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Postby The Tungsten Order » Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:13 pm

Strongly affirming the evidences of current used preservatives in packaging foods for markets causing or being able to cause cancer in World Assembly nations,

Believing it is a necessary moral to put health over wealth,

Convinced of the issues caused by such chemicals to environments and the health of the world,

Concerned of the health crisis caused by these chemicals in many member nations,

inorder to protect the health of the general public at the expense of morally corrupt companies will take the following actions:

1.No unnatural preservatives shall be used unless they are proven to prevent harm to whatever consumes it or the tissues of what it is used to increase the shelf life of products of dairy, meat, plants, and mushrooms and must not be able to be absorbed by the body of it's consumer or what it is used on, or must be absorbed in little amount

2.If an unnatural preservative is able to cause cancer but is absorbed in low amounts into the body that it is in or not at all and prevents the growth of Bacteria or other harmful possible disease-causing microorganisms, then it may be used

3.No artificial sweeteners that cause obesity, wait gain, cancer, or other diseases may be used otherwise, must be used in levels lower than what is said to be safe

4.Food coloring that causes any cancer, obesity, or any other health conditions may not be used in food and may only be used if it is able to change the color of food in tiny amounts without causing harm to the body

5.Artifical Flavors may not be used in any foods that consumers buy, or any food at all

6.No more than 4.3 grams of Saturated fats shall be present per packaged food, and no more than 0.6 grams of Transfats per package as to meet the normal daily amount for persons who eat 3 meals a day

7.All chemicals used in the food must be safe for whatever being is meant to eat it

8.A handbook of the chemicals amount in the food, it's chemical structure, chemical formula, the chemical's name, it's possible side effects, how much will be absorbed, and what are the possible side effects of eating that amount of food, how much of the chemical there is per centimeter squared, and around how much area the food item has in total

9.The definition of Artificial is any chemical produced in a lab by a certain process, chemical reaction, or chemical that is not produced by any natural being, including derivatives of the chemicals
a.Using Genetically Modified organisms to make these chemicals will still be considered as artificial, despite the fact it is being produced by
living organisms

10.Products made through cell cultures such as plants, meat, fish, or mushrooms are produced through genetic modification or cell cultures, are considered to have non-Artificial chemicals unless un-natural chemicals were injected into the cell cultures, or were genetically modified to produce Artificial Chemicals to boost cell culture growth
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Postby Fachumonn » Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:19 pm

Please put this in
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code for reading purposes.
Also, not the strongest draft I've ever seen.
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Postby Xanthorrhoea » Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:59 pm

What is your definition of an artificial chemical? A chemical is literally any molecule, and artificial can encompass almost anything. Is it something not made in a biological process? If so, what about things found in nature that aren’t biological? What about chemically engineered products that are identical to, or only slightly different to those found in nature? What about products made through cell culture, where another organism’s processes are replicated in a bacterial host to be produced at scale?

The moment any party starts talking about chemicals in food is the moment they lose credibility in our nation’s eyes.

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Postby The Tungsten Order » Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:43 am

Xanthorrhoea wrote:What is your definition of an artificial chemical? A chemical is literally any molecule, and artificial can encompass almost anything. Is it something not made in a biological process? If so, what about things found in nature that aren’t biological? What about chemically engineered products that are identical to, or only slightly different to those found in nature? What about products made through cell culture, where another organism’s processes are replicated in a bacterial host to be produced at scale?

The moment any party starts talking about chemicals in food is the moment they lose credibility in our nation’s eyes.


Fixed.

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Postby Xanthorrhoea » Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:26 am

The Tungsten Order wrote:Fixed.

We’ll, you’ve offered a definition, I’ll give you that, even if it’s one I completely oppose. I highly suggest also offering a definition of “unnatural.”

To be honest, I disagree with the premise of this proposal. Whether or not a substance is allowed in food should be based on whether it is safe for consumption at the levels at which it is consumed (with an appropriately large safety buffer). It’s “artificiality” or “unnaturalness” is completely irrelevant, such terms are meaningless buzzwords.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:34 am

The Tungsten Order wrote:6.Transfat and Saturated fats must not exceed 100 miligrams, or a total of 0.2 grams per packaged item that is meant for consumption

All steaks have now been banned.

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Postby Fachumonn » Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:37 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
The Tungsten Order wrote:6.Transfat and Saturated fats must not exceed 100 miligrams, or a total of 0.2 grams per packaged item that is meant for consumption

All steaks have now been banned.

Yes I would suggest you remove the "saturated" part of that.
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Postby The Tungsten Order » Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:59 am

Xanthorrhoea wrote:
The Tungsten Order wrote:Fixed.

We’ll, you’ve offered a definition, I’ll give you that, even if it’s one I completely oppose. I highly suggest also offering a definition of “unnatural.”

To be honest, I disagree with the premise of this proposal. Whether or not a substance is allowed in food should be based on whether it is safe for consumption at the levels at which it is consumed (with an appropriately large safety buffer). It’s “artificiality” or “unnaturalness” is completely irrelevant, such terms are meaningless buzzwords.


"10.Products made through cell cultures such as plants, meat, fish, or mushrooms are produced through genetic modification or cell cultures, are considered to have non-Artificial chemicals unless un-natural chemicals were injected into the cell cultures, or were genetically modified to produce Artificial Chemicals to boost cell culture growth"

"9.The definition of Artificial is any chemical produced in a lab by a certain process, chemical reaction, or chemical that is not produced by any natural being, including derivatives of the chemicals"

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
The Tungsten Order wrote:6.Transfat and Saturated fats must not exceed 100 miligrams, or a total of 0.2 grams per packaged item that is meant for consumption

All steaks have now been banned.


Fixed (anyway, I really want to stop having to edit this proposal)

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:12 pm

Honestly this entire proposal seems to be the naturalistic fallacy writ large.

Formaldehyde is a naturally-occurring carcinogen which doesn't fall into any artificiality. Yet, on the opposite side, sucralose is basically fine for human consumption but regulated. Trans fats are heavily regulated even though they too are naturally occurring in cattle and sheep. You want to ban artificial flavouring when the vast majority of flavouring (vanilla is a classic example) is just artificial synthesis of chemically identical flavouring compounds. You want to call GMOs artificial (without defining GMOs) even though they are produced by composited natural processes or when they are clear improvements over "natural" food (eg golden rice vs "natural" rice) that already themselves bear little resemblance to their pre-domestication ancestors.

You should reframe your policy solution to the problem you've identified. If you want to protect public health, actually do that instead of writing arbitrary regulations and pseudo-scientific justifications thereof.

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Postby Umbratellus » Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:43 pm

The Tungsten Order wrote:Fixed (anyway, I really want to stop having to edit this proposal)

You do realize that properly drafted legislation can literally take several weeks if not months, right? This one that was defeated after getting to vote started in October of last year. You've had your post up for a whole day! Have some patience.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:18 pm

Your definitions are not good enough and that can lead one to think that all forms of additives and chemicals used in food are illegal. Along with spelling and grammar mistakes, your proposal is unnecessary as a whole since food regulation is an area that's highly technical and probably would be an area with a lot of debate regarding the safety or dangers of certain ingredients, artificial or not.
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Postby The Tungsten Order » Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:10 am

Umbratellus wrote:
The Tungsten Order wrote:Fixed (anyway, I really want to stop having to edit this proposal)

You do realize that properly drafted legislation can literally take several weeks if not months, right? This one that was defeated after getting to vote started in October of last year. You've had your post up for a whole day! Have some patience.

ok then.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:23 pm

This entire proposal seems to rest on the assumption that natural=good, artificial=bad. As a result, this proposal is unsalvageable to its core.

Also, among other things, it appears you banned packaged meat again.
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Postby Zootopiania » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:52 pm

I think this proposal could include too many restrictions, as artificial should not always be assumed to be bad at its center. I think yes, artificial chemicals can be harmful, but they aren't all the bad you're making them up to be. Some restrictions can be placed, but this could be seen as over the top control.

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Postby Potted Plants United » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:20 pm

OOC: I have trouble understanding the language here, likely due to errors in sentence structure. For example clauses 3 and 4 have internal contradiction where they say the chemicals cannot be used and can be used. Is the latter part of the clause meant to be an exception to the former?

And why are the substances needed to be used at lower levels than what is safe? Wouldn't that mean preservatives would be used at too low levels to actually prevent growth of harmful bacteria?
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