[RETRACTED] Resolution Against Cultural Imperialism

[Figu]

Category: The Furtherment of Democracy

This proposal is meant to restore faith in the World Assembly for those who feel it has become too ideological. Many fine and important members have been lost from this fact. The World Assembly was built on the idea of mutual cooperation, not forcing ideology on its member states. This resolution proposes the following:

Diplomacy, in this context, is defined as the creation of oversight committees in order to enforce and mediate upon other agreements and similar bodies.

Economic, in this context, is defined as proposals primarily based on economic matters, such as canals or environmental regulations.

Scientific, in this context, is defined as proposals primarily based on aiding human technological progress, such as technological aid to nations lacking in technology or international scientific projects like a World Assembly space station.

a. All future proposals are to be primarily focused on Diplomatic, Economic, and Scientific affairs, not ideology. The focus should be on fair agreements of mutual cooperation.

b. This resolution has no effect on a nation's internal policy, beyond protecting the unique cultures of the WA's member states.

[Araraukar]

OOC: While it's amusing you are trying to do what you're trying to ban, this is illegal for Category, Game Mechanics and Metagaming.

[Daarwyrth]

Dame Maria vyn Nysen, WA Representative of Daarwyrth: "Ambassador, if your nation feels the World Assembly has become too ideological and at odds with what your nation stands for, then it is free to resign from this international body.

As for your proposal, I vehemently oppose it and all its Implications. Quite frankly, I find it even shameful to a degree."

[Trellania]

"While no sane person applauds this attempt, I must point out the irony that banning conversion therapy is a matter of science; the science says it must be banned because of the harm it causes. So this would not undo the very resolution that spawned it."

[Figu]

OOC: While it's amusing you are trying to do what you're trying to ban, this is illegal for Category, Game Mechanics and Metagaming.

"We have put it in a category, and all it does now is simply refocus new legislation. It isn't a change in game mechanics or anything... think of it more like a constitutional amendment. It isn't metagaming either. It demands no changes or action in regards to regions or the Security Council. Quite frankly, it seems as though you oppose it simply because you disagree with its motive of maintaining liberty and the sovereignty of its member states. This is ideologically neutral, as it doesn't pick sides in regards to what ideologies it dislikes.
Ideologies can be expressed via legislation proposed. This is simply to limit the scope of the proposals to what really matters on the international stage.

Dame Maria vyn Nysen, WA Representative of Daarwyrth: "Ambassador, if your nation feels the World Assembly has become too ideological and at odds with what your nation stands for, then it is free to resign from this international body.

As for your proposal, I vehemently oppose it and all its Implications. Quite frankly, I find it even shameful to a degree."

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"I question why you oppose the idea that nations should be free to decide their own cultures and fates. I wonder how long it will be before the World Assembly changes its mind on the voluntary aspect of membership. Figu is in a position of economic strength and thus has a choice in the matter. Other nations are not so lucky. There are doubtless thousands of satellite states in the WA's orbit, economically dependent yet ideologically opposed. These nations have no choice but to go along with this charade of liberty, as their cultures and national identities are slowly whittled away into nothing."

"While no sane person applauds this attempt, I must point out the irony that banning conversion therapy is a matter of science; the science says it must be banned because of the harm it causes. So this would not undo the very resolution that spawned it."

"You still have yet to address the fact that such treatments are possible without harm in Post Modern Technology nations. As has been mentioned in a different discussion, Laka has the technology to transition race and gender without harm. Although we Figuans have not yet achieved that level of technology, the underlying theory is sound. Say for instance that you want to transition from a white man to a black woman. Utilizing CRISPR technology, you can create a non-contagious virus with the sole purpose of removing the 'white man' genes and replace them with 'black woman' genes. Give it a few months of treatment and accelerated growth, and just like that, you've transitioned races and gender. Another thing you fail to address is the non-harmful attempts. For instance, literal conversion therapy. As in, talking to an actual therapist about it."

- Chief Delegate Rodgers

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: if submitted this will be removed for violating game mechanics. Only repeals can reverse the effects of extant resolutions.

[Trellania]

"You still have yet to address the fact that such treatments are possible without harm in Post Modern Technology nations. As has been mentioned in a different discussion, Laka has the technology to transition race and gender without harm. Although we Figuans have not yet achieved that level of technology, the underlying theory is sound. Say for instance that you want to transition from a white man to a black woman. Utilizing CRISPR technology, you can create a non-contagious virus with the sole purpose of removing the 'white man' genes and replace them with 'black woman' genes. Give it a few months of treatment and accelerated growth, and just like that, you've transitioned races and gender. Another thing you fail to address is the non-harmful attempts. For instance, literal conversion therapy. As in, talking to an actual therapist about it."

- Chief Delegate Rodgers

OOC: Pretty much, nothing you said would be acceptable logic because it violates Reasonable Nation Theory. As much as I am not a fan of RNT (as those who've cited it against me can attest), I must admit that having a single technological standard and a standard for what is acceptable as a range of government practices and lifeforms is necessary to make this game workable.

Sorry, but while I really can't counter it, I ultimately don't need to.

[Figu]

"You still have yet to address the fact that such treatments are possible without harm in Post Modern Technology nations. As has been mentioned in a different discussion, Laka has the technology to transition race and gender without harm. Although we Figuans have not yet achieved that level of technology, the underlying theory is sound. Say for instance that you want to transition from a white man to a black woman. Utilizing CRISPR technology, you can create a non-contagious virus with the sole purpose of removing the 'white man' genes and replace them with 'black woman' genes. Give it a few months of treatment and accelerated growth, and just like that, you've transitioned races and gender. Another thing you fail to address is the non-harmful attempts. For instance, literal conversion therapy. As in, talking to an actual therapist about it."

- Chief Delegate Rodgers

OOC: Pretty much, nothing you said would be acceptable logic because it violates Reasonable Nation Theory. As much as I am not a fan of RNT (as those who've cited it against me can attest), I must admit that having a single technological standard and a standard for what is acceptable as a range of government practices and lifeforms is necessary to make this game workable.

Sorry, but while I really can't counter it, I ultimately don't need to.

OOC: You do realize CRISPR is a thing that actually exists right? As in, right now. All it would take is a better understanding of how to modify the genome, and this is entirely possible.

[Trellania]

OOC: You do realize CRISPR is a thing that actually exists right? As in, right now. All it would take is a better understanding of how to modify the genome, and this is entirely possible.

OOC: CRISPR doesn't allow you to suddenly turn a white man into a black woman. You may be able to replace the genes, but the actual expression of them is not going to be fully seen unless you are doing this to an embryo (and even then, I might have been fed too much scifi to think it's possible even that late). Pretty much, you're outside the realm of what modern technology is capable of.

Plus, this has been ruled illegal by a mod. You can argue with Sep ICly all you wish, but even I'm not stupid enough to argue with Sep speaking as a mod. And I'm pretty dumb; just ask Sep and IA.

[Daarwyrth]

"I question why you oppose the idea that nations should be free to decide their own cultures and fates. I wonder how long it will be before the World Assembly changes its mind on the voluntary aspect of membership. Figu is in a position of economic strength and thus has a choice in the matter. Other nations are not so lucky. There are doubtless thousands of satellite states in the WA's orbit, economically dependent yet ideologically opposed. These nations have no choice but to go along with this charade of liberty, as their cultures and national identities are slowly whittled away into nothing."

Vyn Nysen: "Oh please, you're not the first backwater to use the 'but my freedom' farce and sadly you won't be the last. The World Assembly outlived every other conservative cesspit that attempted a similar spiel and will outlive your nation just the same. Like all the other times, your attempt will fail."

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: You do realize CRISPR is a thing that actually exists right? As in, right now. All it would take is a better understanding of how to modify the genome, and this is entirely possible.

OOC: CRISPR doesn't allow you to suddenly turn a white man into a black woman. You may be able to replace the genes, but the actual expression of them is not going to be fully seen unless you are doing this to an embryo (and even then, I might have been fed too much scifi to think it's possible even that late). Pretty much, you're outside the realm of what modern technology is capable of.

Plus, this has been ruled illegal by a mod. You can argue with Sep ICly all you wish, but even I'm not stupid enough to argue with Sep speaking as a mod. And I'm pretty dumb; just ask Sep and IA.

Ooc: GenSec =/= mod

[Figu]

"I question why you oppose the idea that nations should be free to decide their own cultures and fates. I wonder how long it will be before the World Assembly changes its mind on the voluntary aspect of membership. Figu is in a position of economic strength and thus has a choice in the matter. Other nations are not so lucky. There are doubtless thousands of satellite states in the WA's orbit, economically dependent yet ideologically opposed. These nations have no choice but to go along with this charade of liberty, as their cultures and national identities are slowly whittled away into nothing."

Vyn Nysen: "Oh please, you're not the first backwater to use the 'but my freedom' farce and sadly you won't be the last. The World Assembly outlived every other conservative cesspit that attempted a similar spiel and will outlive your nation just the same. Like all the other times, your attempt will fail."

"First of all, you misclassify Figu as conservative. We are not. How many times must we reiterate we do not care what your gender or sexuality are. We give equal rights to all of our people. We are libertarian, rather than conservative. I must also ask, why is the idea of liberty and sovereignty a 'farce'? Do you truly care about people's rights? Or is it just about what you think is right? Majority doesn't make it right. It never has."

Plus, this has been ruled illegal by a mod. You can argue with Sep ICly all you wish, but even I'm not stupid enough to argue with Sep speaking as a mod. And I'm pretty dumb; just ask Sep and IA.

OOC: Well that explains how the WA became this massive dumpster fire. The mods are using their powers to enforce their ideology upon the WA. They simply shut down any proposal incompatible with their beliefs at the drawing board, regardless of actual legality.

- Chief Delegate Rodgers

[Trellania]

OOC: Well that explains how the WA became this massive dumpster fire. The mods are using their powers to enforce their ideology upon the WA. They simply shut down any proposal incompatible with their beliefs at the drawing board, regardless of actual legality.

OOC: As Sep pointed out, he's GenSec, not a mod. Remember, I did call myself dumb up above. So that kind of mistake would come from me.

And, no, they are not enforcing any ideology. GenSec are simply enforcing the mechanical rules of the game for the WA. It is the members who determine the ideology.

Could someone smarter than me take over if this causes further confusion?

[Separatist Peoples]

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OOC: Well that explains how the WA became this massive dumpster fire. The mods are using their powers to enforce their ideology upon the WA. They simply shut down any proposal incompatible with their beliefs at the drawing board, regardless of actual legality.

Ooc: nope. We apply the rules to the proposal. Without mercy. If you want to pass something, do it in a way that comport with the rules. Your ideology is irrelevant to us.

[Wallenburg]

OOC: You do realize CRISPR is a thing that actually exists right? As in, right now. All it would take is a better understanding of how to modify the genome, and this is entirely possible.

No, it isn't possible. Laka's rather concerning fantasies are not rooted in science.

[Daarwyrth]

"First of all, you misclassify Figu as conservative. We are not. How many times must we reiterate we do not care what your gender or sexuality are. We give equal rights to all of our people. We are libertarian, rather than conservative. I must also ask, why is the idea of liberty and sovereignty a 'farce'? Do you truly care about people's rights? Or is it just about what you think is right? Majority doesn't make it right. It never has."

Vyn Nysen: "The only farce I'm seeing here is this little act of righteousness that you're putting up. Unless your translators aren't translating properly, I referred to you putting up a farce. But of course, Ambassador, you're one of those types that will twist every single thing to a misformed shape of how it was presented just for the sake of your own argument.

You don't care about liberty. You don't care about freedom. You want to impose your cultural values and ideals onto your people in an unrestricted manner, within giving a single damn about what values and ideals your people actually hold. That is why I called your act a farce, not liberty and sovereignty itself."

OOC: Well that explains how the WA became this massive dumpster fire. The mods are using their powers to enforce their ideology upon the WA. They simply shut down any proposal incompatible with their beliefs at the drawing board, regardless of actual legality.

OOC: Oh, cut the crap already, we have heard this bad joke time and time again and it didn't get any funnier. Every single time the WA does something that one nation doesn't like because it isn't conservative or is "too progressive" it's always the fault of the mods, the GenSec or Max Barry. It's always the same song and it's getting really bland by now. If you don't like the WA, the ideals its community espouses or the way it functions, you literally have a resign button that you can use. You're not forced to stay, and never will be.

[Tsaivao]

OOC: Well that explains how the WA became this massive dumpster fire. The mods are using their powers to enforce their ideology upon the WA. They simply shut down any proposal incompatible with their beliefs at the drawing board, regardless of actual legality.

OOC: Your proposal is illegal because it would repeal swaths of legislation. The ONLY valid way to do a repeal is to make a specific repeal on one piece of legislation at a time. This has been a facet of the WA from the very beginning, and has absolutely nothing to do with whatever absurdist partisanship you want to claim next. No world assembly resolution, whether in draft, quorum, queue, or vote, has ever been made illegal on the basis of ideological grounds.

The fact of the matter is that you're incapable of recognizing the difference between ideologically-charged resolutions and poorly-written, illegal resolutions, and you're immediately assuming the former because you've written the latter and cannot accept it.

I could go on and on about how flimsy of a bill this is anyway, but since you yourself have admitted to the "dumpster fire" that we are, then I don't think you're going to take any constructive criticism.

Tsaivao opposes.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: You do realize CRISPR is a thing that actually exists right? As in, right now. All it would take is a better understanding of how to modify the genome, and this is entirely possible.

No, it isn't possible. Laka's rather concerning fantasies are not rooted in science.

OOC: What exactly is concerning about my views of the future? Please explain (in a TG not here don’t want to threadjack)
We have nations with sapient, walking and talking bead and you call my relatively hard sci-fi this?

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: If the author is confused, I direct him towards the GA rules and GenSec's procedures, both of which are stickied at the top of the forum.

I havent bothered reading really any of the arguments in the thread. I read the original post and posted accordingly based on my understanding of the rules.

[Figu]

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OOC: Well that explains how the WA became this massive dumpster fire. The mods are using their powers to enforce their ideology upon the WA. They simply shut down any proposal incompatible with their beliefs at the drawing board, regardless of actual legality.

Ooc: nope. We apply the rules to the proposal. Without mercy. If you want to pass something, do it in a way that comport with the rules. Your ideology is irrelevant to us.

OOC: Considering your statements on the proposal currently in vote, I don't think that's true.

OOC: Well that explains how the WA became this massive dumpster fire. The mods are using their powers to enforce their ideology upon the WA. They simply shut down any proposal incompatible with their beliefs at the drawing board, regardless of actual legality.

OOC: Your proposal is illegal because it would repeal swaths of legislation. The ONLY valid way to do a repeal is to make a specific repeal on one piece of legislation at a time. This has been a facet of the WA from the very beginning, and has absolutely nothing to do with whatever absurdist partisanship you want to claim next. No world assembly resolution, whether in draft, quorum, queue, or vote, has ever been made illegal on the basis of ideological grounds.

The fact of the matter is that you're incapable of recognizing the difference between ideologically-charged resolutions and poorly-written, illegal resolutions, and you're immediately assuming the former because you've written the latter and cannot accept it.

I could go on and on about how flimsy of a bill this is anyway, but since you yourself have admitted to the "dumpster fire" that we are, then I don't think you're going to take any constructive criticism.

Tsaivao opposes.

OOC: You know what? I actually appreciate your constructive criticism. Good to know. Still, I find it hard to believe that people are capable of being entirely objective. Consider this proposal retracted.

"It has been decided that the Republic of Figu, seeing the lack of support for reform, shall withdraw from the World Assembly, effective immediately. This delegation will remain for the purpose of connecting with like-minded nations and national security purposes."

- Chief Delegate Rodgers

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Considering your statements on the proposal currently in vote, I don't think that's true.

Ooc: so you have evidence that I used GenSec tools or authority inappropriately to justify this accusation of misconduct?

Because GenSec in their role as players and not as site staff are allowed to play the game as players.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

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TBH I agree with SP here. Rework your proposal not to violate the rules and I think that it actually had a decent chance of passing.

[Figu]

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OOC: Considering your statements on the proposal currently in vote, I don't think that's true.

Ooc: so you have evidence that I used GenSec tools or authority inappropriately to justify this accusation of misconduct?

OOC: No. I'm just rather cynical considering how polarized everything is these days. You hear all sorts of stories about mods abusing their power on other forums and whatnot, so I find the idea believable. It isn't an accusation. It's more of a "press X to doubt" situation.

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: No. I'm just rather cynical considering how polarized everything is these days. You hear all sorts of stories about mods abusing their power on other forums and whatnot, so I find the idea believable. It isn't an accusation. It's more of a "press X to doubt" situation.

Ah, so you're just making conclusory assertions with no evidence at all.

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: so you have evidence that I used GenSec tools or authority inappropriately to justify this accusation of misconduct?

OOC: No. I'm just rather cynical considering how polarized everything is these days. You hear all sorts of stories about mods abusing their power on other forums and whatnot, so I find the idea believable. It isn't an accusation. It's more of a "press X to doubt" situation.

Ooc: so no evidence. Duly noted. I'll file this away as whining, then.