[PASSED] Access to Transgender Hormone Therapy

[Wallenburg]

Fyi if you respond to this message they sent saying you don't agree with the transgender agenda this author will report you to the mods

Well, flaming/trolling over TG is still a violation of the rules. If someone gets smacked for what they say in a TG, it's fairly likely they broke a rule.

[Coronational Chechyans and affiliates]

Fyi if you respond to this message they sent saying you don't agree with the transgender agenda this author will report you to the mods

Well, flaming/trolling over TG is still a violation of the rules. If someone gets smacked for what they say in a TG, it's fairly likely they broke a rule.

I totally get that if I was messaging people unprompted. But the author sent me a message first and then turns me in to the mods because I don't agree? Feels like baiting

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Well, flaming/trolling over TG is still a violation of the rules. If someone gets smacked for what they say in a TG, it's fairly likely they broke a rule.

I totally get that if I was messaging people unprompted. But the author sent me a message first and then turns me in to the mods because I don't agree? Feels like baiting

I suggest you read up on what baiting actually is before you make claims like that.

If they reported you to the mods and it turns out you did nothing wrong, the mods won't act on that report anyway... so what's the problem?

[Goobergunchia]

Let's not make this thread about Moderation procedure.

Goobergunchia
Forum Moderator

[Greater Cesnica]

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote FOR the General Assembly Resolution, "Access To Transgender Hormone Therapy".
Its reasoning may be found here.

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[URA World Assembly Affairs]

The United Regions Alliance recommends voting for this resolution. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1583287

[Wallenburg]

This is now at Vote.

[Lochside]

Opposed to this Bill based on moral and religious grounds. This is a strong point of contention for the people of Lochside, for the internal Policy of Lochside does not recognize the legal status of "Same Sex" Couples/marriages or other "LGBT". Leaving no other option but to oppose this bill, we ask others to at least recognize that the bill is flawed by not taking into account internal policies within current nations in the WA hold a contrary stance making this bill legally impossible to comply with.

Lochside would however support a edited version of this Bill if it clearly states that nations that do not recognize the "status" of "LGBT" or "transgender" have option to opt out of the current proposed bill.
We hope that fellow members of the international community understand Lochsides stance in these matters even if there is disagreement to discuss a compromise to be able to respect all nations of the WA.

-From the table of the Prime Minster of Lochside

[Paleocacher]

Would this bill require providing hormone therapy to minors? What determines "free and informed consent" I am concerned that transgender individuals of ages, say 15 or 16, would be unable to obtain such treatments without the consent of their legal guardians if they objected.

[Sylh Alanor]

Opposed to this Bill based on moral and religious grounds. This is a strong point of contention for the people of Lochside, for the internal Policy of Lochside does not recognize the legal status of "Same Sex" Couples/marriages or other "LGBT". Leaving no other option but to oppose this bill, we ask others to at least recognize that the bill is flawed by not taking into account internal policies within current nations in the WA hold a contrary stance making this bill legally impossible to comply with.

Lochside would however support a edited version of this Bill if it clearly states that nations that do not recognize the "status" of "LGBT" or "transgender" have option to opt out of the current proposed bill.
We hope that fellow members of the international community understand Lochsides stance in these matters even if there is disagreement to discuss a compromise to be able to respect all nations of the WA.

-From the table of the Prime Minster of Lochside

Well this is simply no good. First off, same-sex marriage has nothing to do with trans people and their gender identities. You give your ignorance of the subject away right off the bat. Secondly, to be in the World Assembly, you already have to accommodate LGBT individuals in your country. You don't get to pick and choose which resolutions you follow, you're automatically entered into all of them. So, surprise! You're already in full support of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and trans people!

[Xeknos]

I'm really just here so I can read Marxist Germany's bigoted response.

Voting FOR.

[The Python]

Full support, this (hopefully) will help advance transgender rights.

[Otaku Stratus]

I just can't take this anymore. Every so often I see this... disheartening display of horrible, horrible thinking. Now we're flat-out supporting the chemical castration of kids. They're not even euphemizing it, they're calling it puberty blockers. And EVERYONE is agreeing with it.
I can't get the specific issues I want to show up, it's been literally like 5-6 years without seeing one that leads to the policy I want, but I have to see this stuff so regularly. It's bumming me out somethin fierce. I swear if we get raided one more time I'm out of NS, this just isn't fun.

[Tinfect]

I just can't take this anymore. Every so often I see this... disheartening display of horrible, horrible thinking. Now we're flat-out supporting the chemical castration of kids. They're not even euphemizing it, they're calling it puberty blockers. And EVERYONE is agreeing with it.
I can't get the specific issues I want to show up, it's been literally like 5-6 years without seeing one that leads to the policy I want, but I have to see this stuff so regularly. It's bumming me out somethin fierce. I swear if we get raided one more time I'm out of NS, this just isn't fun.

OOC:
Puberty blockers are a useful tool for trans youth who tend not to want the irreversible changes to their body that the wrong puberty can bring. They are entirely non-permanent, and completely reversible; all you have to do is stop taking them. These medications are also used for cisgender children who experience premature puberty, as that can be harmful.
There's no raiding going on; I suggest you educate yourself on the subject matter before posting.

[Coronational Chechyans and affiliates]

I just can't take this anymore. Every so often I see this... disheartening display of horrible, horrible thinking. Now we're flat-out supporting the chemical castration of kids. They're not even euphemizing it, they're calling it puberty blockers. And EVERYONE is agreeing with it.
I can't get the specific issues I want to show up, it's been literally like 5-6 years without seeing one that leads to the policy I want, but I have to see this stuff so regularly. It's bumming me out somethin fierce. I swear if we get raided one more time I'm out of NS, this just isn't fun.

I'm pulling out of the world assembly this proposal is so disgusting. I have no problem with what adults do with their bodies. But to force children to take puberty blockers and castrate them. This is horrible

[Greater Cesnica]

Now we're flat-out supporting the chemical castration of kids.

stop with this ignorant fearmongering lmao

But to force children to take puberty blockers and castrate them. This is horrible

How is anyone being forced to do anything?

[Tsaivao]

Opposed to this Bill based on moral and religious grounds. This is a strong point of contention for the people of Lochside, for the internal Policy of Lochside does not recognize the legal status of "Same Sex" Couples/marriages or other "LGBT". Leaving no other option but to oppose this bill, we ask others to at least recognize that the bill is flawed by not taking into account internal policies within current nations in the WA hold a contrary stance making this bill legally impossible to comply with.

Lochside would however support a edited version of this Bill if it clearly states that nations that do not recognize the "status" of "LGBT" or "transgender" have option to opt out of the current proposed bill.
We hope that fellow members of the international community understand Lochsides stance in these matters even if there is disagreement to discuss a compromise to be able to respect all nations of the WA.

-From the table of the Prime Minster of Lochside

Delegate Manhu held a bell up by his wing and rung it very loudly. "Everyone, everyone, take a drink! Another non-compliant conservative nation in the World Assembly! Quick, someone tell them about GAR 91, GAR 457, GAR 467, and GAR 542!! Someone hit them with the crippling fines!!"

I just can't take this anymore. Every so often I see this... disheartening display of horrible, horrible thinking. Now we're flat-out supporting the chemical castration of kids. They're not even euphemizing it, they're calling it puberty blockers. And EVERYONE is agreeing with it.
I can't get the specific issues I want to show up, it's been literally like 5-6 years without seeing one that leads to the policy I want, but I have to see this stuff so regularly. It's bumming me out somethin fierce. I swear if we get raided one more time I'm out of NS, this just isn't fun.

Delegate Manhu, after taking a good, long drink from the previous delegation's comment, pointed towards the representative of the Otaku Stratus. "It may come to surprise you that much of the World Assembly's constituents disagree with you upon the nature of transgender rights and protections. If you catch yourself on the opposite end of the debate and find it frustrating that the majority disagree with you, perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate your beliefs and consider your place in this assembly. Nothing is wrong with excusing yourself from this place if the push for transgender rights gets a bit too heated for you to handle."

"Of course," he continued, "If all you're going to do is submit to unnecessary fearmongering and whine about the moral degradation of society, perhaps your exit would be of no loss to this assembly."

I just can't take this anymore. Every so often I see this... disheartening display of horrible, horrible thinking. Now we're flat-out supporting the chemical castration of kids. They're not even euphemizing it, they're calling it puberty blockers. And EVERYONE is agreeing with it.
I can't get the specific issues I want to show up, it's been literally like 5-6 years without seeing one that leads to the policy I want, but I have to see this stuff so regularly. It's bumming me out somethin fierce. I swear if we get raided one more time I'm out of NS, this just isn't fun.

I'm pulling out of the world assembly this proposal is so disgusting. I have no problem with what adults do with their bodies. But to force children to take puberty blockers and castrate them. This is horrible

Manhu raised a piece of paper. "Clause Six of General Assembly Resolution Number 467:"

Forbids any member-state from forcing an individual to undergo hormone therapy.

Manhu then tossed the paper aside. "Well there goes that half-assed argument, Ambassador. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the actual law, not political spin doctors who try to rile people up on lies and fear."

[Great Algerstonia]

Full support, this (hopefully) will help advance transgender rights.

"Hahahaha. It won't. What it will do is hurt Algerstonia Hospitals' profit margin! Against, against, against, everything should have a price to it!"

~Admiral-Ambassador Alec Ainsworth, while smoking a cigar he only had to pay quadruple the normal market value for due to military benefits.

[Elwher]

"Mandates that the process of seeking and obtaining hormone therapy cost no more than the fees absolutely necessary for the manufacturing and distribution of hormone therapy, and very strongly urges member nations to waive any and all costs inhabitants may have to pay when seeking and obtaining hormone therapy,"

In a free-market economy, which many nations including Elwher have, The manufacturer of a product has an absolute right to set the price of their product. Said price covers not only the costs of manufacturing and distribution but also whatever they feel is a necessary profit. If that price is set too high, other entities will step in to produce equivalent products at a lower price.

[Canbara]

Official correspondence from the General Assembly of Canbara:

RE: Access to Transgender Hormone Therapy

August 22, 2021 -- CANBARA CITY, For Immediate Release,

The General Assembly of Canbara had little debate on this resolution.

Even as an admittedly Right-wing nation, we do not oppose those seeking to make the change they desire and our government is making strides, however legislatively challenging, to increase the spectrum of civil rights in our borders.

Our only objection to the proposal, is that on the basis of cost to our hard-working, tax paying citizens, just as much in the interest of yours. We will be happy to enforce all other sections of this proposal, we must let private practice and non-state funded institutions be subject to the free market and with it, the cost of practice and product.

With this, Section 3 of the above proposal cannot be agreed to. We understand what non-compliance could mean, but we ensure our commitment to abide by all other sections of this resolution, regardless of Member status.

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[ShrewLlamaLand]

I swear if we get raided one more time I'm out of NS, this just isn't fun.

Who wants to do the honours?

In a free-market economy, which many nations including Elwher have, The manufacturer of a product has an absolute right to set the price of their product. Said price covers not only the costs of manufacturing and distribution but also whatever they feel is a necessary profit. If that price is set too high, other entities will step in to produce equivalent products at a lower price.

If only free-market economies worked like this in practice...

[The Coarsal Pirates]

"Wanting that the fees cannae be any higher than the price of making and shipping the product causes us some concern. We have independent organizations all over the place selling these therapies and its not the governing folk's expertise in what be most effective and what not. We cannae be expected to go through the bureaucracy t' fund the difference in profits these businesses be expecting nor would it be fair to set a price that wouldnae make up a difference in losses from the research going into making their product. If there is to be a price regulation then the therapies prioritized should be specified by the assembly.

"We believe 467 provides enough coverage of this issue without such a clause. In the theoretical situation that this proposal were to pass we would likely end up subsidizing the organization that would agree to the terms with the lowest required national cost. If this is what ye be looking to happen then fair enough but from our experience it is not the most effective of solutions."

[Niveusium]

I just can't take this anymore. Every so often I see this... disheartening display of horrible, horrible thinking. Now we're flat-out supporting the chemical castration of kids. They're not even euphemizing it, they're calling it puberty blockers. And EVERYONE is agreeing with it.
I can't get the specific issues I want to show up, it's been literally like 5-6 years without seeing one that leads to the policy I want, but I have to see this stuff so regularly. It's bumming me out somethin fierce. I swear if we get raided one more time I'm out of NS, this just isn't fun.

"Not quite... we use puberty blockers on children all the time. They exist for a reason; many children have conditions that give them early onset puberty, and we block that and make sure that puberty comes on in a timely fashion that won't harm the kids. You are suddenly opposed to the idea of giving it to transgender children because you don't like transgender people. I think I'll just take it as that and we can move on from that bigoted opinion."

[Thassala]

Delegate Manhu held a bell up by his wing and rung it very loudly. "Everyone, everyone, take a drink! Another non-compliant conservative nation in the World Assembly! Quick, someone tell them about GAR 91, GAR 457, GAR 467, and GAR 542!! Someone hit them with the crippling fines!!"

Ambassador Callan groaned, rubbing her temples. "Delegate Manhu, while we have been grateful for your wise guidance on a number of issues in the past, I must take some umbrage at your adherence to this particular Assembly tradition. Whenever a proposal of this type arrives before the Assembly, my aspirin budget goes through the roof."

She paused for a moment before knocking back the traditional slug, as tradition dictated. "Thassala stands in support of the proposal, of course. There are certain extra protections we'd like to see on this matter, but we accept that it may arguably fall outside the scope of the act as it stands. We will not make good the enemy of perfect."

[Coronational Chechyans and affiliates]

I have nothing against transgender people. I stand strongly against forcing these permanent medical treatments onto children. If your not old enough to consent to sex because they are not mentally ready they shouldn't be able to change their sex.

I haven't been happy with the world assembly for a while but this is the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Not to be a Natsov but the original intention of this assembly was to deal with international issues. things like nuclear weapons or trade treaties. How in the world is the decision to legalize or prohibit medication for optional sex reassignment, to children mind you an international concern?