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Charusci
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Founded: Jun 18, 2022
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Postby Charusci » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:30 pm

I would support this as is if it went to vote but I'm worried it would not succeed. Perhaps narrowing the focus on breaking up fascist groups might be more palatable.

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Plus Nova Imperii
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Postby Plus Nova Imperii » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:33 pm

So is this proposal saying that you are going to arrest any person that is a Fascist, not just the managers and leaders of a Fascist organization, or am I misreading this proposal?
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Haganham
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Postby Haganham » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:52 pm

The current definition overlooks that a fascist regime may be made up of a minority targeting a racial or religious majority. It's also closer to defining an ethnostate then fascism.
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The Orwell Society
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Postby The Orwell Society » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:28 pm

The draft's definition of fascism isn't necessarily true. Fascism is not not centered around oppression and prejudice against minorities, not at all. Fascism is a form of far-right ideology putting the government in complete control to where they oppress all of their citizens, not just minorities. A nation could give everyone equal rights (not including the government, of course) and still be fascist due to the immense amount of oppression and total control the nation's government has over its citizens.


Once again, I am opposed. I was against the repealing of the ideological ban rule (though I admit it was predominately problematic from the beginning), and this takes advantage of the repeal by outright banning an entire ideology already not permitted by countless previosly-passed resolutions protecting basic human rights and freedoms. That's why I was against the rule change; all the extremely harmful ideologies are already not permitted by WA legislation.

Basically, your entire draft is a stretched out version of "fascism is bad, let's abuse the WA's powers and ban it outright." And article 2c, which bans "fascist propaganda" is a clear and obvious violation of political freedom and freedom of speech, principles that this body holds dear. That, I believe, would severely contradict previously-passed legislation on the topic.

Strongly against.
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Mesogiria
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Postby Mesogiria » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:31 pm

Definitions:
In this resolution, Fascism is an ideology that puts authoritarian and hateful governments over individuals, and in addition asserts the biological superiority of one group of individuals over others;

Fascism, being a hateful ideology, usually maintains hatred and dislike for the following groups:
-Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender individuals (also known as the LGBT+ community);
-Individuals of color (those with different skin colors than individuals in power and who may be minorities);
-Disabled individuals;
-Religious minorities.


What is the intended relationship between these two definitions? The first part seems like a self-contained definition, so what are the examples for as definitions? Are they included as examples of fascist belief, a checklist to be used when determining if a belief system is equivalent to fascism, or would each be considered an independent edition of fascism? Does fascism become acceptable if it is being perpetrated without regard for race-hate, or if it is done by an oppressive religious minority against a more numerous religious majority?

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The Orwell Society
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Postby The Orwell Society » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:38 pm

Mesogiria wrote:Definitions:
In this resolution, Fascism is an ideology that puts authoritarian and hateful governments over individuals, and in addition asserts the biological superiority of one group of individuals over others;

Fascism, being a hateful ideology, usually maintains hatred and dislike for the following groups:
-Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender individuals (also known as the LGBT+ community);
-Individuals of color (those with different skin colors than individuals in power and who may be minorities);
-Disabled individuals;
-Religious minorities.


What is the intended relationship between these two definitions? The first part seems like a self-contained definition, so what are the examples for as definitions? Are they included as examples of fascist belief, a checklist to be used when determining if a belief system is equivalent to fascism, or would each be considered an independent edition of fascism? Does fascism become acceptable if it is being perpetrated without regard for race-hate, or if it is done by an oppressive religious minority against a more numerous religious majority?

I would like to know that as well. This proposal is much better off if the second part of the definition is gone.
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Scarlet Devil Basement
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Postby Scarlet Devil Basement » Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:47 am

I'm not sure how the delegate in my region would respond to this if at all, but as Basement Dweller, I speak for my country when I say there will be no thought policing in Scarlet Devil Basement, and as such, a thought policing proposal such as this would see opposition from the Basement.

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