[DRAFT] Ban Whaling in International Waters

[Onionist Randosia]

I hate to break it to you, but it won’t make any difference. Banning whaling in international waters is impossible as the WA cannot affect non-member nations, which outnumber WA nations by about 5-1.

While an outright ban is probably not within WA remit, nothing prevents a similar clause to that which encourages nations to actively fight piracy in international waters (OP: see clauses 5-6 for inspiration in this area).

I may redraft this as something regarding "Combating Illegal Activity in International Waters". However, whaling would not be illegal unless this passes

[Texkentuck]

This Proposal is reasonable. Our nation is dedicated to protecting the Whales. We will more and likely vote for your proposal when it reaches the WA. It's a real international proposal.....

Pres. Bram W. Schirkophf
UCCR
Texkentuck

[Abacathea]

While an outright ban is probably not within WA remit, nothing prevents a similar clause to that which encourages nations to actively fight piracy in international waters (OP: see clauses 5-6 for inspiration in this area).

I may redraft this as something regarding "Combating Illegal Activity in International Waters". However, whaling would not be illegal unless this passes

Just remember international piracy legislation is still on the books to my knowledge. It may cover a lot of what you’d possibly intend to cover.

[Onionist Randosia]

I may redraft this as something regarding "Combating Illegal Activity in International Waters". However, whaling would not be illegal unless this passes

Just remember international piracy legislation is still on the books to my knowledge. It may cover a lot of what you’d possibly intend to cover.

True.

[Onionist Randosia]

This Proposal is reasonable. Our nation is dedicated to protecting the Whales. We will more and likely vote for your proposal when it reaches the WA. It's a real international proposal.....

Pres. Bram W. Schirkophf
UCCR
Texkentuck

Thank you for your support. But I may not actually end up submitting it.

[Onionist Randosia]

Maybe have something about getting whaling classified as piracy?

[Bears Armed]

Maybe have something about getting whaling classified as piracy?

OOC: You can't amend the definitions of 'piracy' & 'international piracy' given in GAR#20 by using a clause in a new proposal to do so.
Simply saying that whaling [in international waters, beyond EEZs] must be treated in the same way as piracy would have to be worded carefully to avoid falling foul of the 'House Of Cards' rule, and would run into the problem that because of how GAR#20 says that pirates are to be charge & [if convicted] punished any member nations in which whaling is actually legal would still be under no obligation to charged whalers with anything. So, I think that you'd be better off continuing to treat it separately from piracy.

EDIT: minor typo fixed, no change to meaning.

[Bananaistan]

Thus, the General Assembly bans whaling in international waters.

OOC: This is problematic regarding the metagaming rule IMO. The GA cannot legislate for non-members which might be whaling in international waters. The most it can do IMO is ban member states and any individuals and organisations under the jurisdiction of member states from whaling in international waters

[Countesia]

I have only skim read this draft, but it appears to me there is no provisions for communities that have historically relied on whaling for sustenance.

I understand this may be exploited as a loophole, but it should permit nations the ability to hand out small to medium scale quotas to communities that possess little in the way of agriculture.

[Bears Armed]

I have only skim read this draft, but it appears to me there is no provisions for communities that have historically relied on whaling for sustenance.

I understand this may be exploited as a loophole, but it should permit nations the ability to hand out small to medium scale quotas to communities that possess little in the way of agriculture.

That sort of community would probably do its whaling within their home nations' own territorial waters & 'Exclusive Economic Zones', where existing resolutions (#199 'Sustainable Fishing Act' & #267 'Sensible Limits on Hunting') mean that this proposed one can't take effect.

[Onionist Randosia]

Maybe have something about getting whaling classified as piracy?

OOC: You can't amend the definitions of 'piracy' & 'international piracy' given in GAR#20 by using a clause in a new proposal to do so.
Simply saying that whaling [in international waters, beyond EEZs] must be treated in the same way as piracy would have to be worded carefully to avoid falling foul of the 'House Of Cards' rule, and would run into the problem that because of how GAR#20 says that pirates are to be charge & [if convicted] punished any member nations in which whaling is actually legal would still be under no obligation to charged whalers with anything. So, I think that you'd be better off continuing to treat it separately from piracy.

EDIT: minor typo fixed, no change to meaning.

Ok. I could also do a proposal about preventing bycatch.

[WayNeacTia]

OOC: You can't amend the definitions of 'piracy' & 'international piracy' given in GAR#20 by using a clause in a new proposal to do so.
Simply saying that whaling [in international waters, beyond EEZs] must be treated in the same way as piracy would have to be worded carefully to avoid falling foul of the 'House Of Cards' rule, and would run into the problem that because of how GAR#20 says that pirates are to be charge & [if convicted] punished any member nations in which whaling is actually legal would still be under no obligation to charged whalers with anything. So, I think that you'd be better off continuing to treat it separately from piracy.

EDIT: minor typo fixed, no change to meaning.

Ok. I could also do a proposal about preventing bycatch.

It really seems like you are grasping at straws here. Pick a subject you are actually passionate about and write about it, instead of firing ideas at the wall to see what sticks.

[Outer Sparta]

OOC: You can't amend the definitions of 'piracy' & 'international piracy' given in GAR#20 by using a clause in a new proposal to do so.
Simply saying that whaling [in international waters, beyond EEZs] must be treated in the same way as piracy would have to be worded carefully to avoid falling foul of the 'House Of Cards' rule, and would run into the problem that because of how GAR#20 says that pirates are to be charge & [if convicted] punished any member nations in which whaling is actually legal would still be under no obligation to charged whalers with anything. So, I think that you'd be better off continuing to treat it separately from piracy.

EDIT: minor typo fixed, no change to meaning.

Ok. I could also do a proposal about preventing bycatch.

Will that be in international waters because the GA feedback you have gotten is that you cannot legislate with international waters.

[Onionist Randosia]

It wouldn't have to be in international waters as the methods of preventing bycatch (tori lines, bait containers, species-specific bait) would not obstruct legal fishing in any way.

[Avztralia]

Agree on banning wales.