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[DRAFT #2b] Repeal GA#579 "Promoting Dem. Stability Act"

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Anne of Cleves in TNP
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Postby Anne of Cleves in TNP » Sat May 21, 2022 7:15 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Smith: To steal a turn of phrase from Lydia, please read the extracts you quoted again. WA regulation of elections - and, for that matter, WA regulation of anything - is an immunity recognised by international law, and widely accepted to be such by ambassadors more experienced than I.
Regarding non-discrimination for non-voters, the now-retired Ambassador van Rooy admitted that compulsory voting was a meaning, but not an intended meaning, of Article 2c.
Regarding the disenfranchisement of non-property-owners, it is clear that property ownership is a non-immutable characteristic. Therefore, if it is to be protected by Article 2d, it must be a class that is "protected under national or international law." Since no "international law" bars discrimination on the grounds of property ownership status, the task of such protection falls to member states. There is no guarantee that member states will introduce this protection, and thus no guarantee that - as my Tepertopian friend and I make clear - they will not "arbitrarily and capriciously disenfranchise non-landowners."
Regarding factchecking of manifestos, that is typically the job of the news media and concerned civil society organisations - it is, at least, in Tinhampton. I see no need to clarify who should take over the job in this proposal; if I did, I would almost certainly be legislating in a repeal.

*sighs to herself* “Mein Gott (My God), I should have reconsidered my decision to use GAR#2 to my advantage. But my point still stands, the WA has never held the power to interfere in national elections. Say for example, her highness decides to abdicate on her own will. That’s fine. But if WA forces come knocking on the door of her castle and force her to resign, now that’s just wrong. You get the point, the WA being bestowed such sweeping powers to interfere with strictly-national matters is not right.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat May 21, 2022 7:41 pm

Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:*sighs to herself* “Mein Gott (My God), I should have reconsidered my decision to use GAR#2 to my advantage. But my point still stands, the WA has never held the power to interfere in national elections. Say for example, her highness decides to abdicate on her own will. That’s fine. But if WA forces come knocking on the door of her castle and force her to resign, now that’s just wrong. You get the point, the WA being bestowed such sweeping powers to interfere with strictly-national matters is not right.”

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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 22, 2022 12:24 am

2(a) and 2(b) are also quite poorly thought out. Not only is the secret ballot not nearly as essential to democracy as it assumes, but it can actively harm democracy in many circumstances. For instance, they prohibit member states from requiring elected representatives to disclose their votes in a legislative body, and prohibit that legislative body from recording which representatives voted which way. This renders representatives totally unaccountable to those who elect them, as they can quite simply vote however they want and then lie as is convenient to them come reelection, with no way for their constituents to find out.
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Anne of Cleves in TNP
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Postby Anne of Cleves in TNP » Sun May 22, 2022 5:45 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:*sighs to herself* “Mein Gott (My God), I should have reconsidered my decision to use GAR#2 to my advantage. But my point still stands, the WA has never held the power to interfere in national elections. Say for example, her highness decides to abdicate on her own will. That’s fine. But if WA forces come knocking on the door of her castle and force her to resign, now that’s just wrong. You get the point, the WA being bestowed such sweeping powers to interfere with strictly-national matters is not right.”

C Marcius Blythe. Why?

“Because, ambassador, it is my belief that nations have the full right to run their process of determining the ruler and regulate said process on their own terms, without any outside influence to decide how the process is regulated. Thus, the argument against article 5 completely violates this right that I believe every nation has.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire
IC Name: The Clevesian Empire
Capital: New Cleves
Leader: Empress Anne of Cleves III
Failed WA Proposals: “Repeal: Comfortable Pillows for All Protocol”
IC WA Minister: Lady Charlotte Schafer
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon May 23, 2022 4:37 am

Now with up to 19% fewer words!

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