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Discarded [DRAFT] Repeal GA#4

Postby Thebeytopia » Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:30 am

I am currently drafting a proposal to repeal GA#4, this is what I wrote about it:

Applauding the idea and concept behind GA#4.

Recognizing, though, that the resolution itself could be written in a clearer way that would leave less space for malevolent misinterpretation especially for the following reasons:
1) Article A allows to the single nation to decide autonomously the age of majority at which its citizens are able to work, rendering the entire resolution essentially useless as it makes it possible for any state to allow child labor by setting embarrassingly low "age of majority".
2) Article B section 1 is essentially too vague to serve any purpose as it does not even attempt to define both "physical" and "psychological" abuse.
3) Article B section 7 does not define at all what "long hours" or "full time education" thus once again leaving space for malevolent misinterpretation.
4) Article D does not define what "age of consent" means, wether it is the same as the "age of majority" and who gets to set it and is consequently useless and inapplicable.

Believing that a resolution for the protection of children is necessary but that GA#4 is not suited for that important task and that a new, better worded, resolution will need to be passed soon

The World Assembly hereby repeals GA#4 "Restrictions On Child Labor"

I am completely open to feedback so if you believe something might need to be changed please tell me and we'll see what we can do about it.

P.S.: Due to my ineptitude I initially posted this directly to the General Assembly without drafting, realized my mistake I deleted it and am now drafting it.
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:26 am

Thebeytopia wrote:...if you believe something might need to be changed...

The fact that you submitted this before drafting it. :P
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Postby Arpasia » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:29 am

Uhhh... I think this proposal is hastily made, which would explain the lack of any [BRACKETED TEXT] or Draft Numbers...
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Postby Thebeytopia » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:39 am

Arpasia wrote:
Uhhh... I think this proposal is hastily made, which would explain the lack of any [BRACKETED TEXT] or Draft Numbers...
-Official statement from Natanaël Bonhomme, President of The Democratic Federation Arpasia

It is my first ever proposal, I know it probably will never get passed but I am learning and hopefully the next one will be better. That said please note it is not at all something I wrote in ten minutes and I actually put quite a bit of effort in it but I am just getting familiar with the process.

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Postby Thebeytopia » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:40 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Thebeytopia wrote:...if you believe something might need to be changed...

The fact that you submitted this before drafting it. :P

I'm not really familiar with the process so I just followed all mandatory rules. Am I still in time to "draft" it? If so you mind helping me out?

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:41 am

"Ambassador, please withdraw the proposal and actually stick to drafting here first."
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Postby Thebeytopia » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:44 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:"Ambassador, please withdraw the proposal and actually stick to drafting here first."

Of course, I am just not familiar with the whole process. So do I just delete the proposal and re-post it here with the [DRAFT] tag in the title?

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:02 am

Thebeytopia wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:"Ambassador, please withdraw the proposal and actually stick to drafting here first."

Of course, I am just not familiar with the whole process. So do I just delete the proposal and re-post it here with the [DRAFT] tag in the title?

"Well, now that you've figured out how to delete it yourself, you would maintain the draft in this forum thread, in the OP. Make any changes necessary, listen to feedback. Also, keep a history of the different iterations of your draft."
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Postby Bananaistan » Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:43 am

"This repeal draft concentrates on non-issues and doesn't actually address the significant problem with the target which is the blanket prohibition of apprenticeships in teenage years below the age of majority. Furthermore, even outside the remit of formal apprenticeships, as part of learning how to do any job, teenagers should be able to receive instruction in the use of dangerous machinery etc and how to carry heavy things.

"A further problem is the inference that sending adults into jobs that might kill them is just fine and dandy.

"Realistically, no nation, reasonable or otherwise, will drop their age of majority to a ridiculously low age in order to avoid the requirements of the target. In any case, the WA cannot mandate a specific age of majority under existing legislation (GAR#299), nor should it if this other legislation did not exist.

"Physical abuse and psychological abuse are easily understood terms that do not require definition and it's far better to allow member state's law and legal systems deal with such minutiae anyway. This also applies to "long hours", "full time education", and "age of consent".

"Other legislation (GAR#383) mandates that member states must set a realistic age of consent while GAR#299 would also prevent the WA from setting this."

OOC: A log of changes and previous drafts is not essential. A link to the target in your OP is essential.
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Postby Thebeytopia » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:16 am

Bananaistan wrote:"This repeal draft concentrates on non-issues and doesn't actually address the significant problem with the target which is the blanket prohibition of apprenticeships in teenage years below the age of majority. Furthermore, even outside the remit of formal apprenticeships, as part of learning how to do any job, teenagers should be able to receive instruction in the use of dangerous machinery etc and how to carry heavy things.

"A further problem is the inference that sending adults into jobs that might kill them is just fine and dandy.

"Realistically, no nation, reasonable or otherwise, will drop their age of majority to a ridiculously low age in order to avoid the requirements of the target. In any case, the WA cannot mandate a specific age of majority under existing legislation (GAR#299), nor should it if this other legislation did not exist.

"Physical abuse and psychological abuse are easily understood terms that do not require definition and it's far better to allow member state's law and legal systems deal with such minutiae anyway. This also applies to "long hours", "full time education", and "age of consent".

"Other legislation (GAR#383) mandates that member states must set a realistic age of consent while GAR#299 would also prevent the WA from setting this."

OOC: A log of changes and previous drafts is not essential. A link to the target in your OP is essential.

What can I say, you completely convinced me about the fact the law is appropriate and my resolution is not actually necessary. I am not convinced though about the fact that it harms apprenticeships and as such I am no more willing to purse the repealance of GA#4. If you do believe it is appropriate for it to be repealed I wish you luck but, that said, my journey writing this resolution likely ends here.

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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:22 pm

Reads an awful lot like a badge hunt to me.

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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:06 pm

This proposal was withdrawn, not mod-discarded. :P
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Authorships & co-authorships: SC#250, SC#251, Issue #1115, SC#267, GA#484, GA#491, GA#533, GA#540, GA#549, SC#356, GA#559, GA#562, GA#567, GA#578, SC#374, GA#582, SC#375, GA#589, GA#590, SC#382, SC#385*, GA#597, GA#607, SC#415, GA#647, GA#656, GA#664
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Postby Goobergunchia » Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:11 pm

Tinhampton wrote:This proposal was withdrawn, not mod-discarded. :P

I think that's obvious enough from context without mod-editing the thread title. :p
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