Repeal Convention on Gender

[Second Indus Order]

The Ambassador clears his throat and speaks into his microphone again, "I must question, is the Ambassador from Second Indus Order going to reflect on my inquiries about his Repeal? Or, is he going to continue to attempt to pick fights with other Ambassadors?"

Yes, I would like to say that convention which we are trying to repeal is by it's very nature discriminatory as it views humans and non-human beings as same. Where humans and aliens have different genders, a bill should have separate laws for these varying species on their specific biological natures to preserve their own rights.

[Tsaivao]

I would also like to request you to please stop using curse words.

OOC: I... didn't? Not in my most recent post anyway. I'll stop fucking swearing, don't worry

The Ambassador clears his throat and speaks into his microphone again, "I must question, is the Ambassador from Second Indus Order going to reflect on my inquiries about his Repeal? Or, is he going to continue to attempt to pick fights with other Ambassadors?"

Yes, I would like to say that convention which we are trying to repeal is by it's very nature discriminatory as it views humans and non-human beings as same. Where humans and aliens have different genders, a bill should have separate laws for these varying species on their specific biological natures to preserve their own rights.

IC: "With all respect, as one of said alien species, the problem is that what your propose would actually be detrimental to recognizing the biology of non-human species," Manhu says, looking at his assistant. "The original legislation already recognizes the necessary points of gender identity and adequately meshes with any biology, as a transgender person is still transgender whether there's two genders or eighty-one, or whether there's two biological sexes or six thousand. As described in the legislation, their rights are already preserved, so I'm not sure whose rights we're preserving by repealing it? If you want to try and make a replacement draft which would exemplify these rights that you want to uphold, then we could maybe consider that first before just repealing this law."

[Second Indus Order]

I would also like to request you to please stop using curse words.

OOC: I... didn't? Not in my most recent post anyway. I'll stop fucking swearing, don't worry

Yes, I would like to say that convention which we are trying to repeal is by it's very nature discriminatory as it views humans and non-human beings as same. Where humans and aliens have different genders, a bill should have separate laws for these varying species on their specific biological natures to preserve their own rights.

IC: "With all respect, as one of said alien species, the problem is that what your propose would actually be detrimental to recognizing the biology of non-human species," Manhu says, looking at his assistant. "The original legislation already recognizes the necessary points of gender identity and adequately meshes with any biology, as a transgender person is still transgender whether there's two genders or eighty-one. As described in the legislation, their rights are already preserved, so I'm not sure whose rights we're preserving by repealing it? If you want to try and make a replacement draft which would exemplify these rights that you want to uphold, then we could maybe consider that first before just repealing this law."

The bill on the convention of gender suggests that -
1) gender be defined by cultural roles and not biology
2) Intersex persons not be assigned to a gender- despite the fact that there has been no being ever, despite any genetic problems, to both be capable of impregnating and getting impregnated, it's always the either.
3) Prohibiting countries to regulate changing the private parts of people, who according to transgender ideology, can change their gender.

plus - what does OOC mean?

This is what we oppose to be enforced on all nations.

[Berhakonia]

You know what, why not?

Support

[Second Indus Order]

You know what, why not?

Support

thanks for support!

[Second Indus Order]

that's the thing. the WA has no right to redefine gender to some kind of spectrum as opposed to the original unit of male and female. we simply want to repeal that.

plus how does a plea to repeal a convention go into voting? i am new to this

Gender has never been just male and female. Many cultures around the world recognized multiple gender identities. Just because you’re westernized doesn’t mean that gender is as well. There are the Hijras of India, Māhū of Hawai’i, two spirits of indigenous America, Muxe of Oaxaca, Fa'afafine of Polynesia, Sworn Virgins of Albania, Chibados of Angola, Waria of Indonesia, Travestis of Latin America, and Knanith of Oman. Just because your belief tells you something, doesn’t mean it’s correct. You just have to open up your mind. The conversation isn’t about a redefinition of your archaic values, it’s about including the marginalized peoples that your ideology do desperately tries to erase.

And to further piggyback on the above quote, if most of the WA votes for, than it goes into action. If the WA votes against, then it doesn’t go into action. And therefore the decisions of the WA affect your nation slightly.

bruh. I am Indian and hijira are hermaphrodites, which is not the same thing as what you are saying.

[Vikanias]

The General Assembly,

NOTING the resolution's intention to improve worldwide human and civil rights;

CONCERNED on the lackluster redefining of gender from natural to the merely "prevalent";

SUPPORTING for nations to act on the topic of Gender on a non-revisionist way;

Hereby Repeals Resolution on the Convention on Gender(World Assembly Resolution #91).

Let’s dissect this.

It lacks, with a few words this won’t sway majority of nations to support as its… lacking in an actual argument.

“Revisionist” I’m seeing this as “male and female genders are fake” which yes it was created in the 50’s, the better term would be sex instead of genders.

And nothing else, ths us proposal is so short it doesn’t start up anything at all.

[Second Indus Order]

The General Assembly,

NOTING the resolution's intention to improve worldwide human and civil rights;

CONCERNED on the lackluster redefining of gender from natural to the merely "prevalent";

SUPPORTING for nations to act on the topic of Gender on a non-revisionist way;

Hereby Repeals Resolution on the Convention on Gender(World Assembly Resolution #91).

Let’s dissect this.

It lacks, with a few words this won’t sway majority of nations to support as its… lacking in an actual argument.

“Revisionist” I’m seeing this as “male and female genders are fake” which yes it was created in the 50’s, the better term would be sex instead of genders.

And nothing else, ths us proposal is so short it doesn’t start up anything at all.

I have actually elaborated on it through the discussions, im going to be making a new draft including all of it in

[Sincluda]

Let’s dissect this.

It lacks, with a few words this won’t sway majority of nations to support as its… lacking in an actual argument.

“Revisionist” I’m seeing this as “male and female genders are fake” which yes it was created in the 50’s, the better term would be sex instead of genders.

And nothing else, ths us proposal is so short it doesn’t start up anything at all.

I have actually elaborated on it through the discussions, im going to be making a new draft including all of it in

edit the op

[Second Indus Order]

I have actually elaborated on it through the discussions, im going to be making a new draft including all of it in

edit the op

yes thanks i will
also, what does OOC mean?

[Feudalist America]

edit the op

yes thanks i will
also, what does OOC mean?

IC: In character (ie roleplaying)
OOC: Out of Character (not roleplaying)

[Jedinsto]

OP was founded two days ago, btw.

[Feudalist America]

OP was founded two days ago, btw.

To be fair I was founded today, but I most certainly am not new, as my oldest nation (that I can recall) was Paleoconservative Citizens

Perhaps OP has an older nation, but this is a new nation the OP has made. Of course I don't know, but the age of a nation doesn't necessarily equate to the experience of the user

[Jedinsto]

OP was founded two days ago, btw.

To be fair I was founded today, but I most certainly am not new, as my oldest nation (that I can recall) was Paleoconservative Citizens

Perhaps OP has an older nation, but this is a new nation the OP has made. Of course I don't know, but the age of a nation doesn't necessarily equate to the experience of the user

I know, I was kinda assuming that OP is a puppet.

[Feudalist America]

To be fair I was founded today, but I most certainly am not new, as my oldest nation (that I can recall) was Paleoconservative Citizens

Perhaps OP has an older nation, but this is a new nation the OP has made. Of course I don't know, but the age of a nation doesn't necessarily equate to the experience of the user

I know, I was kinda assuming that OP is a puppet.

Ah, alright

[Second Indus Order]

OP was founded two days ago, btw.

To be fair I was founded today, but I most certainly am not new, as my oldest nation (that I can recall) was Paleoconservative Citizens

Perhaps OP has an older nation, but this is a new nation the OP has made. Of course I don't know, but the age of a nation doesn't necessarily equate to the experience of the user

OOC: yeah no this is my first nation here lol

[Feudalist America]

To be fair I was founded today, but I most certainly am not new, as my oldest nation (that I can recall) was Paleoconservative Citizens

Perhaps OP has an older nation, but this is a new nation the OP has made. Of course I don't know, but the age of a nation doesn't necessarily equate to the experience of the user

OOC: yeah no this is my first nation here lol

Interesting
I wouldn't expect a new nation to vaguely understand the GA, or know about resolutions for that matter, not even I - who's been playing for 2 years - knew about the convention on gender.

But I won't threadjack and will simply just let the conversation continue about this resolution rather than your founding date

[Separatist Peoples]

Gender has never been just male and female. Many cultures around the world recognized multiple gender identities. Just because you’re westernized doesn’t mean that gender is as well. There are the Hijras of India, Māhū of Hawai’i, two spirits of indigenous America, Muxe of Oaxaca, Fa'afafine of Polynesia, Sworn Virgins of Albania, Chibados of Angola, Waria of Indonesia, Travestis of Latin America, and Knanith of Oman. Just because your belief tells you something, doesn’t mean it’s correct. You just have to open up your mind. The conversation isn’t about a redefinition of your archaic values, it’s about including the marginalized peoples that your ideology do desperately tries to erase.

And to further piggyback on the above quote, if most of the WA votes for, than it goes into action. If the WA votes against, then it doesn’t go into action. And therefore the decisions of the WA affect your nation slightly.

that does not necessarily mean you can enforce this gender on all countries right?

"It does, though."

[Separatist Peoples]

The General Assembly,

NOTING the resolution's intention to improve worldwide human and civil rights;

CONCERNED on the lackluster redefining of gender from natural to the merely "prevalent";

SUPPORTING for nations to act on the topic of Gender on a non-revisionist way;

Hereby Repeals Resolution on the Convention on Gender(World Assembly Resolution #91).

"What benefit do the minorities being protected under the resolution gain by devolving authority to member states?"

"Further, this has not yet been answered by the authoring delegation."

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Gender has never been just male and female. Many cultures around the world recognized multiple gender identities. Just because you’re westernized doesn’t mean that gender is as well. There are the Hijras of India, Māhū of Hawai’i, two spirits of indigenous America, Muxe of Oaxaca, Fa'afafine of Polynesia, Sworn Virgins of Albania, Chibados of Angola, Waria of Indonesia, Travestis of Latin America, and Knanith of Oman. Just because your belief tells you something, doesn’t mean it’s correct. You just have to open up your mind. The conversation isn’t about a redefinition of your archaic values, it’s about including the marginalized peoples that your ideology do desperately tries to erase.

And to further piggyback on the above quote, if most of the WA votes for, than it goes into action. If the WA votes against, then it doesn’t go into action. And therefore the decisions of the WA affect your nation slightly.

that does not necessarily mean you can enforce this gender on all countries right?

OOC: The WA is not enforcing one gender or another on you. The WA is mandating that you may not dictate that one person or another has this gender and not the other, no matter what position you hold.

[Feudalist America]

that does not necessarily mean you can enforce this gender on all countries right?

OOC: The WA is not enforcing one gender or another on you. The WA is mandating that you may not dictate that one person or another has this gender and not the other, no matter what position you hold.

OOC: So essentially, gender is a social construct and WA nations cannot force their citizens to adhere to gender roles? At least that's what I'm picking up.

[Minskiev]

OOC: Everyone's already said this but NatSov only. Also, very boring resolution at that. Like, wow, very lame. If you're gonna be some rightwing nation don't do the exact same thing as every other rightwing nation. We get it, NatSov, muh freedom, muh free speech, muh opinions. You're making me tired IRL. I'm about to yawn. I just yawned. Very boring.

IC: Wallace shakes his head at this polar bear carcass of a proposal. Ew.

[Outer Sparta]

"What benefit do the minorities being protected under the resolution gain by devolving authority to member states?"

"Further, this has not yet been answered by the authoring delegation."

Ambassador Tav: I highly doubt you will receive an answer from the authoring delegation. If their delegation gives you an answer, it's not going to be sufficient.

[Second Indus Order]

"What benefit do the minorities being protected under the resolution gain by devolving authority to member states?"

"Further, this has not yet been answered by the authoring delegation."

We do not believe that gender is a "social construct" and therefore do not believe that any "protection" is needed for transgender or non-binary people.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Further, this has not yet been answered by the authoring delegation."

We do not believe that gender is a "social construct" and therefore do not believe that any "protection" is needed for transgender or non-binary people.

"So you intend to strip away protections for these minorities? Why, exactly, would an organization prioritize your traditions over the protection of a minority the international community deems worthy of protection? I want you, ambassador, to explain why your position should matter to an electorate that has already made a contrary finding. I don't want a treatise on whay you think about gender, I want to know what inventive you think we have to support this."