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by Texkentuck » Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:33 am

by The North Polish Union » Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:52 am
Tinfect wrote:"The Imperium is opposed." Said Feren, eliciting a gasp from a nondescript Imperial aide, "On this matter the clear benefits of established means of international cooperation and authority clearly outweigh concerns of absolute border impermeability; none of the concerns raised within this draft, those being that it is a potentially unwieldy piece of legislation, are so much as founded, much less so concerning as to justify its repeal.
To clarify, the Target requires Member-States to provide samples to World Assembly authorities such that research and control efforts may be adequately established throughout Member-States; clause four, if you've not read it. Such is not reflected in the later legislation cited, and the repeal would thus risk Member-States finding information relevant to certain epidemics inaccessible at critical juncture, delaying effective response, and potentially causing dramatic loss of life. Civil Oversight is of the opinion that the current Legislation is, if anything, insufficient in this objective, not overbroad. There is therefore, no reason to repeal it on grounds both utterly unfounded, and counter to the objectives of epidemic control."
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

by Tinfect » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:06 am
The North Polish Union wrote:"As we stated previously, we would not be opposed to a replacement for the ERA that avoided the clauses which grant EPARC excessive power and create, at the very least, an appearance of corruption. While GA Resolution № 320 does not explicitly require member states to provide samples to World Assembly authorities such that research and control efforts may be adequately established, it does require that nations faced with a public health crisis 'Seek expert medical counsel to determine necessary medical precautions', which can easily be read as requiring member states to provide samples to the extent that 'expert medical counsel' becomes possible. We would ask the Representative from Tinfect to reconsider opposition in light of these facts."
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by The North Polish Union » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:42 pm
Tinfect wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:"As we stated previously, we would not be opposed to a replacement for the ERA that avoided the clauses which grant EPARC excessive power and create, at the very least, an appearance of corruption. While GA Resolution № 320 does not explicitly require member states to provide samples to World Assembly authorities such that research and control efforts may be adequately established, it does require that nations faced with a public health crisis 'Seek expert medical counsel to determine necessary medical precautions', which can easily be read as requiring member states to provide samples to the extent that 'expert medical counsel' becomes possible. We would ask the Representative from Tinfect to reconsider opposition in light of these facts."
"The appearance of corruption, Ambassador? I can only assume that this is meant to refer to the 'further noting' clause within the draft, - unless, of course, you intend to make an argument unstated in the draft, - in which case, I would ask you to read the target legislation; Clause Six applies exclusively to recommendations of travel restrictions. Clause Three holds absolutely no binding power. Perhaps I should have stated it more clearly the first time; your repeal fundamentally misreads the target. Its argumentation is entirely unfounded.
Tinfect wrote:As for your, 'interpretation', of Resolution Three-Hundred-Twenty; yes it may be read as requiring such, but such would be a reading in violation of Resolution Nine. In other words, a reach; quite far from any mandate which can adequately account for the mandates of Resolution Fifty-Three. The Imperium, for example, would interpret the clause as requiring no more than that the Imperium ensure that the appropriate Imperial authorities are involved in containment and treatment efforts. Such is all but certain to be the case among the vast majority of Member-States.
There is nothing to reconsider. Your argumentation is entirely unfounded, and subsequent legislation does not adequately overtake the role of the target. We see no reason for repeal."
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

by Tinfect » Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:13 pm
The North Polish Union wrote:"Perhaps we should've been more clear as well then. The North Polish Union makes no objection to Section 3 of the ERA and would not oppose a replacement for the ERA that reinstated the requirements of Section 3. Our objections center around Section 6, which we agree applies to travel restrictions. It gives no limit on EPARC's ability to impose such travel restrictions, even in cases where they may not necessarily benefit the common good. As WA resolutions cannot be amended, the only option is to repeal the ERA so that it might later be replaced by a resolution that limits EPARC's power; whether that resolution is written by us or some other nation remains to be seen."
The North Polish Union wrote:"As for this argument, it seems to rely on a faulty interpretation of GA Resolution № 9, which prohibits torture. [snip]"
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by The North Polish Union » Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:13 am
Tinfect wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:"Perhaps we should've been more clear as well then. The North Polish Union makes no objection to Section 3 of the ERA and would not oppose a replacement for the ERA that reinstated the requirements of Section 3. Our objections center around Section 6, which we agree applies to travel restrictions. It gives no limit on EPARC's ability to impose such travel restrictions, even in cases where they may not necessarily benefit the common good. As WA resolutions cannot be amended, the only option is to repeal the ERA so that it might later be replaced by a resolution that limits EPARC's power; whether that resolution is written by us or some other nation remains to be seen."
"This of course, relies on the assumption that World Assembly organizations are incapable of assessing the viability of travel restrictions prior to recommending them. There is no reason to believe that."
The North Polish Union wrote:Even if EPARC is 'perfect' and never engages in [inappropriate] behavior, the mere existence of an agency with such a sweeping mandate not only creates exceptionally bad optics for the WA, it also may give individuals living in WA member-states concern that their ability to move about and travel may be restricted arbitrarily by an unelected supernational body. It is well known that not just corruption, but also the appearance of corruption is enough to damage or destroy trust in a governing body; and we believe that the ERA creates precisely such an appearance with the powers it grants EPRAC.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

by Araraukar » Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:14 am
The North Polish Union wrote:"This line of reasoning was already addressed previously:The North Polish Union wrote:Even if EPARC is 'perfect' and never engages in [inappropriate] behavior, the mere existence of an agency with such a sweeping mandate not only creates exceptionally bad optics for the WA
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by The North Polish Union » Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:16 am
Araraukar wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:"This line of reasoning was already addressed previously:
"If that is your concern, you should worry far more about the committees with ill-defined mandates and far more reaching powers. They are found in various resolutions. The committee in the target of this repeal has practically no power at all, compared to that of many others."
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

by Tinfect » Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:50 pm
The North Polish Union wrote:"This line of reasoning was already addressed previously:The North Polish Union wrote:Even if EPARC is 'perfect' and never engages in [inappropriate] behavior, the mere existence of an agency with such a sweeping mandate not only creates exceptionally bad optics for the WA, it also may give individuals living in WA member-states concern that their ability to move about and travel may be restricted arbitrarily by an unelected supernational body. It is well known that not just corruption, but also the appearance of corruption is enough to damage or destroy trust in a governing body; and we believe that the ERA creates precisely such an appearance with the powers it grants EPRAC.
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by The North Polish Union » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:08 am
Tinfect wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:"This line of reasoning was already addressed previously:
"In other words, you have fabricated a absurd perspective wherein the mere existence of World Assembly Law proves such law to be corrupt and unreasonable. There is no grounds to believe this; there is neither corruption, nor the appearance of corruption. There is no benefit changing hands, there is no secret conspiracy of the World Assembly to force the borders of certain Member-States closed. If that is argument, Ambassador, then it is clear that reason has long fled the debate. The Imperium cares little to discuss raving fantasies. We are opposed, and we suggest that your Government replace its World Assembly Delegation with personnel less prone to groundless paranoia."
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

by Greater Cesnica » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:14 pm
The North Polish Union wrote:Tinfect wrote:
"In other words, you have fabricated a absurd perspective wherein the mere existence of World Assembly Law proves such law to be corrupt and unreasonable. There is no grounds to believe this; there is neither corruption, nor the appearance of corruption. There is no benefit changing hands, there is no secret conspiracy of the World Assembly to force the borders of certain Member-States closed. If that is argument, Ambassador, then it is clear that reason has long fled the debate. The Imperium cares little to discuss raving fantasies. We are opposed, and we suggest that your Government replace its World Assembly Delegation with personnel less prone to groundless paranoia."
"We have few issues with much of WA law as it stands, our concern is that the ERA grants EPARC a mandate well beyond what WA law ought to permit, which is definitely unreasonable and creates the potential for and appearance of corruption. We do not allege that EPARC is or has been involved in a quid pro quo, nor do we believe in a WA conspiracy to close nations' borders; what we do believe is that the overbroad mandate given to EPARC creates a potential super-agency whose existence within EPARC's framework has a deleterious effect on the WA's reputation and integrity. We are not opposed to the continued existence of EPARC within the framework of other resolutions, nor would we be opposed to a future restoration of some of the powers that the ERA grants EPARC, but the ERA as written is deeply flawed. If the delegation from Tinfect is unwilling to engage with this line of reasoning, preferring to dismiss it and those who support it out of hand, that behavior in no way discourages our delegation from pursuing its intent of repealing GA № 53. We have laid out our position and we stand by it."
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by The North Polish Union » Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:02 pm
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
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