (2), and (1,427) individual member nations.

Against: 10,910: Gorundu (1,030), Tepertopia (781), Lenlyvit (313), Fooooooooo (275), Creeperopolis (220), Podria (172), Le Libertia (172), Socialist Platypus (170), Mechanocracy (166), Vinslott (111), South Boston Irishmen (110), I Came I Saw I Dominated (106), The Glorious Hypetrain (103), Deims Kir (102), Ruinenlust (99), Rayekka (97), Witchcraft and Sorcery (92), Staidear (82), New Asden (82), Ramelia (80), Wintermoot (77), Mally Piznoopia (70), Lesser Velutaria (67), Student Loan Debt (67), The Salaxalans (63), New United Common-lands (57), Mikeswill (56), The Litterbox (53), Nulkia (53), Long Live The Henrarchy (50), Aerlion (50), Moukden and Kirin (43), Astrellin (43), Bearded Dragones (39), Kundu (37), Ofiussia (33), The United Dark Republic (32), Sjevre (32), Savonir (31), Draganisia (28), Gideon (27), Orioni 2 (24), Tostandia (24), Middle Ibarthelastorosa (24), The Union of Costa Rica (23), Gran River (23), Oogway (23), Kartof (22), Sudoeste (19), Swiftlandian Peoples Republic (19), East Chimore (17), Olinasha (17), Mlociniakik (15), The United States of Naru (15), Felix Femboi (15), Krevt (14), Malamute (13), Lave Deldederady (13), Kingdom of Englands (13), Marim Grunzy (13), Westbeech (13), Korgonsk (12), Ynys Dywyll (12), The Voltarum (11), The Dying Tree AB3 (11), Flemingisa (11), Tinhampton (11), Rulsolia (10), Lennonia (9), The Scottish Republic (9), Tondoluland (9), Solariia (9), Mark (9), DEMONIC SATAN (9), Grande pudimland (9), Coneiconia (9), Suvmia (8), Siluvia (8), Londoniopol (8), Aura Banitia (8), Rogue River (8), Hydroponic Nation (8), Catlibia (8), Wolfs Brigade (8), The Spanish Coast (7), Lazy valley (7), Reino do Brazil (7), New Roheau Gallis (7), OmegaShenron (7), Davetopolis (7), Franche Comte (7), Bahian (7), Xinhao (7), Demonos (6), Orca and Narwhal (6), Vegaga (6), New Delfos (6), Mondworth (6), Merulla (6), Roznepal (6), Romancatholicism (6), Phenste (6), The Hurricane (6), Heneraton (6), Wadelhelpia (6), The United Arab Democracy (6), Meercovo (6), The Grand Kingdom of Elsweyr (6), Fannland (5), Phoenicia- (5), South Sulphur (5), Toriniall (5), Haaton Prime (5), Crab (5), -Edinburgh- (5), Volgia (5), Pax Victoria (5), Britcan (5), Angladen (5), Otision (5), Union of Soviet State Republics (5), Brankenspiel (5), The Ruby Ranch Republic (5), Santa Thereza (5), GoldSilver918 (5), Rookerand (5), Kartunesia (5), Olfasgesvet (5), Monaru Kharands (5), Aliro (4), Weirdiron (4), Great Libertona (4), The 2nd Facepunch Republic (4), Comunist Land1 (4), The Mithril City (4), Maritata (4), Zhensheng Xue (4), Astronia (4), Wabacha (4), Nearly Finland (4), The Perfect Utopian Society (4), Voxija (4), Free Scandanavia (4), The Diamond Isles (4), Bernelia (4), North Portu (4), Nytocho (4), Vharnes (4), Tulamanapasatakalaha (4), Reactorland (4), Providemist Seclusa (4), New Furllumbia (4), Durgonia (4), Astreopa (4), Kylarnatia (4), Golanchia (3), Imperial Felchah (3), Terosia (3), Iranic States (3), Lefona (3), Flor-Fina (3), Mancel Rictor (3), Jori Basu (3), Mini Orchs (3), Stata Pontificia (3), Stianeth Narcisse (3), URANIUMni (3), Lycantine (3), Imperial Holia Myzkaaria (3), Arazian (3), Banotte (3), Ottoman Realm (3), Zwaarschoot (3), Radio TV Solutions (3), Delmond (3), The Campbell Nation (3), The 45 percent of pride republic (3), Rainbowstaria (3), Herby (3), Maltitalerland (3), Nelson Canada (3), Willtechia (3), 11 Templar Knights (3), Island of Avalon (3), New Technocratic Prussia (3), The Isles of Bermuda (3), People freedom China (3), The Autumn (3), The United States of Azania (3), Indorne (3), De Verenigde Provincies Van Nederland (3), Republic of Libertarian Forces (3), The Regalian Underland (3), Technoco (3), United Newpearl (3), The guuu (3), Uvumbuzia (3), Pirates and Buccaneers (3), The Candy Of Bottles (3), Kotat (3), Mission San Jose (3), Safana (3), Duhhhmurica (2), 0cala (2), Sardon (2), Lehqhbraot (2), His Excellency (2), DoubleCross (2), Austrailia and New Zeailand (2), Almerdonia (2), Toasteds (2), Experience Eternal (2), United Green Aliens (2), The Cienordia (2), Slices Right (2), Apellidor (2), The Ancient World (2), Gandoor (2), Bungletop (2), Arcerar (2), Kishah (2), One of the North Frontiers (2), Nationalist Yinmen (2), Molson Iceland (2), John Browns Kansas (2), CrossVegas (2), The Australian Communist Empire (2), Kittymerica (2), Ionmana (2), Miraglio (2), Marlandor (2), Boiled Eggs (2), Etoile Arcture (2), Potatolandia Nation (2), Ronimbonland (2), Mabanarlan (2), Brazil FS (2), New Hio (2), Pottli (2), Polenika (2), Remubris (2), Hetairaea (2), Ard alAkhua (2), Czechostan (2), Djeeta (2), Kithreld Ard (2), Seanat (2), Quiculin (2), Funktropolis (2), Akiniad (2), Konia Astione (2), The Gamers of Roblox (2), Dogmenland (2), Reapertorium (2), Urishis (2), LiberumPatria (2), Veneke (2), The Omsk state (2), Dytarma (2), Silver-Tree (2), Copital (2), Land of the Person (2), Kieora (2), Ajams (2), North Mack (2), Gandhara (2), Zombiedolphins (2), Rodelnia (2), Communist bread (2), Glittering Green (2), Chemgota (2), Oktotheio (2), Free Capitalist Canada (2), Ardaea (2), The Imperial Kaiser of Greater Germany (2), The Kingdom of the Kekistan State (2), Ayodhyadesha (2), Yaketere (2), NinjitsUtopia (2), Erthy (2), Andibaz (2), Caliawii (2), The Akasha Colony (2), Stunned Mann (2), Pogaria (2), Eon Republic (2), Sedgistan (2), Xeknos (2), Serentide (2), Kolloquia (2), Cyrodiilya (2), Great Agrosa (2), Geckotania (2), Vulxo (2), Pandyssia (2), The Kold (2), Char Aznable Neo Zeon (2), Theoscafia (2), United British force (2), Lotieltan (2), Maroiogogistan (2), Lysset (2), Whouppenburg (2), Sciandra (2), Charliston (2), Dolphinicus (2), Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z (2), Chairman Cities (2), Mali-Sahel-Cabo Verde-Guinea (2), and (4,249) individual member nations.


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