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Postby Gemeinschaftsland » Fri May 13, 2022 9:35 pm

OOC: I was already planning to draft a repeal for this resolution when Tinhampton reached out to me with additional concerns regarding GA#609’s provisions. As for a replacement, the author of the original resolution has informed me that they would create an improved draft if a repeal is successful.

Repeal: “Limiting Animal Pathogens”
Category: Repeal | Resolution: GA#609



General Assembly Resolution #609 “Limiting Animal Pathogens” (Category: Environmental; Industry Affected: Agriculture) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The World Assembly,

Aware of the need for international measures to challenge the increasingly universal problem of zoonotic disease, including regulations on the import, export, and sale of live animals and animal carcasses,

Concerned that General Assembly Resolution #609 “Limiting Animal Pathogens, ” in seeking to accomplish this worthwhile goal, is unfortunately burdened with many substantial and quite frankly unacceptable oversights, in particular:

  1. Finding Clause 2d's requirement that "Any person who tests positive [for a zoonotic disease] under this paragraph may not work at any wet market until such person reliably tests negative for the same zoonotic disease" to be particularly imprudent, not only in that it does not necessarily require that the most reliable tests available be used, but also insofar as it could disbar wet market employees from such work indefinitely (if not permanently) in cases where they are unable to consistently test negative for zoonotic diseases, even when this would pose little to no risk to public health, such as:

    1. Scenarios in which the only available methods of testing have an unacceptable level of accuracy and where there is a high probability of potentially devastating false diagnosis. The issue is only broadened by the lack of any provision requiring that the most reliable tests be those used. Ultimately, all kinds of wet market workers may very well find themselves unable to "reliably [test] negative for the same zoonotic disease", thus preventing them from returning to work and putting their well-being at risk.
    2. Scenarios where a qualifying zoonotic infection (of which there are many) may be treated to the point of safety and nontransmissibility but remains persistent or latent in a host; infected wet market workers, despite posing no further danger to themselves or others, may find themselves unable to ever consistently receive negative test results, permanently preventing them from providing for themselves and their loved ones.
    3. Situations where, even though a disease can be cured and relevant tests may be broadly accurate, the only available testing (such as serology tests) can still return positive results in the weeks, months, and even years after an infection has been effectively cured, thereby preventing afflicted wet market employees from returning to their trades for a significant, or permanent, stretch of time.
  2. Appalled by Clause 4a.'s grossly unreasonable demand that "every animal" intended for import or export be tested (as opposed to the random testing required by Clause 2 in wet market contexts) for qualifying zoonotic illnesses, which could, and almost certainly would, cause member states undue financial and logistical stress, given that livestock and other animals are often transported in bulk and that many requisite tests require substantial time and effort for each sample taken, altogether potentially leading to delays, cost overruns, and economic disaster for WA member states;
  3. Baffled that, throughout Clauses 2 and 4, all rules and regulations fail to take into account the fact that many such zoonotic illnesses lack any adequate testing whatsoever. The resolution's provisions, in failing to carve out exceptions for these diseases, risk locking WA member states into narrow, restrictive, and potentially ineffective public health responses due to mandated misallocation of national resources;

Judging that the pantheon of issues enclosed within this resolution’s provisions more than justifies their immediate removal from extant international law,

Hereby repeals General Assembly Resolution #609 “Limiting Animal Pathogens”.


Repeal: “Limiting Animal Pathogens”
Category: Repeal | Resolution: GA#609



General Assembly Resolution #609 “Limiting Animal Pathogens” (Category: Environmental; Industry Affected: Agriculture) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The World Assembly,

Wholly aware of the dangers posed to sapient health and well-being by the continued spread of zoonotic diseases in an interconnected multiverse;

Acknowledging the value of universal regulations for the import, export, and sale of live animals and animal carcasses in safeguarding against the communication and spread of potentially dangerous zoonotic illnesses;

Concerned that General Assembly Resolution #609 “Limiting Animal Pathogens”, in seeking to accomplish this worthwhile goal, is burdened with many substantial and quite frankly unacceptable oversights, principally:

  1. The particularly imprudent requirement laid out in clause 2d. that “Any person who tests positive [for a zoonotic disease] under this paragraph may not work at any wet market until such person reliably tests negative for the same zoonotic disease.”, in that it will likely disbar wet market employees from such work indefinitely (if not permanently) due to their inability to consistently and accurately test negative for zoonotic diseases in scenarios such as:

    1. With there being no requirement that tests be available or accurate for the detection of qualifying zoonotic diseases, there exists the highly legitimate possibility that wet market employees who have never contracted such an illness could receive a false diagnosis; subsequently, for the same reason, they may be unable to consistently test negative for a significant or permanent period.
    2. There are numerous zoonotic infections for which treatment to the point of safety and nontransmissibility may exist, but which remain persistent or latent in their hosts. Wet market workers infected by any such diseases may be unable to ever consistently receive negative test results, despite posing no further danger to themselves or others.
    3. Finally, there exist many qualifying zoonotic illnesses that can be cured but for which the only available tests (such as serology tests) still return positive results even in the weeks, months and years after they are cured, thereby preventing afflicted wet market employees from providing that which they require to return to their trade.
  2. Clause 4a.'s unreasonable demand that all live animals intended for import or export be tested (as opposed to the random testing required by Clause 2 in wet market contexts), which will cause member states both financial and logistical stress - given that, for example, livestock are often transported in batches of many tens of thousands, with many tests requiring a substantial amount of time to take samples and receive results;
  3. The testing mandated for wet market workers, live animals, and animal carcasses for any zoonotic illness which is deemed capable of infecting sapient beings and which poses a culpable threat in such a case, throughout clauses 2 and 4, is fundamentally irreconcilable with the fact that many zoonotic diseases that fulfill the aforementioned requirements lack any form of pathogen testing;

Judging that the pantheon of issues enclosed within more than justify the immediate removal of this resolution’s provisions from extant international law;

Hereby repeals General Assembly Resolution #609 “Limiting Animal Pathogens”.
Repeal: “Limiting Animal Pathogens”
Category: Repeal | Resolution: GA#609



General Assembly Resolution #609 “Limiting Animal Pathogens” (Category: Environmental; Industry Affected: Agriculture) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The World Assembly,

Wholly aware of the dangers posed to sapient life by the continued spread of zoonotic diseases in an interconnected multiverse;

Acknowledging the value of universal regulations for the import, export, and sale of live animals and animal carcasses in safeguarding against the proliferation of potentially dangerous zoonotic illnesses;

Concerned that General Assembly Resolution #609 “Limiting Animal Pathogens”, in its noble attempt to achieve this goal, has unfortunately been burdened with numerous significant and, frankly, unacceptable oversights, namely:

  1. The particularly imprudent requirement laid out in clause 2d., which requires that "Any person who tests positive [for a zoonotic disease] under this paragraph may not work at any wet market until such person reliably tests negative for the same zoonotic disease." This provision poses a grave risk to the job security and financial stability of wet market employees, since it outright mandates their disbarment from work for significant periods of time (if not permanently) when they are unable to consistently test negative for zoonotic diseases, a prerequisite that could easily and frequently be met in scenarios where little or no risk is posed to public health. Of note:

    1. In scenarios where no accurate tests for a qualifying zoonotic disease are available, there exists the highly legitimate—and potentially devastating—possibility of a false diagnosis. This issue is exacerbated by the lack of any requirement mandating that the most reliable tests should be the ones used, opening the way for dangerous malpractice and cost-cutting, even when there are plentiful proper, definitive tests available on the market. Furthermore, when tests are unreliable, workers may be unable to "reliably [test] negative for the same zoonotic disease", denying their ability to be absolved from the resolution's provisions once they pose no further risk to public health, thus preventing them from returning to work and putting their financial well-being at risk.
    2. In scenarios where a qualifying zoonotic infection (of which there are many) can be treated to the point of safety and nontransmissibility but remains persistent or latent in a host, infected wet market workers, despite posing no further danger to themselves or others, may find themselves unable to ever consistently receive negative test results, permanently preventing them from providing for themselves and their loved ones.
    3. Likewise, there exist many qualifying zoonotic illnesses that can be cured but for which the only available tests (such as serology tests) still return positive results in the weeks, months, and even years after an infection has been fully resolved, thereby preventing afflicted wet market employees from returning to their trades for significant, financially ruinous periods of time.
  2. Clause 4a.'s grossly unreasonable demand that "every animal" intended for import or export be tested (as opposed to the random testing required by Clause 2 in wet market contexts) for qualifying zoonotic illnesses, which will almost certainly cause member states undue financial and logistical stress, given that, for example, livestock are often transported in batches of many tens of thousands, with many tests requiring a substantial amount of time to take samples and receive results, drastically increasing the time burden and cost of livestock trading; backing up ports, depots, and break-of-bulk points; and ultimately risking calamitous ramifications for the import and export economies of compliant WA member states;
  3. Finally, throughout Clauses 2 and 4, all rules and regulations fail to take into account the fact that many zoonotic illnesses that are both capable of infecting sapient beings and pose a culpable threat to sapient life simply lack any form of pathogen testing. The resolution's provisions, although largely inapplicable to outbreaks of such diseases, do not exempt such situations from its ordinances, creating such issues as potentially locking WA member states into narrow, restrictive, and potentially ineffective public health responses burdened by legally mandated misallocation of national resources;

Judging that the pantheon of issues enclosed within this resolution’s provisions more than justifies their immediate removal from extant international law;

Hereby repeals General Assembly Resolution #609 “Limiting Animal Pathogens”.


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Postby The Forest of Aeneas » Fri May 13, 2022 9:45 pm

Ambassador Cecilia Maro. 'We are unconvinced by this repeal. While we agree with some of the points, the rest we do not find to be compelling arguments for repeal.'

Gemeinschaftsland wrote:With there being no requirement that tests be available or accurate for the detection of qualifying zoonotic diseases, there exists the highly legitimate possibility that wet market employees who have never contracted such an illness could receive a false diagnosis; subsequently, for the same reason, they may be unable to consistently test negative for a significant or permanent period.

'If the diagnosis is false, how would it be known that it is false, Ambassador? It would only be known as false because they are reliably proven not to have held that zoontic disease. If it cannot be reliably proven that the diagnosis is false, then this is beneficial.'

Gemeinschaftsland wrote:There are numerous zoonotic infections for which treatment to the point of safety and nontransmissibility may exist, but which remain persistent or latent in their hosts. Wet market workers infected by any such diseases may be unable to ever consistently receive negative test results, despite posing no further danger to themselves or others.

[*]Finally, there exist many qualifying zoonotic illnesses that can be cured but for which the only available tests (such as serology tests) still return positive results even in the weeks, months and years after they are cured, thereby preventing afflicted wet market employees from providing as much.[/list]

Clause 4a.'s unreasonable demand that all live animals intended for import or export be tested (as opposed to the random testing required by Clause 2 in wet market contexts), which will cause member states both financial and logistical stress - given that, for example, livestock are often transported in batches of many tens of thousands, with many tests requiring a substantial amount of time to take samples and receive results;

'These are relatively strong repeal points.'

Gemeinschaftsland wrote:The testing mandates for wet market workers, live animals, and animal carcasses for any zoonotic illness which is deemed capable of infecting sapient beings and which poses a culpable threat in such a case, which is provided throughout clauses 2 and 4, is fundamentally irreconcilable with the fact that many zoonotic diseases that fulfill the aforementioned requirements lack simply any form of pathogen testing;

'What?'
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Postby West Barack and East Obama » Sat May 14, 2022 12:12 am

Dr Justin Obama, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs: While we were opposed to the target, we do not find the reasons listed in this repeal satisfactory. The clauses that mean wet market workers can’t get a job is unfortunate, but it’s a very minor issue that doesn’t affect much in the grand scheme of things and is not really a strong repeal reason. We also concur with Ms Maro on the false positives issue. We feel that random testing is unreliable and it would definitely be better to test every live animal. It is necessary in the interests of public health. And lastly, what is the argument in the third one? Is it that the resolution is fundamentally useless or what? Either way, it does not seem like a reason to repeal, as for the ones that do have testing, this would be very useful. And it may spur nations to develop technologies to detect testing for these diseases. Therefore, opposed.
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Bistritza wrote:I know how you feel brother
I wanted to draft ''Repeal: Repeal ''LEO Regulations'''' the day it was approved, but cowered. Now all I do is wait.
Don't be like me, learn from me. It's like M&M said:
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What the fuck are you babbling about? You can’t repeal a repeal.
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Bistritza wrote:I know how you feel brother
I wanted to draft ''Repeal: Repeal ''LEO Regulations'''' the day it was approved, but cowered. Now all I do is wait.
Don't be like me, learn from me. It's like M&M said:
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? What? And what is that reference? Do you want to "seize everything you ever wanted" by making an impossible resolution in NS?
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat May 14, 2022 5:23 am

Cecilia Maro wrote:
Gemeinschaftsland wrote:The testing mandates for wet market workers, live animals, and animal carcasses for any zoonotic illness which is deemed capable of infecting sapient beings and which poses a culpable threat in such a case, which is provided throughout clauses 2 and 4, is fundamentally irreconcilable with the fact that many zoonotic diseases that fulfill the aforementioned requirements lack simply any form of pathogen testing;

'What?'

Alexander Smith, Tinhamptonian Delegate-Ambassador to the World Assembly: If it... enlightens you on this a bit more, the original proposal I sent to the Gemein delegation when I learned they were working on a repeal noted that "Clauses 2 and 4 require that live animals, animal carcasses and wet market employees be tested for "any zoonotic disease" which meets certain criteria without realising that tests do not exist for many such diseases." Think the coronavirus in February or March 2020 when testing was barely, if ever, available, at least outside of hospital settings - those are the kinds of tests Limiting Animal Pathogens expects members to conduct, even if the resources for doing so do not exist.
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Fachumonn wrote:? What? And what is that reference? Do you want to "seize everything you ever wanted" by making an impossible resolution in NS?


but i didn't....it's not impossible it's unprecedented, possibly illegal. those still dont make it IMPOSSIBLE.
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Bistritza wrote:
Fachumonn wrote:? What? And what is that reference? Do you want to "seize everything you ever wanted" by making an impossible resolution in NS?


but i didn't....it's not impossible it's unprecedented, possibly illegal. those still dont make it IMPOSSIBLE.
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In the hopes of ending this argument that we can get back to more productive discussion, go here and look for any non-repealed resolution other than bookkeeping or a repeal. At the bottom of its entry, you'll find a green 'repeal this resolution' link. Clicking on one of those is how you submit a repeal proposal. Now go and find any repeal, note that it doesn't have that link. It is impossible, yes, impossible to submit a repeal of a repeal. End of story.
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Bistritza wrote:
Fachumonn wrote:? What? And what is that reference? Do you want to "seize everything you ever wanted" by making an impossible resolution in NS?


but i didn't....it's not impossible it's unprecedented, possibly illegal. those still dont make it IMPOSSIBLE.
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Well it is literally impossible to do, and it always will be.
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This thread is about repealing “Limiting Animal Pathogens”.
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OOC: Bump, new draft.
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“Given that clauses ii and iii end in semicolons, should not clauses i-a, i-b, and i-c do so likewise? That is my only criticism, and it is certainly a minor one. I otherwise think that this proposal fully justifies the compelling argument for a repeal.”
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Postby Barfleur » Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:06 pm

"In the event that this passes, I would be happy to work with Gemeinschaftsland on a replacement that takes into account the objections contained in the repeal. Animal health and the suppression of zoonotic diseases are two issues of global importance, and there should be some international regulation on the matter, preferably one which attracts as little opposition as possible while doing the maximum."

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Postby Simone Republic » Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:41 am

Gemeinschaftsland wrote:OOC: Bump, new draft.


I recall Gem's arguments back in May when this proposal was debated in TNP that clause 2(d) was too strict. And I think this is worth revisiting but I am still not totally convinced (I voted Present back then).

Having said this, 4(a) about the testing of "every animal" (which I suspect does mean testing every animal carcass, as per Gem's interpretation) was indeed something I didn't catch last time.
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Postby Gemeinschaftsland » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:46 pm

Back from the grave; new draft, I think this one is much better than the previous versions.
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Postby Gemeinschaftsland » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:13 pm

This has been sitting around for almost a year now, and the only changes in the current draft have to do with readability and fluency, so I'm comfortable with moving this to last call now.
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Postby Gemeinschaftsland » Thu May 04, 2023 4:02 pm

This proposal has just reached quorum
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Postby Ceannas » Tue May 23, 2023 10:00 pm

As a professional chef OOCly, I have to deal with making sure I do not succumb to certain diseases (ie HIV, salmonella, hepatitis, and any other transmittable conditions) and/or sickness (from COVID-19 to the common cold) in order to keep working in that industry. The same goes for any medical, hospitality, or other industry within an environment that deals with the public and public consumption. At least that's how it's done here in the states. It's just a way of life for those industries and completely based on the need for public safety.

The original proposal is completely justified and there is zero need for repeal.

If there was viable evidence as to why this clause is detrimental, I could see it. But, as it stands, it is for public safety and should be left as is. The only negative being offered is that it's an inconvenience to those unwilling to put the people first or accept responsibility for their own health.

Instead of a repeal, maybe propose an addendum to grant funding for the proper testing required to meet the safety standards already in place? If it's about the money, then are we truly looking at the best interest of the peoples we govern?

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Postby North Cadenza » Wed May 24, 2023 1:34 am

I agree with the representative from Ceannas.
Not wanting to put forth effort or due diligence, is not a reason to repeal resolution #609. Perhaps if some alternate plan was being put in place. But instead the bill starts off stating how important it is to deal with the disease, yet finished by removing all requirement to do anything.
A new bill to fund better testing kits, and alternative testing methods for large numbers of fauna, would have been a much better approach.
Regardless of the outcome here. North Cadenza will continue testing, and refuse imports that do not do so as well.

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Postby Youtube Inc » Wed May 24, 2023 1:50 am

For, another repeal written much better than the resolution it is targeting, well done :clap:
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Postby Coronational Chechyans and affiliates » Wed May 24, 2023 8:41 am

I support this repeal as I will endorse any appeal along as its coherent.

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Postby Wheath » Wed May 24, 2023 9:54 am

Wheath is voting against because the original GA Resolution's 4a reads - "[nations will test] every animal intended for import [...] or export [...] for any zoonotic disease which: has been determined by the WHA or local health authorities to pose a substantial danger to sapient wellbeing; and, is capable of infecting and thereby harming sapient beings in the area and population in which such animal is intended to be moved to"

I believe this negates the following from the Repeal

"Appalled by Clause 4a's grossly unreasonable demand that "every animal" intended for import or export be tested [...] for qualifying zoonotic illnesses, which could, and almost certainly would, cause member states undue financial and logistical stress, given that livestock and other animals are often transported in bulk and that many requisite tests require substantial time and effort for each sample taken, altogether potentially leading to delays, cost overruns, and economic disaster for WA member states..."
Θ, θ = theta, no need to join the revival. Anyway, why does the thorn (Þ) looks like phi (Φ, φ)?
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