[DEFEATED] Paid Leave Act II (oh god theres another one)

[Confederation of South Africa]

No, it's sick of all the legislation (referring to the repeal of GA#527, replacement, and repeal of that replacement, to be then followed up with this replacement of the repealed replacement of the repealed GA#527).

I just hope that this legislation passes, and then gets repealed two resolutions later. It would at least give us a good laugh.

That would be a little trollish.

[Minskiev]

This has been submitted.

[Rick Perry]

SUPPORT

[Tinhampton]

This reached queue at 0340 GMT - eighty minutes before it would have dropped out - after it was approved by The Glorious Hypetrain of The Union of Democratic States. It will thus likely be voted on between the major updates of Friday 7th January and Tuesday 11th January.

AS OF 0740 GMT ON TUESDAY: Approvals: 56 out of 56 needed (Tinhampton, Andusre, Echoslavia, Ecclestia, AJ Empire, The Age of Utopia, Tau Ceti Omega, Embreydo, Calamari Lands, Antamaran, Repreteop, Lys Arva, Mikeswill, Ordivus, Creeperopolis, Silver-Tree, Sedgistan, Ostatlantik, The Unified Pumaxi, Albrook, Smiley Bob, Reultan, Tostandia, Wisea, Goatia, Wischland, Republic Of Ludwigsburg, USS Juneau, Ceneopia Hana, The Mtn Dew, The Communists of the Multiversal Empire, Thaelle, The Free Northern Isles, The Anarchist Federation of Spain, Teschnaia, The Andoran Empire ELARIA, Smanson, Baccalieu, New Strixica, Eastern Kodiak, Josephtan, Willtechia, Cheries, Battadia, Calnodia, Kyuxcy, Siochania, Qudrath, Foreignaid, The Hard Part, Budgie Snugglers, The Salaxalans, Saunderania, Zombiedolphins, Wadelhelpia, The Glorious Hypetrain)

[Minskiev]

Pulled to make some quick edits, will re-submit in morning.

[Tinhampton]

Pulled to make some quick edits, will re-submit in morning.

What edits and why? sincere question

[Minskiev]

Pulled to make some quick edits, will re-submit in morning.

What edits and why? sincere question

Changing some times, provisions, broadening coverage, etc

[Milorum]

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the General Assembly Resolution, "Paid Leave Act II".
Its reasoning may be found here.

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[Apatosaurus]

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the General Assembly Resolution, "Paid Leave Act II".
Its reasoning may be found here.

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Hmm. Honestly some good points. I was initially neutral as I was concerned by some provisions, but these are some very good points. I think I'm against this now.

[Amerion]

The South Pacific's World Assembly Delegation has cast the Coalition's vote AGAINST this proposed resolution, Paid Leave Act II, and warmly encourages fellow member regions to vote AGAINST.

[Berusturg]

The Federation of Berusturg is Against this proposal.

Our Federatives agree with Europeia's points on the flaws and exploitations that can be enabled should they accept this proposal.

[Untecna]

My official position on this proposal is Against. I see no need to instate a proposal with major issues.

[Rust]

The following is the Region of Pawnsilvania's Official Statement on "Paid Leave Act II"

Given the current lack of any comprehensive WA protections for paid leave, it strikes us as imperative that any bill offering reasonably concrete protection without any major risks or loopholes be passed with all due haste. We are increasingly frustrated by this body's insistence on repealing flawed policies before an improved version can take its place, to say nothing of the singularly-damaging tendency for our member nations to reject any proposal that has any level of coverage in preexisting legislation.

Mechanical systems require redundancy to be reliable; when a component in a redundant system fails, there are other components that can continue to perform the same function until the failed component can be fixed or replaced. Relying on one specific component to do one specific job is risky, to say the least, and inevitably doomed to fail. Why, then, do we insist on removing any "malfunctioning" component in our own system without having an adequate replacement readily available? All it does is ensure that, for the duration between removing the old component and painstakingly crafting and installing a new one to replace it, our system is doing NOTHING.

When a machine isn't working, it slows down work everywhere around it. In an industrial setting, that means reduced output. In governance, it means that an increased number of people who need the protection or assistance provided by the removed legislation aren't getting the help they need. As a result, people struggle, people suffer, and people die. Any political system that actively allows its constituents to suffer is definitionally failing in its role as a government; that axiom applies to the World Assembly every bit as much as it does to individual nations.

So, what does all this have to do with this bill, which Europeia has already denounced as "vague" and riddled with "loopholes"? Simply put, right now it's the only component we have to replace a component we cast aside. At worst, we should consider it a temporary fix until a new bill can be passed to patch this one's shortcomings. The fact remains that, right now, there is zero existing legislation covering paid leave. Anything is an improvement over nothing at all. To claim that this bill isn't worth voting for due to its flaws overlooks the fact that our current alternative is no bill at all. Our current alternative is complete and total failure.

The Region of Pawnsilvania recommends voting FOR this proposal. Further, the Rogue Nation of Rust humbly demands that, in future, any proposal to nullify preexisting legislation should either come after replacement legislation has already been ratified or be predicated on the idea that the original legislation was entirely unnecessary to begin with.

Release written and approved by the Regional Ministry of Public Relations on behalf of the nations and peoples of Pawnsilvania.

[Doge Land]

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So, what does all this have to do with this bill, which Europeia has already denounced as "vague" and riddled with "loopholes"? Simply put, right now it's the only component we have to replace a component we cast aside. At worst, we should consider it a temporary fix until a new bill can be passed to patch this one's shortcomings. The fact remains that, right now, there is zero existing legislation covering paid leave. Anything is an improvement over nothing at all. To claim that this bill isn't worth voting for due to its flaws overlooks the fact that our current alternative is no bill at all. Our current alternative is complete and total failure.
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What if, instead of putting in legislation that will be repealed later for better legislation, we just make the better legislation... now? (or just not waste our time passing legislation that will just be repealed later)

[Dawnkrest]

It's a sad day when a nation has to betray the vote of its confederation.

We, the council of Dawnkrest, commend the proposal and its writers for what they're trying to achieve. The rights of the common man are always at the forefront of our thoughts and law. However, upon reading closely the resolution, we've found a few reasons we can't in good conscience sign it.

Primarily, while the proposal at first details the ways in which the wellbeing of the worker is to be supported by the employer, it seems to turn later on into the sole, or at least primary, responsibility of the government. As a socialist nation, there's functionally no difference, but we fear that this allows our more... conservative neighbours the opportunity to further absolve the responsibilities of the private employer. Unless this was followed by an immediate amendment to stamp out this form of corporate dodging, the people of Dawnkrest cannot, and will not, support a proposal that can so easily be twisted into a tool against the working class.

Though we may be small, we felt we couldn't leave this probable loophole unmentioned.

With respect,

Lady Amarynth, Council Head

[Rust]

What if, instead of putting in legislation that will be repealed later for better legislation, we just make the better legislation... now? (or just not waste our time passing legislation that will just be repealed later)

Allow me to answer your question with another question: how, in the name of all that is right and just in the world, did you get that far into the statement without reading all the way through the part about citizens being unfairly and unduly harmed by the lack of protective legislation? This isn't arguments for the debate team, pal. Every measure we pass--or, more damningly, fail to pass--affects the lives of billions of real* people, and that's just in my tiny little podunk of a home region. The fact that you apparently think it's acceptable to leave an exponentially larger number of South Pacific's citizenry in the lurch like that doesn't speak well of you as a leader.

*[OOC: yes, okay, sure, those people don't exist and this is all a game, bro, but I'm leaning into the roleplay and, considering this entire site is dedicated to simulating national and international politics, somebody has to play the populist and advocate on behalf of the "people."]

[Outer Sparta]

What if, instead of putting in legislation that will be repealed later for better legislation, we just make the better legislation... now? (or just not waste our time passing legislation that will just be repealed later)

Allow me to answer your question with another question: how, in the name of all that is right and just in the world, did you get that far into the statement without reading all the way through the part about citizens being unfairly and unduly harmed by the lack of protective legislation? This isn't arguments for the debate team, pal. Every measure we pass--or, more damningly, fail to pass--affects the lives of billions of real* people, and that's just in my tiny little podunk of a home region. The fact that you apparently think it's acceptable to leave an exponentially larger number of South Pacific's citizenry in the lurch like that doesn't speak well of you as a leader.

*[OOC: yes, okay, sure, those people don't exist and this is all a game, bro, but I'm leaning into the roleplay and, considering this entire site is dedicated to simulating national and international politics, somebody has to play the populist and advocate on behalf of the "people."]

Have you read the various arguments as to why this is getting voted against?

[Caymarnia]

The following is released from the Caymarnian delegation:

Office of the President of the Caymarnian Democratic Republic

Since the Revolution that brought our government to power, we have made a point of ending our previous isolationism and becoming part of this far-reaching community. That being said, Caymarnia would never consider imposing our will upon others through legislation clearly best left to the prerogative of the member nations. Yet it is evident to me that this is the intent of the author of this proposal; while they have the right to legislate in their own borders as they see fit, they seek to force their desires upon the entire membership of the World Assembly. This is completely unacceptable.

I am sure that the proponents of such a measure would come back with some snappy answer like "if you don't like it, leave", or "this is how the world works". I will not dignify the former with a response, but to the latter, I will say simply that I disagree. There have certainly been a number of proposals that were shaped by the ideas of their architects, to be sure; however, they were crafted not with the purpose of imposing their way of life upon others, but the belief that it was for the benefit of their fellow beings. Even if we have disagreed with a proposal for our own reasons, we have rarely questioned the intentions of their proponents. This proposed resolution, however, is simply the selfish desire of its architect to impose their will upon the other nations of the Assembly. We do not accept this, and we will not accept this.

Therefore, in accordance with the unanimous vote of the National Council of the People's Will, and ratified by the Council of Ministers, I hereby charge our Ambassador to put his vote against this resolution.

Juan Carlos Madero
President of the Republic

[Rust]

Have you read the various arguments as to why this is getting voted against?

Yes, and they all ultimately boil down to "it's not absolutely perfect, therefore we shouldn't pass it." That's asinine reasoning for a proposal on an issue that is currently 100% unaddressed by preexisting legislation.

[Xanthorrhoea]

Have you read the various arguments as to why this is getting voted against?

Yes, and they all ultimately boil down to "it's not absolutely perfect, therefore we shouldn't pass it." That's asinine reasoning for a proposal on an issue that is currently 100% unaddressed by preexisting legislation.

Just for some context, the last two attempts at legislating on this topic were recently rapidly repealed and replaced for similar issues. If we approve another one, that’s just kicking the can down the road yet again. I for one would rather this was settled definitively at this point. It’s already a circus, it’s time to end this properly.

[Swaithlying]

I'm wholeheartedly FOR this, for the workers of the world must unite!

[Imperium Anglorum]

Yes, and they all ultimately boil down to "it's not absolutely perfect, therefore we shouldn't pass it." That's asinine reasoning for a proposal on an issue that is currently 100% unaddressed by preexisting legislation.

Just for some context, the last two attempts at legislating on this topic were recently rapidly repealed and replaced for similar issues. If we approve another one, that’s just kicking the can down the road yet again. I for one would rather this was settled definitively at this point. It’s already a circus, it’s time to end this properly.

C Marcius Blythe. We concur with this sentiment. At the point where we are in a circle of repeals and replacements, we really ought to put an end to it and get it done properly for the last time.

[Minskiev]

Final draft is in the works. Rewritten from the ground up. Will probably wait for a relatively long time.

[Tinhampton]

"Paid Leave Act II" was defeated 9,156 votes to 6,251. (40.57% support)