[Passed] End Collective Punishment

[The Forest of Aeneas]

Withdrawn. Resubmission shortly, hopefully for the final time.

Resubmitted

[Fachumonn]

Withdrawn. Resubmission shortly, hopefully for the final time.

Resubmitted

Lol this has been approved for the third time.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Resubmitted

Lol this has been approved for the third time.

People on the light theme cannot read your garish colouring.

[Fachumonn]

Lol this has been approved for the third time.

People on the light theme cannot read your garish colouring.

Who chooses the light theme? Anyways, Ill change it to blue.

[WayNeacTia]

People on the light theme cannot read your garish colouring.

Who chooses the light theme? Anyways, Ill change it to blue.

Can you maybe just use an underline or bold, or italics instead, please?

[Fachumonn]

Who chooses the light theme? Anyways, Ill change it to blue.

Can you maybe just use an underline or bold, or italics instead, please?

Uggggggg... I wanted to use a color but I guess... I'll choose italics.

[Comfed]

People on the light theme cannot read your garish colouring.

Who chooses the light theme? Anyways, Ill change it to blue.

Oh sorry we and 90% of all players will all just change our themes to fit your preference

[WayNeacTia]

Can you maybe just use an underline or bold, or italics instead, please?

Uggggggg... I wanted to use a color but I guess... I'll choose italics.

Most appreciated....

[Fachumonn]

Who chooses the light theme? Anyways, Ill change it to blue.

Oh sorry we and 90% of all players will all just change our themes to fit your preference

Fair and fine by me to change it to italics.

[Blaenavon]

Unless I have misunderstood the scope of this resolution, I feel it would cause some problems in practise. Say that the actions of some irresponsible bankers leads to a financial crisis. The government lowers interest rates to encourage buying, but this harms retired people even though they had nothing to do with the financial crisis. This action was needed to avert an even more harmful economic catastrophe, but negatively effects some people who were not responsible for the catastrophe. It seems necessary, but would this resolution prevent it? Likewise, say a bomb is detonated by a gang in a shop in a remote area, and police lock down the area fearing more violence. This means locals will have to travel for an hour to get food, but it is surely necessary to protect lives from terrorism, even if the terrorism was not the fault of the locals.

[West Barack and East Obama]

Dr Justin Obama, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs: Temporarily lowering interest rates and restricting travel for security reasons are not punishments, and therefore not prohibited.

[Fachumonn]

The Libertarian Socialist Confederation has voted FOR this proposal.

[Old Hope]

This resolution seems to ban punishing people for encouragement of inaction... Against.

[Orifna]

I'm FOR this.

The main reason why I agree for this is about these reasons, some of which relating to crime.

Bans member states from purposefully punishing, convicting, or otherwise targetting for punishment, any individual for:

Any act they did not personally commit or knowingly conspire, suppress evidence of, encourage, or facilitate; or
Connection or relationship to an individual, on the basis that that individual has committed a punishable or unlawful act;
Demands that all past convictions contravening this resolution by member states be fully rescinded; and
Clarifies that this resolution does not ban member states from purposefully punishing, convicting, or otherwise retaliating against persons for:

Membership in a proscribed organisation; or
A punishable act unambiguously committed under their authority.

As said before, I am FOR this resolution.

[Equai]

Feederation of Equai votes FOR this resolution

[Berenice Soviet]

The Berenice Soviet votes AGAINST this proposed bill. Due to the inexperience and multiple redrafts, it seems that this should’ve been worked in prior to being posted. Regardless, this bill can cause a lot of problems. What about prisoners of war? Collective punishment is sometimes necessary to bring order to a group. Recall that in the class room, the teacher may punish the whole class if a few people messed up. This reinforces who is in charge and who is supposed to follow.

[Equai]

The Berenice Soviet votes AGAINST this proposed bill. Due to the inexperience and multiple redrafts, it seems that this should’ve been worked in prior to being posted. Regardless, this bill can cause a lot of problems. What about prisoners of war? Collective punishment is sometimes necessary to bring order to a group. Recall that in the class room, the teacher may punish the whole class if a few people messed up. This reinforces who is in charge and who is supposed to follow.

This problem, ambassador, can really easily be fixed if all hierarchical form and usage of punishments is abolished. People won't need to rebel when everyone is on equal stance as everyone else.

[Berenice Soviet]

The Berenice Soviet votes AGAINST this proposed bill. Due to the inexperience and multiple redrafts, it seems that this should’ve been worked in prior to being posted. Regardless, this bill can cause a lot of problems. What about prisoners of war? Collective punishment is sometimes necessary to bring order to a group. Recall that in the class room, the teacher may punish the whole class if a few people messed up. This reinforces who is in charge and who is supposed to follow.

This problem, ambassador, can really easily be fixed if all hierarchical form and usage of punishments is abolished. People won't need to rebel when everyone is on equal stance as everyone else.

If by this you mean abolish establishment forms of government for a system where everyone has the same and equal power, that solves nothing. Human greed is something that can never be tamed. People will always rule over others.

Getting rid of all forms of punishment won’t solve it either. It’s a known fact that actions have consequences, some cases it’s punishment.

You seem to be pushing for a more anarchic approach but even an anarchy needs order at some point.

[Caymarnia]

While I can understand the objections - the wording is very much open to interpretation, and I would not be in the least bit surprised if a repeal motion is being drafted in the event this resolution passes - I believe I can also understand the intent. Arresting the residents of an entire apartment block for the actions of a few who participated (actively or otherwise) in a crime is both asinine to undertake due to the inefficient use of police time, personnel, and equipment, and unfair to those residents who are simply going about their lives. Questioning is one thing, prosecution based on proximity is another.

As to the question of prisoners of war, I am not entirely certain what the ambassador from the Berenice Soviet is taking issue with. Unless I am mistaking the intent of the author, the resolution at vote is intended to deal with civil law, as regards to a nation's own citizens, whereas POWs are most likely subject to military law, and whatever specific World Assembly regulations regarding the application of said law (i.e. in the case of war crimes tribunals, which I'm reasonably certain cannot be done arbitrarily). In my view, being captured in battle and imprisoned until exchanged - or until hostilities cease - would be punishment enough. Trust me on that.

In accordance with this evening's vote of the National Council of the People's Will, Caymarnia votes for the resolution.

[The Forest of Aeneas]

'The primary intent of this is to tackle collective punishment for crimes (and any other unlawful acts). However, this indeed also bans member states from collectively punishing POWs.'

OOC: Collectively punishing POWs (and any other protected group) is a war crime under real life international law.

[Berenice Soviet]

While I can understand the objections - the wording is very much open to interpretation, and I would not be in the least bit surprised if a repeal motion is being drafted in the event this resolution passes - I believe I can also understand the intent. Arresting the residents of an entire apartment block for the actions of a few who participated (actively or otherwise) in a crime is both asinine to undertake due to the inefficient use of police time, personnel, and equipment, and unfair to those residents who are simply going about their lives. Questioning is one thing, prosecution based on proximity is another.

As to the question of prisoners of war, I am not entirely certain what the ambassador from the Berenice Soviet is taking issue with. Unless I am mistaking the intent of the author, the resolution at vote is intended to deal with civil law, as regards to a nation's own citizens, whereas POWs are most likely subject to military law, and whatever specific World Assembly regulations regarding the application of said law (i.e. in the case of war crimes tribunals, which I'm reasonably certain cannot be done arbitrarily). In my view, being captured in battle and imprisoned until exchanged - or until hostilities cease - would be punishment enough. Trust me on that.

In accordance with this evening's vote of the National Council of the People's Will, Caymarnia votes for the resolution.

I am new to being active in the WA so I’m getting used to reading laws and whatnot. If it’s a civil issue this aims to address, why should this be handled on an international level? Shouldn’t each country pass its own laws on this rather than have to put it through the WA? Again I’m new to this so any clarification of this is greatly appreciated.

[Fremenilia]

Recognizing that such an act threatens to investigate the group punishments inflicted on Bigtopians.

Acknowledging that though it's actually legal as all Bigtopians are guilty of the (100% not race or nationality based and thus WA A OK criminal charge) of Bigtoping.

The Ambassador from Fremenilia votes AGAINST this resolution to save time on investigations.

[Glatixland]

"Following careful reading of the current proposal draft, Glatixland will be voting in favor of this motion. We have considered opposition to the act, and have not found a satisfying argument for countermanding the potential human rights benefits present within."

[Anarcho-Pablion]

OOC: Don't have time to read all of it right now, but would this decriminalize the get-away car's driver's actions in, say, a bank heist? Driving a car is not a crime, after all.

No. while driving a car is not a crime, they are actively helping commit the crime, this law would ban practices like let's say: Teachers keeping all students behind until 1 reveals what they did, only 1 out of up to 40 people did wrong, but all of them get the punishment.

[Fremenilia]

No that would be allowed, as they are all suspects, if they had them all run laps even after the actual offender was found that would be banned.(Though since it’s not an official punishment it likely wouldn’t be prohibited in practice).