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by Tinhampton » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:53 am
by Terra Animo » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:02 am
Tinhampton wrote:The best way to ensure that your submitted proposal gets "full attention" is to run a telegram campaign.
Is there any reason why you can not just delay submission until after the election?
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:33 pm
Terra Animo wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:Most currency transfers are forward contracts. How would you manage that?
Forward contracts and their terms shall remain privatized. The transparency regarding said contracts amongst the participating parties should be furthered by the requirements of clearly posted rates, and forward contract participants shall too be offered a receipt (a clause I will insert.) But yeah, forward contracts shall remain a private contract.
Terra Animo wrote:Tinhampton wrote:The best way to ensure that your submitted proposal gets "full attention" is to run a telegram campaign.
Is there any reason why you can not just delay submission until after the election?
If need be I most certainly could delay, but it would definitely not be ideal.
by Terra Animo » Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:32 pm
So consumers will be forced to do comparisons against unfavourable spot prices rather than the actual rates at which currency transfers are done on the forward market. This is just great. Now the posted figures are actively misleading.
by Bananaistan » Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:38 pm
GAR#68 wrote:REQUIRES that no commerce be generally restricted by the WA unless:
1. Restricted by prior legislation, or
2. The enterprise causes an extreme hazard to national populations
by Terra Animo » Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:20 pm
Bananaistan wrote:OOC: This was submitted. I'm unsure if the first two preamble sentences outline enough of an "extreme hazard to national populations" per GAR#68:GAR#68 wrote:REQUIRES that no commerce be generally restricted by the WA unless:
1. Restricted by prior legislation, or
2. The enterprise causes an extreme hazard to national populations
Thoughts?
by Bears Armed » Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:28 pm
Bananaistan wrote:OOC: This was submitted. I'm unsure if the first two preamble sentences outline enough of an "extreme hazard to national populations" per GAR#68:GAR#68 wrote:REQUIRES that no commerce be generally restricted by the WA unless:
1. Restricted by prior legislation, or
2. The enterprise causes an extreme hazard to national populations
Thoughts?
by Insidium » Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:53 pm
Bananaistan wrote:REQUIRES that no commerce be generally restricted by the WA unless:
1. Restricted by prior legislation, or
2. The enterprise causes an extreme hazard to national populations
Thoughts?
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:14 pm
Terra Animo wrote:So consumers will be forced to do comparisons against unfavourable spot prices rather than the actual rates at which currency transfers are done on the forward market. This is just great. Now the posted figures are actively misleading.
I would like to refute such a claim ... said approximations will include any knowledge they posses on both the spot exchanges, as well as forward contracts, both active and past, meaning that in no way will the consumer be mislead.
by Terra Animo » Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:36 pm
by Outer Sparta » Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:40 pm
Terra Animo wrote:Bananaistan wrote:OOC: This was submitted. I'm unsure if the first two preamble sentences outline enough of an "extreme hazard to national populations" per GAR#68:
Thoughts?
I most certainly think it would qualify for such. A lack of transparency regarding what a consumer is purchasing (or in this case exchanging for) can most certainly pose and extreme hazard. Imagine someone travels from one nation with tight wraps on all foreign happenings, to another nation of similar standing. That person has no clue what the real value of each currency is, and could thus be charged ludicrous amounts for a low-worth currency, to the point of possible ruining them financially without them even knowing it.
Imagine again that you have arrived to a nation and are at the airport. A person ask you if you need your currency exchanged, you reply yes and he offers you what sound like a lot of currency for just 10 of your currency, swearing that it is a great deal. You accept, not knowing where else you would have gotten currency, but come to find out, they gave you 1/10th of what you deserve.
This list of examples like these where people could be financially ruined by exchanges, especially in developing nations.
EDIT:In summation, being able to financially ruin an individual by insuring their ignorance on the transactions seems like an extreme hazard to me.
EDIT: One could also argue that this would not restrict commerce in any way, simply alter the way it is done. As the act does not put any limits on the commerce of currency exchange itself, simply forces transparency regarding the commerce.
by Bears Armed » Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:14 am
Insidium wrote:Bananaistan wrote:Thoughts?
Personally, it's a little bit of a stretch to call the proposed rules "restrictions" — most of what it does is require currency exchanges to display their prices in a prominent location. It certainly doesn't restrict currency exchanges from exchanging currency.
by Terra Animo » Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:25 am
I would like to know why you submitted it this early. As things stand, definitely opposed.
by Apatosaurus » Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:34 pm
by Terra Animo » Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:48 pm
Apatosaurus wrote:Why is the list item on 1. smaller text than the others?
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This is either some of the best in-character work I’ve seen in a long time. Or absolute spam. I can’t decide which. Having looked at your other posts on other threads, I still can’t decide if it is or isn’t.
by Insidium » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:11 pm
Bears Armed wrote:Insidium wrote:Personally, it's a little bit of a stretch to call the proposed rules "restrictions" — most of what it does is require currency exchanges to display their prices in a prominent location. It certainly doesn't restrict currency exchanges from exchanging currency.
OOC: Agreed... and in the past, as I recall, we've interpreted the "generally" part of "generally restrict" as indicating a more-or-less total restriction. I'll mark this as legal.
by Bears Armed » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:23 pm
Insidium wrote:Bears Armed wrote:OOC: Agreed... and in the past, as I recall, we've interpreted the "generally" part of "generally restrict" as indicating a more-or-less total restriction. I'll mark this as legal.
This raises another point, though. GenSec marked one recent proposal as illegal partly because proposals with an Area of Effect instead of a Strength were to be treated as if they had a Strength of "Significant," and it didn't do enough to qualify for that. Does this apply to this proposal, given the few (if any) real restrictions brought by the proposed rules?
by Terra Animo » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:56 pm
This raises another point, though. GenSec marked one recent proposal as illegal partly because proposals with an Area of Effect instead of a Strength were to be treated as if they had a Strength of "Significant," and it didn't do enough to qualify for that. Does this apply to this proposal, given the few (if any) real restrictions brought by the proposed rules?
by Terra Animo » Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:02 pm
Ummm... Thinking about this.
('Regulation' being one of the newest categories means that there isn't much precedent specifically for this category, and I don't know what the relevant Stat effects are, so it's hard to tell...)
by Greater Cesnica » Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:17 pm
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by Terra Animo » Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:37 pm
It's refreshing to see honesty like this. I hope you realize that submitting this at this stage yields absolutely no benefits for you, and just screws you over. Not only is there insufficient drafting here, there's insufficient basic quality control judging by the numerous grammatical errors that are plainly visible within the text. Furthermore, your blatant willingness to ignore convention to rush your proposal will result in people being less willing to support your proposals in the future.
I would pull the proposal before it hits vote if I were you. If you do take my advice, you need to be drafting for at least weeks to improve this.
by Greater Cesnica » Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:58 pm
Terra Animo wrote:It's refreshing to see honesty like this. I hope you realize that submitting this at this stage yields absolutely no benefits for you, and just screws you over. Not only is there insufficient drafting here, there's insufficient basic quality control judging by the numerous grammatical errors that are plainly visible within the text. Furthermore, your blatant willingness to ignore convention to rush your proposal will result in people being less willing to support your proposals in the future.
I would pull the proposal before it hits vote if I were you. If you do take my advice, you need to be drafting for at least weeks to improve this.
I genuinely appreciate the comments. With regards to the overall proposal, this whole ordeal has been quite enlightening. In the future my process shall most certainly look differently than it has this time. In truth this has been quite a draining and absorbing endeavor, and I plan on taking a lengthy hiatus before even drafting a future proposal I have in mind. Lastly, with regards to pulling the proposal, my bed has already been made, if confirmed to be legal I have no objections to it reaching the voting floor.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Greater Cesnica » Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:21 pm
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
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