by US of-A » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:37 pm
by Untecna » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:41 pm
by WayNeacTia » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:43 pm
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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by Tinhampton » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:46 pm
by Wallenburg » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:56 pm
US of-A wrote:it is the unofficial rule that you are supposed to have a group of elite, established WA bureaucrats review your proposals, and make them fit with their preordained worldview.
by Attempted Socialism » Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:02 pm
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by Hulldom » Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:13 pm
by Princess Rainbow Sparkles » Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:43 pm
US of-A wrote:Recently I have gotten some criticism for the proposals that I have rapidly been putting out in the GA. However, as far as I can tell they are not illegal, and should not be illegal. Some critics said that they were "undrafted". Apparently, when putting stuff in the GA, it is the unofficial rule that you are supposed to have a group of elite, established WA bureaucrats review your proposals, and make them fit with their preordained worldview. The WA and its resolutions are headed in one direction and one direction only, and that is the way that they want it too. Well let us fight back. I am not content to let the WA be increasingly radicalized and increasingly distant from a large community of NS players. I already know many people are anti-WA, because the policies of the WA are blatantly at war with their values. They say thay the system is too hard to change, so just opt out. Well, I say no to that. We will fight back, and change the norms expected with the WA. Don't do anything illegal, of course, but make your voice heard. You do not have to go through their proper "forum drafting" where your proposal is subjected to policy changes based on their opinions. The WA shall be an organization for and by the people, where no opinions are deemed "phobic" and suppressed. Let this now be a golden age for the WA!
by US of-A » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:12 pm
by US of-A » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:13 pm
Wallenburg wrote:US of-A wrote:it is the unofficial rule that you are supposed to have a group of elite, established WA bureaucrats review your proposals, and make them fit with their preordained worldview.
Yes. Your review is scheduled for Wednesdat at 3:00. Please remember to wear hard sole shoes and eye protection.
by US of-A » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:15 pm
Attempted Socialism wrote:I'm guessing that you have had a few of your resolutions marked as "illegal", based on your withdrawn resolutions and your post here. Legality is determined by the rules as written. Apart from contradiction (Which requires substantial knowledge of previously passed resolutions) and honest mistake (Which is unfortunately named) they're easy to follow. I don't think it is a good sign that you're already failing to clear the lowest bar, that of mere legality.
Your garbage resolutions are terrible on their own, though, so I am sure you'll have a grand time railing against some WA elite for all your resolutions failing when in reality, it's because you think for 5 second, write a shitty, bad-policy, unpopular, resolution, submit it, and then edit it or not based on whether it is marked illegal by the GenSec, and then your resolution never garners support from anyone except a few dead-end reactionaries without even the slightest sense of quality. If you want to avoid this fate, draft your resolutions here for at least 2-4 weeks and listen to feedback meanwhile. If you want to embrace this fate, all the best of luck.
by Untecna » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:15 pm
US of-A wrote:Well okay, I guess I did go on a bit of a rant, and didn't expect so many people to reply. But I guess my main problem, if I have to simplify it down, is that people say my proposals are terrible because they are too simplistic (they haven't used that word, but I assume that is what they are trying to say). Why not be simplistic? That is what I mean when I say "for and by the comman man". It does not have to be overly complex, bureaucratic language.
Noting the controversial nature of such a subject as euthanasia/assisted suicide,
Appreciative of the reasoning of why people should be able to end their life,
Aware of the honest mistakes and undesirable circumstances and events that may occur due to such a resolution,
Condemning the notion that people have the right to kill themselves and misuse the body and life that have been given to them,
by US of-A » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:25 pm
Tinhampton wrote:Of the five proposals you have put up in recent days:
Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms" hasn't been marked legal or illegal yet (and I support it in principle, provided it and GA#499 are replaced by a resolution which forbids forced abortion while allowing all other forms of abortion - which I'm not seeing here).
Repeal "Access To Euthanasia Services" is legal (and I support it).
Banning Prostitution is likely legal (my fault!) but I wouldn't support the WA banning or legalising it everywhere.
Super Straight Month isn't legal or illegal but Article 3 could/would bankrupt member states. (ANY amount of funding?)
Commend Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is legal but I don't support it.
Your proposals may be poorly argued, but they are mostly - if not entirely - legal anyway.
by Comfed » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:26 pm
US of-A wrote:Tinhampton wrote:Of the five proposals you have put up in recent days:
Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms" hasn't been marked legal or illegal yet (and I support it in principle, provided it and GA#499 are replaced by a resolution which forbids forced abortion while allowing all other forms of abortion - which I'm not seeing here).
Repeal "Access To Euthanasia Services" is legal (and I support it).
Banning Prostitution is likely legal (my fault!) but I wouldn't support the WA banning or legalising it everywhere.
Super Straight Month isn't legal or illegal but Article 3 could/would bankrupt member states. (ANY amount of funding?)
Commend Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is legal but I don't support it.
Your proposals may be poorly argued, but they are mostly - if not entirely - legal anyway.
And I guess that is part of my problem too. Most of mine are (probably) legal, but nobody seems to support them.
by WayNeacTia » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:33 pm
US of-A wrote:Tinhampton wrote:Of the five proposals you have put up in recent days:
Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms" hasn't been marked legal or illegal yet (and I support it in principle, provided it and GA#499 are replaced by a resolution which forbids forced abortion while allowing all other forms of abortion - which I'm not seeing here).
Repeal "Access To Euthanasia Services" is legal (and I support it).
Banning Prostitution is likely legal (my fault!) but I wouldn't support the WA banning or legalising it everywhere.
Super Straight Month isn't legal or illegal but Article 3 could/would bankrupt member states. (ANY amount of funding?)
Commend Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is legal but I don't support it.
Your proposals may be poorly argued, but they are mostly - if not entirely - legal anyway.
And I guess that is part of my problem too. Most of mine are (probably) legal, but nobody seems to support them.
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
wait
by Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:14 pm
by Makko Oko » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:19 pm
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by Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:20 pm
Makko Oko wrote:OOC: Now here's a question, do you HAVE to campaign for resolutions to have a chance at going to the voting chambers? I've personally never campaigned, and unless I have to, probably never will
by Attempted Socialism » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:57 am
US of-A wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:I'm guessing that you have had a few of your resolutions marked as "illegal", based on your withdrawn resolutions and your post here. Legality is determined by the rules as written. Apart from contradiction (Which requires substantial knowledge of previously passed resolutions) and honest mistake (Which is unfortunately named) they're easy to follow. I don't think it is a good sign that you're already failing to clear the lowest bar, that of mere legality.
Your garbage resolutions are terrible on their own, though, so I am sure you'll have a grand time railing against some WA elite for all your resolutions failing when in reality, it's because you think for 5 second, write a shitty, bad-policy, unpopular, resolution, submit it, and then edit it or not based on whether it is marked illegal by the GenSec, and then your resolution never garners support from anyone except a few dead-end reactionaries without even the slightest sense of quality. If you want to avoid this fate, draft your resolutions here for at least 2-4 weeks and listen to feedback meanwhile. If you want to embrace this fate, all the best of luck.
Please don't cuss.
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by The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:24 am
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by The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:42 am
Attempted Socialism wrote:US of-A wrote:Please don't cuss.
I'm sorry, I didn't know you wanted some PC, regulated feedback where people aren't allowed to call shitty proposals shitty. I'm 95% sure the common man uses worse cursewords than "shitty", so I genuinely thought I was in the clear. But I shall make sure to adapt my language to your more PC sensibilities, and describe your proposals as "like fecal matter" instead, where it applies.
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by WayNeacTia » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:58 am
Attempted Socialism wrote:US of-A wrote:Please don't cuss.
I'm sorry, I didn't know you wanted some PC, regulated feedback where people aren't allowed to call shitty proposals shitty. I'm 95% sure the common man uses worse cursewords than "shitty", so I genuinely thought I was in the clear. But I shall make sure to adapt my language to your more PC sensibilities, and describe your proposals as "like fecal matter" instead, where it applies.
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
wait
by The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:06 am
You're conservative, right? If you are, than the WA will only make you more mad. It is very liberal, so there's that, too.US of-A wrote:Well uh thanks for the feedback everybody, even if some of it was curse words. I generally don't use them when trying to make a well-thought-out, coherent response, but you do what you want I suppose.
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