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[Withdrawn]Repeal:“Citizenship And Birth Act”

Postby In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia » Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:16 pm

The World Assembly,

AFFIRMING that the intended purpose of "Citizenship and Birth Act" is to ensure that children do not become stateless,

OBSERVING that the resolution fails to alleviate situations that most commonly result in statelessness, including the following:
  1. Children born to parents who are stateless.
  2. Stateless children found unaccompanied by any family and/or are orphaned without nationality.
  3. Individuals who become stateless because of the all too common dissolution of states.
  4. Individuals unable to obtain proof of birth or nationality status due to war, dissolution, etc.
  5. Any individuals who become stateless at any time after birth, and many other cases.
NOTING that the resolution arbitrarily prescribes a default of jus sanguinis citizenship, despite preventing statelessness in only a limited capacity not including any of the cases observed above,

ASSERTING that this incomplete legislation evokes a more efficacious resolution to be chartered,

HOPING for the opportunity to introduce a more proper solution to this most pressing issue to the General Assembly,

HEREBY,

REPEALS "Citizenship and Birth Act".
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Postby In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:50 pm

Affirming that the intended purpose of "Citizenship and Birth Act" is to ensure that children do not become stateless,

Observing that the resolution fails to alleviate situations that most commonly result in statelessness, including those children whose parents are themselves stateless,

Noting
that the resolution arbitrarily prescribes a default of jus sanguinis citizenship, despite preventing statelessness in only a limited capacity,

Further noting
that the resolution does little to prevent statelessness for individuals after birth,

Asserting that this erroneous legislation evokes a more effective resolution to be chartered,

Hoping for the opportunity to introduce a more proper solution to this most pressing issue to the World Assembly,

The World Assembly hereby,

Repeals "Citizenship and Birth Act".

The World Assembly,

AFFIRMING that the intended purpose of "Citizenship and Birth Act" is to ensure that children do not become stateless,

OBSERVING that the resolution fails to alleviate situations that most commonly result in statelessness, including the following:
  1. Children born to parents who are stateless.
  2. Stateless children found unaccompanied by any family and/or are orphaned without nationality.
  3. Individuals who become stateless because of the all too common dissolution of states.
  4. Any individuals who become stateless at any time after birth, and many other cases.
NOTING that the resolution arbitrarily prescribes a default of jus sanguinis citizenship, despite preventing statelessness in only a limited capacity not including any of the cases observed above,

ASSERTING that this incomplete legislation evokes a more efficacious resolution to be chartered,

HOPING for the opportunity to introduce a more proper solution to this most pressing issue to the World Assembly,

HEREBY,

REPEALS "Citizenship and Birth Act".

The World Assembly,

AFFIRMING that the intended purpose of "Citizenship and Birth Act" is to ensure that children do not become stateless,

OBSERVING that the resolution fails to alleviate situations that most commonly result in statelessness, including the following:

Children born to parents who are stateless.
Stateless children found unaccompanied by any family and/or are orphaned without nationality.
Individuals who become stateless because of the all too common dissolution of states.
Individuals unable to obtain proof of birth or nationality status due to war, dissolution, etc.
Any individuals who become stateless at any time after birth, and many other cases.

NOTING that the resolution arbitrarily prescribes a default of jus sanguinis citizenship, despite preventing statelessness in only a limited capacity not including any of the cases observed above,

ASSERTING that this incomplete legislation evokes a more efficacious resolution to be chartered,

HOPING for the opportunity to introduce a more proper solution to this most pressing issue to the General Assembly,

HEREBY,

REPEALS "Citizenship and Birth Act".
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Postby In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia » Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:29 pm

In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia wrote:Affirming that the intended purpose of "Citizenship and Birth Act" is to ensure that children do not become stateless,

Observing that the resolution fails to alleviate situations that most commonly result in statelessness, including those children whose parents are themselves stateless,

Noting
that the resolution arbitrarily prescribes a default of jus sanguinis citizenship, despite preventing statelessness in only a limited capacity,

Further noting
that the resolution does little to prevent statelessness for individuals after birth,

Asserting that this erroneous legislation evokes a more effective resolution to be chartered,

Hoping for the opportunity to introduce a more proper solution to this most pressing issue to the World Assembly,

The World Assembly hereby,

Repeals "Citizenship and Birth Act".


I really appreciate any guidance and input seasoned WA folks have to give. The proposal for replacement can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=506987

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Postby Goobergunchia » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:14 pm

Applies to both your threads: you don't need to bump them nearly as fast as you did. (Once every 24 hours is the maximum and generally even that's a bit on the high side for the GA forum since threads don't fall off that quickly here.)

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Postby In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:43 pm

Goobergunchia wrote:Applies to both your threads: you don't need to bump them nearly as fast as you did. (Once every 24 hours is the maximum and generally even that's a bit on the high side for the GA forum since threads don't fall off that quickly here.)

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My apologies! I kept forgetting to add those bits, I didn't consider that it bumped it in the forum. It won't happen again, I am truly sorry. :oops:

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Postby Coronational Chechyans and affiliates » Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:47 pm

I would be willing to support this repeal

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Postby Astrobolt » Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:06 pm

Ambassador Tappe: "Our delegation does not see the point of this proposal. There is no harm that comes from having the target resolution on the books. We would suggest the authoring delegation focus on creating new law, instead of repealing a resolution which, though it doesn't resolve the issue, still provides some protections against statelessness."
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Postby In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia » Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:30 pm

Astrobolt wrote:Ambassador Tappe: "Our delegation does not see the point of this proposal. There is no harm that comes from having the target resolution on the books. We would suggest the authoring delegation focus on creating new law, instead of repealing a resolution which, though it doesn't resolve the issue, still provides some protections against statelessness."

Ambassador Tappe,
I appreciate the feedback and encourage you to view the replacement that exists in the forum as a draft here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=506987. Nevertheless, I would disagree that having ineffectual resolutions does not cause harm when the very individuals these resolutions affect continue to be without the protections of a nationality. Rather than write a resolution that would potentially cause confusion, the target is best repealed and replaced for a proper solution.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:15 pm

Not sure why you decided to submit this without much feedback. Opposed since it doesn't make a good enough argument to repeal.
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

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Postby Coronational Chechyans and affiliates » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:27 pm

2 delegates needed with ,3 hours left. If you had put this up for review and gotten some discussion going I think you could probably get this thing to vote

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Postby In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:37 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Not sure why you decided to submit this without much feedback. Opposed since it doesn't make a good enough argument to repeal.

I apologize for not articulating it well enough. Is there something specific that you look for in repeals that would have made this a better proposal?

Coronational Chechyans and affiliates wrote:2 delegates needed with ,3 hours left. If you had put this up for review and gotten some discussion going I think you could probably get this thing to vote

Was the time after posting not long enough? What would have been a more acceptable time frame so that I know better for the future.

I really welcome and appreciate feedback. Thank you for taking the time to help a new author. <3

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:46 pm

In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Not sure why you decided to submit this without much feedback. Opposed since it doesn't make a good enough argument to repeal.

I apologize for not articulating it well enough. Is there something specific that you look for in repeals that would have made this a better proposal?

Coronational Chechyans and affiliates wrote:2 delegates needed with ,3 hours left. If you had put this up for review and gotten some discussion going I think you could probably get this thing to vote

Was the time after posting not long enough? What would have been a more acceptable time frame so that I know better for the future.

I really welcome and appreciate feedback. Thank you for taking the time to help a new author. <3

I think you submitted it too early and despite reaching quorum, you would have a better shot if you withdrew it and kept on working. One week isn't enough to get feedback because it takes a while to write feedback for GA drafts. If you get feedback from those who are GenSec, then they are the ones who are very knowledgeable and can give you a lot of good advice.
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:23 pm

In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia wrote:
Coronational Chechyans and affiliates wrote:2 delegates needed with ,3 hours left. If you had put this up for review and gotten some discussion going I think you could probably get this thing to vote

Was the time after posting not long enough? What would have been a more acceptable time frame so that I know better for the future.

My first successful GA resolution, Disease Naming Compact, was drafted for about two weeks. A repeal-and-replace effort like yours might need a bit more time so that both proposals can be of sufficient quality when they must be submitted; I honestly have no idea despite having just pulled one off myself :P

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Postby In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia » Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:02 am

Tinhampton wrote:My first successful GA resolution, Disease Naming Compact, was drafted for about two weeks. A repeal-and-replace effort like yours might need a bit more time so that both proposals can be of sufficient quality when they must be submitted; I honestly have no idea despite having just pulled one off myself :P

Is the expectation that the repeal resolution should await the full completion of the replacement and what is the best way to illicit substantive feedback?

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In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:My first successful GA resolution, Disease Naming Compact, was drafted for about two weeks. A repeal-and-replace effort like yours might need a bit more time so that both proposals can be of sufficient quality when they must be submitted; I honestly have no idea despite having just pulled one off myself :P

Is the expectation that the repeal resolution should await the full completion of the replacement and what is the best way to illicit substantive feedback?

OOC: A number of players -- some of them influential -- are likely to reject a repeal unless & until they see [what they regard as] a better replacement.
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Postby In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:31 am

Bears Armed wrote:OOC: A number of players -- some of them influential -- are likely to reject a repeal unless & until they see [what they regard as] a better replacement.

Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it and will keep it in mind moving forward with both proposal drafts.

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Postby In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:31 am

This is the current draft in last call status.
The World Assembly,

AFFIRMING that the intended purpose of "Citizenship and Birth Act" is to ensure that children do not become stateless,

OBSERVING that the resolution fails to alleviate situations that most commonly result in statelessness, including the following:

Children born to parents who are stateless.
Stateless children found unaccompanied by any family and/or are orphaned without nationality.
Individuals who become stateless because of the all too common dissolution of states.
Individuals unable to obtain proof of birth or nationality status due to war, dissolution, etc.
Any individuals who become stateless at any time after birth, and many other cases.

NOTING that the resolution arbitrarily prescribes a default of jus sanguinis citizenship, despite preventing statelessness in only a limited capacity not including any of the cases observed above,

ASSERTING that this incomplete legislation evokes a more efficacious resolution to be chartered,

HOPING for the opportunity to introduce a more proper solution to this most pressing issue to the General Assembly,

HEREBY,

REPEALS "Citizenship and Birth Act".
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:49 pm

Why did you withdraw it?
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

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Postby In Insulam Autem Sanguis Et Magia » Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:49 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Why did you withdraw it?

Because I'm no longer repealing and replacing.
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