[PASSED] End Conversion Therapy

[Daarwyrth]

Dame Maria vyn Nysen, WA Representative of Daarwyrth: "It pleases me tremendously to see this resolution proposal receiving vast support. I am honestly shocked that the Delegate of the North Pacific chose the side of the opposition, which places them in less than savoury company, in my opinion. Most disappointing to see the North Pacific present itself as an opposing force to the LGBTQ+ community."

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Dame Maria vyn Nysen, WA Representative of Daarwyrth: "It pleases me tremendously to see this resolution proposal receiving vast support. I am honestly shocked that the Delegate of the North Pacific chose the side of the opposition, which places them in less than savoury company, in my opinion. Most disappointing to see the North Pacific present itself as an opposing force to the LGBTQ+ community."

Obraztsova: Ambassador, this may be very well the last time we’ll ever talk for many reasons, but would you kindly mind explaining to you why should this assembly allow adults to kill themselves as well as leave many other body-damaging things unregulated yet needs to prohibit them from receiving conversion therapy?

[Greater Cesnica]

The Ministry of World Assembly Affairs of The North Pacific has recommended a vote Against the GA Resolution "End Conversion Therapy". Its reasoning may be found here.

[Separatist Peoples]

Dame Maria vyn Nysen, WA Representative of Daarwyrth: "It pleases me tremendously to see this resolution proposal receiving vast support. I am honestly shocked that the Delegate of the North Pacific chose the side of the opposition, which places them in less than savoury company, in my opinion. Most disappointing to see the North Pacific present itself as an opposing force to the LGBTQ+ community."

Obraztsova: Ambassador, this may be very well the last time we’ll ever talk for many reasons, but would you kindly mind explaining to you why should this assembly allow adults to kill themselves as well as leave many other body-damaging things unregulated yet needs to prohibit them from receiving conversion therapy?

"Assisted suicide involves facilitating a choice, as does conversion therapy. Unlike conversion therapy, assisted suicide bears fewer risks of coersion on the basis of sexuality conversion therapy is innately coercive.

"Morover, conversion therapy provides no state utility beyond harming the LGBT community. Assisted suicide allows individuals who face prolonged decay of health to face a dignified end while reducing the risk of prolonged drains on medical and financial resources. Assisted suicide has a redeeming value. Conversion therapy does not.

"At least that's what I can come up with in 30 seconds."

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Obraztsova: Ambassador, this may be very well the last time we’ll ever talk for many reasons, but would you kindly mind explaining to you why should this assembly allow adults to kill themselves as well as leave many other body-damaging things unregulated yet needs to prohibit them from receiving conversion therapy?

"Assisted suicide involves facilitating a choice, as does conversion therapy. Unlike conversion therapy, assisted suicide bears fewer risks of coersion on the basis of sexuality conversion therapy is innately coercive.

"Morover, conversion therapy provides no state utility beyond harming the LGBT community. Assisted suicide allows individuals who face prolonged decay of health to face a dignified end while reducing the risk of prolonged drains on medical and financial resources. Assisted suicide has a redeeming value. Conversion therapy does not.

"At least that's what I can come up with in 30 seconds."

Well, I can provide more than enough examples of assisted suicide being used as a weapon of oppression. A good example is the predecessor of our Queen, His Royal Majesty who used assisted suicide as a way to get rid of probable dissidents and peace activists during The Great War. Our Queen is also planning on using it after we retire.

Furthermore, I’ve given before an example of our nation’s racial conversion therapy which does work and still would be banned under this resolution.

Finally, the question of wether or not anti-LGBTQ conversion therapy works is mostly a technical questions- and since we have a Kardashev scale 3 civilizations in the WA, I highly doubt that making it work is such an impossible thing.

[Separatist Peoples]

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Well, I can provide more than enough examples of assisted suicide being used as a weapon of oppression. A good example is the predecessor of our Queen, His Royal Majesty who used assisted suicide as a way to get rid of probable dissidents and peace activists during The Great War. Our Queen is also planning on using it after we retire.

"That, sounds like a failure of your system, not a failure of policy."

Furthermore, I’ve given before an example of our nation’s racial conversion therapy which does work and still would be banned under this resolution.

"I've seen no such description, but I am prepared to be even more disgusted by your nation, ambassador. Sock it to me."

Finally, the question of wether or not anti-LGBTQ conversion therapy works is mostly a technical questions- and since we have a Kardashev scale 3 civilizations in the WA, I highly doubt that making it work is such an impossible thing.

"Considering it seeks to brainwash a participant into denying an immutable aspect of their personhood, technical success is a lesser concern than negative side effects."

[Daarwyrth]

Obraztsova: Ambassador, this may be very well the last time we’ll ever talk for many reasons, but would you kindly mind explaining to you why should this assembly allow adults to kill themselves as well as leave many other body-damaging things unregulated yet needs to prohibit them from receiving conversion therapy?

Vyn Nysen: "We completely agree with the explanation that was provided by the delegation from Separatist Peoples. Assisted suicide enables those who are ailing from legitimate and true diseases or a decaying health to end their life in a dignified manner. Conversion therapy instead is based on fictional and bigotry, with no legitimate concern present within it, other than harming people who identify as LGBTQ+. Conversion therapy is built and rooted upon false ideas on sexuality and gender, and thus reprehensible. Assisted suicide is built upon the idea to end suffering and meet a dignified end to a life. The two are incomparable, Ambassador. It is a pity your nation was unable to transcend its... restricted perspective on the world."

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Obraztsova: Ambassador, this may be very well the last time we’ll ever talk for many reasons, but would you kindly mind explaining to you why should this assembly allow adults to kill themselves as well as leave many other body-damaging things unregulated yet needs to prohibit them from receiving conversion therapy?

Vyn Nysen: "We completely agree with the explanation that was provided by the delegation from Separatist Peoples. Assisted suicide enables those who are ailing from legitimate and true diseases or a decaying health to end their life in a dignified manner. Conversion therapy instead is based on fictional and bigotry, with no legitimate concern present within it, other than harming people who identify as LGBTQ+. Conversion therapy is built and rooted upon false ideas on sexuality and gender, and thus reprehensible. Assisted suicide is built upon the idea to end suffering and meet a dignified end to a life. The two are incomparable, Ambassador. It is a pity your nation was unable to transcend its... restricted perspective on the world."

I wouldn’t call it restricted, ambassador, it’s simply different. We could debate about the truthfulness of the gender theory your narion upholds, however this would be a waste of your and mine time. In our case, conversion therapy is built on the wish to allow man to transcend his bodily limitations and to allow a person to be who he really wishes to be (within societal limits). It’s not our fault that in the majority case convsrriong therapy was such a bad thing.

[Lapedonia]

Nós da Lapedonia somos contra, mas como faço para votar?

[Chiloshia]

"The Empire of Chiloshia is deeply concerned by the broadness of this resolution. While safeguarding children from coerced conversion therapy, and preventing its use as a tool of the criminal justice system, is a laudable and worthwhile endeavor righteously accomplished by GAR #437, this proposed resolution would make it illegal to operate a service supporting people whose personal consciences conflict with their patterns of attraction in living lives that they themselves conclude to be a moral improvement.

In seeking to extend the prohibition of conversion therapy to that which is voluntarily pursued by the patient his or herself, while the WA maintains several resolutions that protect the legality of procedures that inherently involve the death of the patient or third party, it becomes clear that many nations in the WA regard consensual attempts to alter one's own patterns of attraction, or increase their comfort with their born sex, as worse than death.

The claim that the legality of consensual conversion therapy provides no state utility but some sort of sadism towards individuals who engage in intercourse with their own sex, and those with gender dysphoria, is also patently unconfirmable. Potential state utilities include, but are not restricted to, limiting the spread of venereal disease, reduced traffic obstruction during the month of June, and a slight increase in birthrate. These may seem like insulting attempts at dark humor, but they are no more ghastly a recognition of statistics and observable phenomena than that made by those who assert that assisted suicide saves the state money on caring for the terminally ill.

Overall, all nations with concern for the right of freely-associating adults to engage in any exercise of organized and supported self-control that they wish must reject the resolution at vote, and seek avenues to defend said right if passed."

-Chiloshian Office of Foreign Affairs, signed by Lady Ibelyeń Ərańa, Foreign Minister.

[Lapedonia]

Creio que o mundo tem preocupações maiores do que essa. A Lapedonia é contra essa resolução. Temos que nos preocupar com questões econômicas e principalmente a distribuição de renda mundial.[proposal=] A Lapêdonia gostaria de propor a cooperação mútua de ccmpromisso de renda igualitária[/proposal]

[Wallenburg]

Creio que o mundo tem preocupações maiores do que essa. A Lapedonia é contra essa resolução. Temos que nos preocupar com questões econômicas e principalmente a distribuição de renda mundial.[proposal=] A Lapêdonia gostaria de propor a cooperação mútua de ccmpromisso de renda igualitária[/proposal]

This is not the place to make recommendations for different policy proposals. If you want to write a universal income guarantee or something along those lines, you'll have to do so in a new thread. I recommend reading this guide or some other guide to World Assembly authorship. In particular, I recommend you look through the body of passed resolutions to see whether your idea contradicts or duplicates existing law, and so you can plan out exactly how you want to write a proposal.

[Bears Armed]

Creio que o mundo tem preocupações maiores do que essa. A Lapedonia é contra essa resolução. Temos que nos preocupar com questões econômicas e principalmente a distribuição de renda mundial.[proposal=] A Lapêdonia gostaria de propor a cooperação mútua de ccmpromisso de renda igualitária[/proposal]

This is not the place to make recommendations for different policy proposals. If you want to write a universal income guarantee or something along those lines, you'll have to do so in a new thread. I recommend reading this guide or some other guide to World Assembly authorship. In particular, I recommend you look through the body of passed resolutions to see whether your idea contradicts or duplicates existing law, and so you can plan out exactly how you want to write a proposal.

OOC: Also, note that proposals must be written in English.

[Velosia]

Velosia, Kingdom of: AGAINST

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We feel that it is the view of any reasonable individual, including the majority of Velosians, that so-called 'conversion therapy' should not be promoted under any circumstances.

We feel that it is, at best, a misguided practice that should not be afforded any sort of moral or scientific legitimacy. However, when it comes to the legitimacy of the practice under the law, we take a somewhat different view.

We feel that an outright ban of the practice, without leaving the door open for individuals who may wish to voluntarily seek out such services, greatly infringes upon such individuals' freedom of choice.

Had the exclusive aim of this resolution been to merely outlaw the use of coercive recruitment practices and/or prohibit minors from accessing such services, we would have unquestionably given it our full support.

However, as it currently stands, the Velosian delegation is not prepared to extend its support for this resolution.

[Trellania]

"The Empire of Chiloshia is deeply concerned by the broadness of this resolution. While safeguarding children from coerced conversion therapy, and preventing its use as a tool of the criminal justice system, is a laudable and worthwhile endeavor righteously accomplished by GAR #437, this proposed resolution would make it illegal to operate a service supporting people whose personal consciences conflict with their patterns of attraction in living lives that they themselves conclude to be a moral improvement.

In seeking to extend the prohibition of conversion therapy to that which is voluntarily pursued by the patient his or herself, while the WA maintains several resolutions that protect the legality of procedures that inherently involve the death of the patient or third party, it becomes clear that many nations in the WA regard consensual attempts to alter one's own patterns of attraction, or increase their comfort with their born sex, as worse than death.

The claim that the legality of consensual conversion therapy provides no state utility but some sort of sadism towards individuals who engage in intercourse with their own sex, and those with gender dysphoria, is also patently unconfirmable. Potential state utilities include, but are not restricted to, limiting the spread of venereal disease, reduced traffic obstruction during the month of June, and a slight increase in birthrate. These may seem like insulting attempts at dark humor, but they are no more ghastly a recognition of statistics and observable phenomena than that made by those who assert that assisted suicide saves the state money on caring for the terminally ill.

Overall, all nations with concern for the right of freely-associating adults to engage in any exercise of organized and supported self-control that they wish must reject the resolution at vote, and seek avenues to defend said right if passed."

-Chiloshian Office of Foreign Affairs, signed by Lady Ibelyeń Ərańa, Foreign Minister.

Dame Allania Trueblood tilts her head.

"We have several nations here that have provided studies which confirm it. Trellania's own studies also back the matter. And just as this proposal bans the use of conversion therapy even for volunteers, the earlier ban on torture bans people from volunteering to have a car battery hooked up to their chest and be alternatively beaten and waterboarded by their government. We see no reason why people of sound mind would volunteer for either the car battery event or conversion therapy, and our mental health professionals agree.

"Venereal disease can be dealt with using proper birth control devices.

"I must admit confusion as to why traffic in June is such an issue; are people having flash..." She pauses as she remembers where she is and that these transcripts are public."... 'adult group fun events' in the streets? I cannot imagine any other reason, as everything else can be handled with proper planning and response training. I must admire the willingness of your nation to allow such events if that is the case, though I admit I must wonder why you have not developed proper planning and response procedures for such. Unless... is it your law enforcement doing the flash 'adult group fun events?' Oh my..." The knight puts her hand over her mouth in mock shock. "That is one way to ensure your police forces feel comfortable with each other.

"Birthrate increases can be dealt with using proper planning, or failing that just encouraging more use of birth control. Seriously, we live right next to the ice and have no problems keeping our population growth under control. If you want it to rise, just offer them a tax incentive to have more babies. I don't see why conversion therapy would have any impact on that.

"I do not see how your logic supports the idea of opposing this. As such, you have only convinced me even more that it must be supported."

[Kiritibati]

Though I am not convinced that it's impossible for an adult of sound mind to want conversion therapy, and I would love to see a study showing that, I believe that the benefits of this proposal toward helping mental health in every nation far outweighs the loss to those who would've wanted conversion therapy.

Edit: if it wasn't clear, yes I support the resolution.

[Otaku Stratus]

Oh I see. So it's okay when you pressure and convert us.

[Alesya]

If illegalize those practices can protect the majority of LGBTQ+ community from dangerous judgments, our nation will follow.

A strong For.

[Trellania]

Oh I see. So it's okay when you pressure and convert us.

"Ambassador, please forgive me for asking this, but who are you talking about? Trellania is not converting people to our faux medieval way of life, the proposal's authoring nation is not converting people despite the thousands of pieces of legislation they send to this assembly, I don't know of any gay or trans people who want to convert others and my nation isn't exactly lacking for them... And if you're talking about the WA itself, you literally signed up for that."

[Wallenburg]

Oh I see. So it's okay when you pressure and convert us.

"Ambassador, please forgive me for asking this, but who are you talking about? Trellania is not converting people to our faux medieval way of life, the proposal's authoring nation is not converting people despite the thousands of pieces of legislation they send to this assembly, I don't know of any gay or trans people who want to convert others and my nation isn't exactly lacking for them... And if you're talking about the WA itself, you literally signed up for that."

What are you talking about? Tinfect trans'd 5 kids since Sunday.

[New Zachary]

Frankly, I have no respect for people with the audacity to still support conversion therapy. Not only is it ineffective, its methods are utterly inhumane, ranging from shock therapy to aversion therapy. What makes it even worse is that it works on the premise that not only can homosexuality be changed, but that homosexuality is for some reason wrong.

On behalf of The Kingdom of Idris

[Separatist Peoples]

Oh I see. So it's okay when you pressure and convert us.

"Implying an equivalency between seeing your unpopular, backward brand of politics losing a democratic vote and the forceful brainwashing of gay, lesbian, and trans people is laughable, ambassador."

[Tentona]

“If I am being honest with you, dear friends, we here in Tentona place our support behind this resolution, however, we are respectful of the concerns on broad terms. All and all, we the Tentonan government, and likewise the Tentonan people are in support of the resolution.”

[Libervalley]

The government of Libervalley will not ban activity that the government it has no business banning and let a free people make their own choices. If an adult under their own free will wants to engage in conversion therapy there is no reason for the government to intervene. In addition minors are not old enough to fully understand, and make those life changing decisions at such an early age and therefore the responsibility should be left to the parents/guardians, not the government. The Libervalley government questions whether the conversion therapy itself has negative effects or the confused state of mind and search for meaning is responsible for the mental health deterioration. If the conversion therapy was the cause of negative health effects than why do people of different sexual orientation continue to have extremely elevated levels of suicide and mental health problems even after being "accepted"? For the reasons stated above the government of Libervalley will not be supporting this resolution.

[Trellania]

What are you talking about? Tinfect trans'd 5 kids since Sunday.

"Do you think the nation of Tinfect takes requests? Otaku Stratus could use an intervention or six."