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Postby Morover » Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:58 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:
Morover wrote:Firstly, I'm not entirely convinced that the lack of inclusion to synthetic hormones is necessarily a bad thing; either a reasonable, well-meaning nation realizes that synthetic hormone therapy necessarily needs to be included within the draft in order for it to be cheaper on their own wallets, or a transphobic nation who intentionally excludes synthetic hormones has to break the bank in order to comply with 467.


I don’t quite follow with this, sorry. How is making synthetic hormones affordable cheaper for nations?

OOC: Sorry, that was my ambassador trying to be a bit tongue-in-cheek about the initial critiques ages ago (from Jocospor et al) with regards to the additional costs coming from mandating biological hormones as opposed to allowing synthetic hormones, but I'm still coming off of illness a bit so I'm going to blame it on that :p

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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:26 pm

Morover wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:
I don’t quite follow with this, sorry. How is making synthetic hormones affordable cheaper for nations?

OOC: Sorry, that was my ambassador trying to be a bit tongue-in-cheek about the initial critiques ages ago (from Jocospor et al) with regards to the additional costs coming from mandating biological hormones as opposed to allowing synthetic hormones, but I'm still coming off of illness a bit so I'm going to blame it on that :p

Hope I helped, and good luck with the proposal!


Ah. And yes, you did help :)
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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:10 pm

title has been updated and now contains words in the english lexicon
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:50 am

"Cosmetic therapy should never be provided for free by the government; Germany is opposed."
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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:55 am

Marxist Germany wrote:"Cosmetic therapy should never be provided for free by the government; Germany is opposed."

Thank you. Your public opposition will likely give people even more reason to support this bill.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:51 am

OOC post.

Honeydewistania wrote:Defines "hormone therapy" as any medical procedure using hormones or chemicals that reduce their effect which is carried out on a person for the sole purpose of alignIng their sexual characteristics with their gender identity (or lack thereof),

Problem. Taking a pill is not a medical procedure. Slathering on a gel is not a medical procedure. Getting an injection might be (though I doubt it), but that's generally not how hormone replacement therapy is handled, especially for female hormones.

Forbids any entity from:

  1. denying hormone therapy to any of their inhabitants, except where legitimate concerns for their health would arise as a result,

Problem. Hormone replacement therapy is inherently "concern for health" given it basically makes the body go through puberty again, and strains the liver and so forth. It's not inherently dangerous, but the changes are a "legitimate concern for their health" (especially with mental health being included - we've all (probably) gone through puberty and can likely remember what it was like the first time round).

Also, without checking I can't remember if previous resolutions allow nations to restrict giving sex hormones (instead of just blockers) to minors, but if yes, this would contradict it.

[forbids nations from] mandating that those who seek or obtain hormone therapy pay for it.

Why? This is going to be your biggest issue. If meds are affordable, why should these particular meds be free? What does the life-saving meds resolution say? Does it mandate free or just affordable? Alternatively read, only the seeking is free and the price of medication is not even mentioned.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:02 am

Araraukar wrote:What does the life-saving meds resolution say?

Nothing - it is a fairly boring resolution about the World Health Authority buying medicines, producing cures for diseases, and waiving patents on certain drugs.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:58 pm

Bump.
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:56 am

OOC: The changes look good.

But why is this specific for sex hormones and their blockers and not all necessary hormonal treatments?
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:19 pm

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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:18 pm

Araraukar wrote:OOC: The changes look good.

But why is this specific for sex hormones and their blockers and not all necessary hormonal treatments?

OOC: I'm specifically targeting those hormones as that's the scope of the resolution really, I'm not (at the moment) concerned with making necessary hormonal treatments available. If more people think i should include it however, I's love to hear your input please!
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If your medical corporations' profits are reliant on overcharging trans hormones, I think economic collapse is impending regardless of this resolution passing or not.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:40 pm

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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:22 am

im submitting this soon
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Honeydewistania wrote:im submitting this soon

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Postby Bananaistan » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:39 am

OOC: Section 4. What sort of "entity" has inhabitants?

Also would advise to do a normal title.
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Postby Maowi » Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:19 pm

OOC: I think it's good that 4.a. allows individuals to be denied hormone therapy that would endanger their health, but I think it may help if you consider amending your definition or perhaps clause 2 to make it explicitly clear that individuals must be guaranteed access to safe and effective hormone therapy where possible? Mainly so that clause 3 about financing the treatment doesn't incentivise less-than-safe methods for the sake of minimisng cost.
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Postby Scalizagasti » Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:26 pm

Full support. I, for one, think you should keep the current title :p
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:38 am

I hope the latest round of edits have satisfied people
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Postby Bananaistan » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:59 am

OOC: I still don't like the title and I think it runs the risk of generating opposition unnecessarily.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:17 am

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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:03 am

"Why does the WA need two resolutions regarding hormone therapy for gender identity disorder, and not all forms of cosmetic therapy? Why should someone with body dysmorphic disorder not get access to free plastic surgery? There is absolutely no reason taxpayers should be paying for someone's cosmetic therapy, especially not when this proposal makes no distinction between minors and adults, allowing any infant or minor to get access to HRT, which is an exception not made for any other medical procedure in this assembly, excluding, of course, abortion."
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:31 am

Marxist Germany wrote:"Why does the WA need two resolutions regarding hormone therapy for gender identity disorder, and not all forms of cosmetic therapy? Why should someone with body dysmorphic disorder not get access to free plastic surgery? There is absolutely no reason taxpayers should be paying for someone's cosmetic therapy, especially not when this proposal makes no distinction between minors and adults, allowing any infant or minor to get access to HRT, which is an exception not made for any other medical procedure in this assembly, excluding, of course, abortion."

This fearmongering is not appreciated. Legal competence laws will prevent infants from getting on HRT so you’re talking out of your arse.

OOC: Though of course, what did I expect from the that person is openly against "transgenderism" in his forum signature. :roll:
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Postby Sylh Alanor » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:39 am

Marxist Germany wrote:"Why does the WA need two resolutions regarding hormone therapy for gender identity disorder, and not all forms of cosmetic therapy? Why should someone with body dysmorphic disorder not get access to free plastic surgery?"

This is a wonderful point. I hope someone takes this advice and writes up a draft to make sure such procedures are also covered for those who are suffering. That being said, ambassador, I'm not sure it's within the purview of this proposal.
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(OOC: I'm resisting the temptation to create a 'Lollipop Guild' nation -- yes, the name is available: two earlier incarnations existed, but both CTEd long enough ago & without hitting the population threshold -- so that its diplomats could complain in verse about the fact that this proposal does not also cover growth hormone...)
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