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Postby Equai » Fri May 27, 2022 8:59 am

idk I like Bureau of Truth better. sounds more poetic
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Postby The Orwell Society » Fri May 27, 2022 9:01 am

Equai wrote:idk I like Bureau of Truth better. sounds more poetic

It also abbreviates to BOT. FACT is much more trustworthy and less suspicious
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Postby Equai » Fri May 27, 2022 9:06 am

The Orwell Society wrote:
Equai wrote:idk I like Bureau of Truth better. sounds more poetic

It also abbreviates to BOT. FACT is much more trustworthy and less suspicious

That's true. I like FACT too, it has good acronym as well
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Postby The Orwell Society » Fri May 27, 2022 1:47 pm

Thanks to The Forest of Aeneas, the definitions have taken a step inthe right direction, no giving emphasis on what makes harmful disinformation.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Fri May 27, 2022 3:47 pm

If all goes well, I will be submitting this on June 5th. So far, the only negative feedback that I've recieved has been rather subjective, people disagreeing with the premise, not the content.

I really hope this reaches vote. Will it pass? Perhaps, perhaps not. If it does, it will most likely be repealed for some minor flaw that I missed.
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Postby Equai » Fri May 27, 2022 4:21 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:If all goes well, I will be submitting this on June 5th. So far, the only negative feedback that I've recieved has been rather subjective, people disagreeing with the premise, not the content.

I really hope this reaches vote. Will it pass? Perhaps, perhaps not. If it does, it will most likely be repealed for some minor flaw that I missed.

I honestly hope it will. It will be a great addition to the international law if does as it will help in the battling of the new plague of this modern world that can be very harmful to innocent individuals, especially in the sectors of health and education
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Postby Princess Rainbow Sparkles » Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:If all goes well, I will be submitting this on June 5th. So far, the only negative feedback that I've recieved has been rather subjective, people disagreeing with the premise, not the content.

I really hope this reaches vote. Will it pass? Perhaps, perhaps not. If it does, it will most likely be repealed for some minor flaw that I missed.

I appreciate your enthusiasm but I don’t think this should be submitted in its current form. The project if serious is too rough. There is so much work to be done. I appreciate your offer of coauthorship, but I decline. It is not enough close to my vision of the subject.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Sat May 28, 2022 7:34 am

I understand. Thank you
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Postby The Orwell Society » Sat May 28, 2022 1:59 pm

After yet another quick read-over of the rules, I am concerned about this proposal's legality, specifically rule 1b regarding the fact that a proposal should do more than create a committe. Can I get a mod or GenSec input on this please?
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Postby The Orwell Society » Sat May 28, 2022 4:45 pm

Another query for proffessionals: Is political stability still the right category after all these changes? I've been worried about the category from the start.
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Postby Fachumonn » Sat May 28, 2022 7:12 pm

Read the GA rules - Categories, as long as there is a partial fit and there is at least one non-preamble clause that can be argued to be in this category, it should be fine. I wouldn't worry about it too much. If anything, you just resubmit if marked illegal. And if it's illegal, I'm sure a GenSec would pop in here eventually and say that, which they haven't yet.

Although: I'm far from professional, please don't classify me as one. But if you think you have an argument that could put this in political stability (?) then it's fine I think.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Sun May 29, 2022 5:57 am

Fachumonn wrote:Read the GA rules - Categories, as long as there is a partial fit and there is at least one non-preamble clause that can be argued to be in this category, it should be fine. I wouldn't worry about it too much. If anything, you just resubmit if marked illegal. And if it's illegal, I'm sure a GenSec would pop in here eventually and say that, which they haven't yet.

Although: I'm far from professional, please don't classify me as one. But if you think you have an argument that could put this in political stability (?) then it's fine I think.

I put it there because combating the spread of disinformation technically restricts upon one's freedom of speech, therefore restricting political freedom. Thank you.
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Postby Bananaistan » Mon May 30, 2022 12:36 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:After yet another quick read-over of the rules, I am concerned about this proposal's legality, specifically rule 1b regarding the fact that a proposal should do more than create a committe. Can I get a mod or GenSec input on this please?


OOC: Per here, the proposal rules are broadly GenSec's gig. My 1/6th of GenSec is that your proposal as currently stated in the OP, would be problematic as regards the committee rule. Member states have nothing to do aside from telling the committee what form the committee's output should take within their jurisdiction. You would probably want an additional clause giving member states something to do which, as per the committee rule, can be some form of interaction with the committee which is more substantial than merely filing paperwork.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon May 30, 2022 1:28 pm

Bananaistan wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:After yet another quick read-over of the rules, I am concerned about this proposal's legality, specifically rule 1b regarding the fact that a proposal should do more than create a committe. Can I get a mod or GenSec input on this please?


OOC: Per here, the proposal rules are broadly GenSec's gig. My 1/6th of GenSec is that your proposal as currently stated in the OP, would be problematic as regards the committee rule. Member states have nothing to do aside from telling the committee what form the committee's output should take within their jurisdiction. You would probably want an additional clause giving member states something to do which, as per the committee rule, can be some form of interaction with the committee which is more substantial than merely filing paperwork.

Thank you for the clarification. I am not sure what else to add, however. Any ideas?
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 31, 2022 10:22 am

/bumpidybumpbumpbumpbumpBUMP

If all goes well, this will be submitted on June 5th. Does anyone have any more feedback, comments, criticism, or queries? And does anyone have any stamps to spare? I'm fifteen and flat broke.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue May 31, 2022 10:37 am

Under this resolution, many forms of ordinary lying are banned. Lying isn't a particularly good practice, but it absolutely doesn't merit international criminalization.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 31, 2022 10:58 am

Wallenburg wrote:Under this resolution, many forms of ordinary lying are banned. Lying isn't a particularly good practice, but it absolutely doesn't merit international criminalization.

Only the lies that can harm people on an international scale are banned. Should I elaborate within the text? Does it need more clarification?
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue May 31, 2022 1:20 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Under this resolution, many forms of ordinary lying are banned. Lying isn't a particularly good practice, but it absolutely doesn't merit international criminalization.

Only the lies that can harm people on an international scale are banned. Should I elaborate within the text? Does it need more clarification?

Seeing as there is no textual basis by which to limit this to "harm on an international scale", that absolutely needs clarification.
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Postby Princess Rainbow Sparkles » Tue May 31, 2022 1:27 pm

Your definition of "propaganda" is unsatisfactory. To the extent it is already defined as a form of "disinformation," you don't need to further single it out. If you are going to single it out, you'll need to provide more clarity about what it means to be "of corrupt and unmoral nature" or else the Princess will not tolerate WA agents lurking about our lands in search of it. What you may consider corrupt I may recognize as legitimate. What you may consider unmoral I may consider moral or immoral.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 31, 2022 1:53 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:Only the lies that can harm people on an international scale are banned. Should I elaborate within the text? Does it need more clarification?

Seeing as there is no textual basis by which to limit this to "harm on an international scale", that absolutely needs clarification.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 31, 2022 2:00 pm

Princess Rainbow Sparkles wrote:Your definition of "propaganda" is unsatisfactory. To the extent it is already defined as a form of "disinformation," you don't need to further single it out. If you are going to single it out, you'll need to provide more clarity about what it means to be "of corrupt and unmoral nature" or else the Princess will not tolerate WA agents lurking about our lands in search of it. What you may consider corrupt I may recognize as legitimate. What you may consider unmoral I may consider moral or immoral.

Princess, did you read the second part of the definition? "…corrupt and unmoral nature…" is indirectly difined as harmful to a large group of people. If it bothers you that much, I can remove all mention of propoganda. The draft is in need of some trimming. Would that be favorable?
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Postby Princess Rainbow Sparkles » Tue May 31, 2022 2:08 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Princess Rainbow Sparkles wrote:Your definition of "propaganda" is unsatisfactory. To the extent it is already defined as a form of "disinformation," you don't need to further single it out. If you are going to single it out, you'll need to provide more clarity about what it means to be "of corrupt and unmoral nature" or else the Princess will not tolerate WA agents lurking about our lands in search of it. What you may consider corrupt I may recognize as legitimate. What you may consider unmoral I may consider moral or immoral.

Princess, did you read the second part of the definition? "…corrupt and unmoral nature…" is indirectly difined as harmful to a large group of people. If it bothers you that much, I can remove all mention of propoganda. The draft is in need of some trimming. Would that be favorable?

I don't think you need it, but ask around maybe others will disagree with me.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 31, 2022 2:13 pm

Princess Rainbow Sparkles wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:Princess, did you read the second part of the definition? "…corrupt and unmoral nature…" is indirectly difined as harmful to a large group of people. If it bothers you that much, I can remove all mention of propoganda. The draft is in need of some trimming. Would that be favorable?

I don't think you need it, but ask around maybe others will disagree with me.

I've been a little shaky about it from the start. All it does is add words that aren't neccessary for the vision of this proposal. I'll remove it, but if anyone gives me a convincing argument, I'll put it back in.

BTW, I just got gifted 1000 TG stamps, so I think I've got the campaigning part covered! :D :D :D
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Postby Fachumonn » Tue May 31, 2022 2:26 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Princess Rainbow Sparkles wrote:I don't think you need it, but ask around maybe others will disagree with me.

I've been a little shaky about it from the start. All it does is add words that aren't neccessary for the vision of this proposal. I'll remove it, but if anyone gives me a convincing argument, I'll put it back in.

BTW, I just got gifted 1000 TG stamps, so I think I've got the campaigning part covered! :D :D :D

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Postby Goobergunchia » Tue May 31, 2022 3:34 pm

is likely to cause harm to individuals specifically holding an arbiterary or reductive characteristic; and/or

Note that all disinformation in this resolution is harmful on a international scale, i.e. harmful to a significant portion of a memberstate's populace.

"Propaganda" as a form of disinformation that is used to promote a particular cause or point of view, often that of corrupt and unimmoral nature beneficial to a certain group or organization but harmful to others if believed to be true.

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