[abandoned] polygamy rights

[The Turkmen Emirate]

“Why, even with co-spouses not married to each other, can the law not say in the this case, the wealth would be divided into thirds: one third for each co-spouse and one third for their mutual spouse?”

The Lyricalian ambassador has replied adequately, but just to point out, the law you describe is, also, arguably inequitable in the sense that any wealth I work towards is not shared just with whom I chose to marry, but also with anyone else THEY chose to marry, possibly regardless of my feelings on the matter. The Roman Republic considers this to be manifestly unjust as compared to a group marriage model requiring the consent of all spouses. Although we still believe that the organization of the family unit is, largely, a subject best left to the sound discretion of member states to legislate on in accordance with the societal mores and structures that are particular to them.

“Ok. I will add in a provision about how this shall not be construed of interfering with the ability of states to require the consent of existing spouses.”

[Separatist Peoples]

The Lyricalian ambassador has replied adequately, but just to point out, the law you describe is, also, arguably inequitable in the sense that any wealth I work towards is not shared just with whom I chose to marry, but also with anyone else THEY chose to marry, possibly regardless of my feelings on the matter. The Roman Republic considers this to be manifestly unjust as compared to a group marriage model requiring the consent of all spouses. Although we still believe that the organization of the family unit is, largely, a subject best left to the sound discretion of member states to legislate on in accordance with the societal mores and structures that are particular to them.

“Ok. I will add in a provision about how this shall not be construed of interfering with the ability of states to require the consent of existing spouses.”

"This in no way simplifies the matter. Thus our objection. Mandating bigamous marriage recognition imposes too great a burden on legal systems and requires creation of new policy from wholecloth. This is fundementally different from homosexual marriage, as homosexual relationships fall very neatly into preexisting monogamous marriage paradigms. As long as bigamous marriage is mandated by this proposal, the C.D.S.P. will actively seek to prevent this from passing at vote."

[Floofybit]

How would you regulate relationships? One spouse would likely think that they were less important than another spouse, such as giving less time together. I also feel that unique, truly caring time will be at risk. How could a kid be able to manage having multiple mothers or fathers? What about the chance of bullying between children with polygamist parents and monogomost parents? Even if you made this sort of changes I would still be strongly against. What about other people who have NO spouses? It's hard enough to see 1 spouse, but one with 8? Now that I feel is unbearable. Also, is their a limit on this? A maximum number of spouses? How would they split the money? Can the spouses get married with each other, or is the original bride or groom the dominant? Could say 2 males and 2 females get married or could is only be like 1 female and 3 males or something like that?

[The Turkmen Emirate]

“Ok. I will add in a provision about how this shall not be construed of interfering with the ability of states to require the consent of existing spouses.”

"This in no way simplifies the matter. Thus our objection. Mandating bigamous marriage recognition imposes too great a burden on legal systems and requires creation of new policy from wholecloth. This is fundementally different from homosexual marriage, as homosexual relationships fall very neatly into preexisting monogamous marriage paradigms. As long as bigamous marriage is mandated by this proposal, the C.D.S.P. will actively seek to prevent this from passing at vote."

“What complications are you referring to? If one person is married to three people and they divorce both of them, why not divide the property into thirds. One third for each co-spouse and one third for their mutual spouse? Or is there an unrelated complication I’m not aware of.”

[Sale-Rabat]

"The C.D.S.P. opposes any regulation legalizing bigamous, as opposed to true polysmorous, marriage. We have no moral concerns, but cannot find any way to reconcile such arrangements with our tax, custody, and divorce equity proceedings given the confusing nature of what equitable rights two persons unmarried to each other but married to the same spouse have against each other. We have less objection to a polyamorous arrangement where all parties are intermarried, as preexisting business law concepts readily apply."

I am extremely interested of how polyamoury and polygamy are different, so I could make legislation according to all groups affected by current laws in my nation-says the Sultan.

[Separatist Peoples]

"This in no way simplifies the matter. Thus our objection. Mandating bigamous marriage recognition imposes too great a burden on legal systems and requires creation of new policy from wholecloth. This is fundementally different from homosexual marriage, as homosexual relationships fall very neatly into preexisting monogamous marriage paradigms. As long as bigamous marriage is mandated by this proposal, the C.D.S.P. will actively seek to prevent this from passing at vote."

“What complications are you referring to? If one person is married to three people and they divorce both of them, why not divide the property into thirds. One third for each co-spouse and one third for their mutual spouse? Or is there an unrelated complication I’m not aware of.”

"As has been already explained, one cospouse stands to inherit despite no marital link between the decedent and the cospouse. It's been explained three times, ambassador. Perhaps you should try to follow along this time."

[The Turkmen Emirate]

“What complications are you referring to? If one person is married to three people and they divorce both of them, why not divide the property into thirds. One third for each co-spouse and one third for their mutual spouse? Or is there an unrelated complication I’m not aware of.”

"As has been already explained, one cospouse stands to inherit despite no marital link between the decedent and the cospouse. It's been explained three times, ambassador. Perhaps you should try to follow along this time."

“But they’re not inheriting directly from the other co-spouse are they? If so you can make a law saying they can only inherit from their spouse and family not from the other co-spouse. If you mean indirectly: inheriting from their spouse and with that spouse being legally obliged to support the co-spouse, how is that different from someone inheriting from their wife and using it to pay for tutors, for example, for their kids from another marriage (their wife’s step kids).”

[Separatist Peoples]

"As has been already explained, one cospouse stands to inherit despite no marital link between the decedent and the cospouse. It's been explained three times, ambassador. Perhaps you should try to follow along this time."

“But they’re not inheriting directly from the other co-spouse are they? If so you can make a law saying they can only inherit from their spouse and family not from the other co-spouse. If you mean indirectly: inheriting from their spouse and with that spouse being legally obliged to support the co-spouse, how is that different from someone inheriting from their wife and using it to pay for tutors, for example, for their kids from another marriage (their wife’s step kids).”

"Then you have another issue, which is diluting the estate among several dependants such that there is insufficient support of any of them. Worse, you now magnify the difficulty of equitable determinations in spousal shares, which many states have set statutorily to prevent a dependant spouse from destitution, regardless of the contents of a will. Further, a bigamous household has a more complicated roster of interests in divorce proceedings that virtually assures that proceedings are immensely more complicated. It is a simpler matter to consider the custodial parent between two individuals for child custody based on duties, but adding a third creates a more convoluted assessment.

"Ambassador, I suspect you simply lack the background in family law that is necessary to defend this. I suggest you reconsider. As it stands, this will not pass."

[The Turkmen Emirate]

"Then you have another issue, which is diluting the estate among several dependants such that there is insufficient support of any of them. Worse, you now magnify the difficulty of equitable determinations in spousal shares, which many states have set statutorily to prevent a dependant spouse from destitution, regardless of the contents of a will

“If a husband does not have sufficient financial resources to support a second wife, she.. uh,… any existing husband or wife can refuse to permit them to marry another person. Hence why I added in the part about consent of the existing spouse, regarding divorce processes being “more complicated”, civil rights should not be restricted simply so your judges have an easier job: that excuse is also used to justify the police not being regulated to ensure they treat citizens fairly.”

[The Turkmen Emirate]

this sort of changes I would still be strongly against. What about other people who have NO spouses? It's hard enough to see 1 spouse, but one with 8? Now that I feel is unbearable.

“I personally find the Incel movement weak, objectifying and usually a misogynistic ideology designed for weak men. Maybe you’re speaking of the femcel movement but despite not being misogynistic the other criticisms still apply.
Why does the WA go after religious conservatives for ‘oppressing’ people but allows people to restrict the choices of women in who they marry solely because some sad, usually male, loser blames them for their failures at life?”
-message from Emir Selim of the Turkmen Emirate

[The Turkmen Emirate]

Draft abandoned due to lack of support.

[Tinhampton]

Please mark your [abandoned] drafts accordingly so people don't get confused

[IdIoTs InC]

Great whomping bobula! Glad I'm not in the WA.