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Postby Apatosaurus » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:09 pm

or any higher limits that the World Assembly may subsequently set for their respective conditions if their contract employs them for at least twelve weeks longer than the minimum duration of the worker's respective condition, or at least sixteen weeks in total if the paid leave has no predefined duration

Uh... what... my brain...
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Postby Alpinumtia » Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:09 pm

i may be kind of braindead right now but i am quite confused with some of the definitions
or a job with a similar salary, field of work, necessary skill set, set of employment benefits, work schedule, and work location now and for the foreseeable future;

but what difference does this have from getting fired and finding another employer to work with?
can someone explain to me
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Postby Unified Communist Councils » Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:12 am

The Secretariats of the five Labour Committees, in conducting a public consensus with their electorate bases, wholeheartedly endorse the Paid Leave Act. Ambassador Kim Dokja encourages that other nations of the World Assembly entitle their workers to greater protection from the contradictions inherent to capitalism.
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Postby Unified Communist Councils » Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:15 am

Alpinumtia wrote:i may be kind of braindead right now but i am quite confused with some of the definitions
or a job with a similar salary, field of work, necessary skill set, set of employment benefits, work schedule, and work location now and for the foreseeable future;

but what difference does this have from getting fired and finding another employer to work with?
can someone explain to me


The section on job security guarantees the workers protection within their own industries where their qualifications are rather interchangeable (I.e. Accountant transitioning into a Chief Financial Officer vs Economist gets fired and gets hired as a technician within the oil industry).
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Postby Minskiev » Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:31 am

Apatosaurus wrote:
or any higher limits that the World Assembly may subsequently set for their respective conditions if their contract employs them for at least twelve weeks longer than the minimum duration of the worker's respective condition, or at least sixteen weeks in total if the paid leave has no predefined duration

Uh... what... my brain...

Let’s break it down. (Not trying to be snarky fwiw)

Or any higher (minimums) that may be subsequently set

[grant workers a minimum of the following durations of paid leave] for their respective conditions

if their contract employs them for at least twelve weeks longer than their minimum

or sixteen weeks total if their leave has no set duration
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Postby Feyrisshire » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:33 am

3. Forbids member states and employers from terminating employment, reducing benefits or compensation, or disciplining any worker because they filed for paid leave, and additionally forbids employers from terminating the employment of a worker while they are on paid leave,
4. Declares that a worker must give sufficient notice to their employer if they foresee any future events, or an event has occurred where giving advance notice was implausible, if those events should induce a worker to obtain paid leave,


In our discussions in our region we have found a potential loophole in Articles 3 and 4. Whilst Article 3 forbids the termination of employees on filing on paid leave or while on paid leave, there is no such ban on the termination of an employee before filing for paid leave (i.e time most likely to file for paid leave).

But Article 4 mandates employees to "give sufficient notice" to their employer upon foreseeing future events likely to induce them to file for paid leave, meaning that employers likely have advance knowledge of when or who are employees likely to file for paid leave (even more so that all big employers have HR of any kind). Meaning that employers can still terminate, or reduce benefits or compensation of employees who are likely to file for paid leave, which they happen to know due to the requirement in Article 4.

5. Allows any employer of a worker filing for paid leave to require that worker's first member state of citizenship to provide any financial compensation throughout that paid leave if the employer employs less than fifty workers, and


This is particularly worrying and uncalled for, especially as this wasn't even present in your previous drafts and does not solve any loopholes or problems but simply introduce a new one.

Considering that lots of workers are either non-citizen migrant workers or residents working with an in-universe equivalent of a worker visa, then this would basically give the right to small business owners to require other countries to pay subsidies to them.

The wording "first member state of citizenship" is even more problematic, as it seems that even for naturalized citizen, it is still the first member state which they got citizenship from (jus sanguinis, esp. in GA#552) that have to pay financial compensation to employers in another country.

More worrying is that since a lot of migrant workers tend to be from more impoverished or developing countries, Article 5 would basically give a right to small businesses in developed nations to ask for subsidies from impoverished countries.

We have a problematic rider here in a legislation that was supposed to be about paid leave.

Voted AGAINST just for this one.

OOC: For an absurd RL example, this would be like India or Philippines paying for Filipino and Indian migrant workers' paid leaves for small businesses in Canada and the US.
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Postby Chairman Cities » Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:04 pm

After Reading It Seems Like A Sure Win. :clap: :bow:

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Postby Grande Reino de Albion » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:19 am

Bom dia.

Parece ser uma solução para trabalhadores apenas pois as empresas têm que suportar o pagamento de salários de quem não produz, eu digo isto principalmente pelos subsídios de paternidade doenças etc etc, pois as férias deve ser a entidade patronal a suportar, mas o restante deverá ser suportado pelo estado.
Caso não retifiquem de forma a assegurar a sustentabilidade das empresas nosso voto será contra.

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Postby Grande Reino de Albion » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:20 am

As férias devem ser suportadas pela empresa o restante pelo estado.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:09 am

Grande Reino de Albion wrote:Bom dia.

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:42 am

Minskiev wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:I don't know what it means to provide workers a limit on their paid leave. Is it really "providing" them anything to set a maximum on the duration of their paid leave?


Limits aren’t necessarily maximums.

There's no other colorable interpretation to it, in this case.
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Postby Kumbarland » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:39 pm

The nation of Kumbarland is ecstatic at hearing the news that the "Paid Leave" Act has been reconsidered and will likely be passed into international law. Our nation has already cast our "For" vote a few days ago. This will be a major win for our nation's workforce and the workforce of the world, granting the rights that workers in my and other nations so desperately need. With a failed domestic effort and massive protests against the richest industries in our nation, we can't wait to see the numerous benefits this bill will provide to our nation and the world.

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Postby Grande Reino de Albion » Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:55 pm

It seems to be a solution for workers only, as companies have to apply the payment of wages to those who do not produce? I say this mainly for the sickness paternity benefits etc. must be allowed by the state.
If they do not rectify them in a way, in order to guarantee the sustainability of the companies, our vote will be against.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:31 am

I think the points made below (excerpted) are decent ones on the proposal:

Feyrisshire wrote:
5. Allows any employer of a worker filing for paid leave to require that worker's first member state of citizenship to provide any financial compensation throughout that paid leave if the employer employs less than fifty workers, and

... Considering that lots of workers are either non-citizen migrant workers or residents working with an in-universe equivalent of a worker visa, then this would basically give the right to small business owners to require other countries to pay subsidies to them.

The wording "first member state of citizenship" is even more problematic, as it seems that even for naturalized citizen, it is still the first member state which they got citizenship from (jus sanguinis, esp. in GA#552) that have to pay financial compensation to employers in another country...

OOC: For an absurd RL example, this would be like India or Philippines paying for Filipino and Indian migrant workers' paid leaves for small businesses in Canada and the US.

Though I wouldn't have characterised it as "absurd": it would be expected that nations would want to buckpass and minimise burdens on their own finances using means permitted by law.

Secondarily, on the topic of the 50 employee limit. It should be no surprise to anyone that because one create new companies, there is substantial bunching at 49 employees in jurisdictions which use a 50-employee decision rule. In fact, the bunching is substantial enough that it draws international attention. There is a strong discontinuous adjustment to costs, which means "France holds the curious distinction of having more than twice as many companies with exactly 49 employees, as it does those with 50 or more". It's frankly not a surprising result. A phased-out support scheme would minimise bunching while balancing costs to expansion and direct fiscal costs. Otherwise the policy falls into the same class of problem where program cut-offs strand people into making inefficient decisions.

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Postby Sonakion » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:01 am

There isn't enough information provided on what happens if a employer cant meet the paid leave demands.
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