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[DRAFT] International Agency for Monitoring Cyclonic Storms

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[DRAFT] International Agency for Monitoring Cyclonic Storms

Postby The Great Nation of Sawgrassia » Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:17 am

Originally Inspired By Molotovsk

I wanted to keep the scope of this proposal relatively narrow and to just include the formation/basic responsibilities of this agency. Other topics such as funding for nation-states or providing resources after a cyclonic storm hits are beyond this narrow scope and may be supported through future legislation.

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Most August Nation-State Members of the World Assembly:

Acknowledging cyclonic storms are an extremely powerful and extremely dangerous meteorological phenomenon which can possess the potential to utterly devastate entire nation-states suddenly and with little notice

Acknowledging cyclonic storms can be extremely volatile and are extremely difficult to predict and forecast

Recognizing the ability to effectively record, predict, track, and forecast cyclonic storms is of the most critical importance for many member nations and that many member nations do not possess this ability

Recognizing that no such body with the sole function of recording, predicting, tracking, and forecasting cyclonic storms yet exists

It Shall Henceforth and Hereunto Be Known That, Upon Passage, This Resolution:

Hereby


    1. Establishes a new World Assembly agency within the International Meteorological Organization (IMO) tasked with recording, predicting, tracking, and forecasting cyclonic storm events for the World Assembly and all its nation-state members

      a. This agency shall be called the International Agency for Monitoring Cyclonic Storms (IAMCS)

      b. This agency shall release an updated discussion on any possible cyclonic activity (or the lack thereof) at least once every 24 hours, and at least once every 6 hours during times of active cyclonic storms

    2. Compels member nations with the capability to record, predict, track, and forecast to share any relevant data they may collect with the IAMCS

    3. Prohibits member nations from blocking or withholding the access to and/or dissemination of materials emanating from the IAMCS



Most August Nation-State Members of the World Assembly:

Acknowledging cyclonic storms are an extremely powerful and extremely dangerous meteorological phenomenon which can possess the potential to utterly devastate entire nation-states suddenly and with little notice

Acknowledging cyclonic storms can be extremely volatile and are extremely difficult to predict and forecast

Recognizing the ability to effectively record, predict, track, and forecast cyclonic storms is of the most critical importance for many nation-states and that many nation-states do not possess this ability

Recognizing that no such body with the sole function of recording, predicting, tracking, and forecasting cyclonic storms yet exists

It Shall Henceforth and Hereunto Be Known That, Upon Passage, This Resolution:

Hereby


    1. Establishes a new World Assembly agency within the International Meteorological Organization (IMO) tasked with recording, predicting, tracking, and forecasting cyclonic storm events for the World Assembly and all its nation-state members

      a. This agency shall be called the International Agency for Monitoring Cyclonic Storms (IAMCS)

      b. This agency shall release an updated discussion on any possible cyclonic activity (or the lack thereof) at least once every 24 hours, and at least once every 6 hours during times of active cyclonic storms

    2. Compels nation-state members with the capability to record, predict, track, and forecast to share any relevant data they may collect with the IAMCS

    3. Prohibits nation-states from blocking or withholding the access to and/or dissemination of materials emanating from the IAMCS



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box]Most August Nation-State Members of the World Assembly:

Acknowledging cyclonic storms are an extremely powerful and extremely dangerous meteorological phenomenon which can possess the potential to utterly devastate entire nation-states suddenly and with little notice

Acknowledging cyclonic storms can be extremely volatile and are extremely difficult to predict and forecast

Recognizing the ability to effectively record, predict, track, and forecast cyclonic storms is of the most critical importance for many nation-states and that many nation-states do not possess this ability

Recognizing that no such body with the sole function of recording, predicting, tracking, and forecasting cyclonic storms yet exists

It Shall Henceforth and Hereunto Be Known That, Upon Passage, This Resolution:

Hereby


    1. Establishes a new World Assembly agency within the International Meteorological Organization (IMO) tasked with recording, predicting, tracking, and forecasting cyclonic storm events for the World Assembly and all its nation-state members

      a. This agency shall be called the International Agency for Monitoring Cyclonic Storms (IAMCS)

      b. This agency shall release an updated discussion on any possible cyclonic activity (or the lack thereof) at least once every 24 hours, and at least once every 6 hours during times of active cyclonic storms

    2. Compels nation-state members with the capability to record, predict, track, and forecast to share any relevant data they may collect with the IAMCS

    3. Prohibits nation-states from blocking or withholding the access to and/or dissemination of materials emanating from the IAMCS

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Postby Bananaistan » Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:33 am

OOC: Decent proposal but I'm struggling to see how GAR#87 doesn't already cover this.
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:52 am

Bananaistan wrote:OOC: Decent proposal but I'm struggling to see how GAR#87 doesn't already cover this.

OOC: And #105 for what it doesn't.
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Postby The Great Nation of Sawgrassia » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:21 am

Bananaistan wrote:OOC: Decent proposal but I'm struggling to see how GAR#87 doesn't already cover this.

OOC: There is definitely a lot of similarity. The aim of this proposal is to create an separate agency within the IMO specifically tasked with cyclones.

A good example would be how within NOAA there is (among others) the NWS (national weather service) and the NHC (national hurricane center). Often times there is overlap between the two. For instance, the NHC may issue general advisories regardless of NWS branch boundaries. Essentially, a hurricane warning may be issued for the majority of Florida’s east coast even though it encompasses more than one NWS office. Whereas, the NWS can still issue more specific advisories such as flood warnings and provide more specific forecasts for local areas.

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Postby Araraukar » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:27 am

The Great Nation of Sawgrassia wrote:OOC: There is definitely a lot of similarity. The aim of this proposal is to create an separate agency within the IMO specifically tasked with cyclones.

OOC: Why? All committees are paid for by ALL nations, including ones that have more issues with blizzards than tropical storms. If you can use an existing one, there's no need to make a new one just because you can. It's unnecessary waste of WA nations' money.

A good example would be how within NOAA there is (among others) the NWS (national weather service) and the NHC (national hurricane center). Often times there is overlap between the two. For instance, the NHC may issue general advisories regardless of NWS branch boundaries. Essentially, a hurricane warning may be issued for the majority of Florida’s east coast even though it encompasses more than one NWS office. Whereas, the NWS can still issue more specific advisories such as flood warnings and provide more specific forecasts for local areas.

Just because the USA is happy to pay for unnecessary bureaucracy, doesn't mean the WA nations are. And the two resolutions that Banana and I referenced for you, would in combination seem to be doing all of that as well.
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Postby The Great Nation of Sawgrassia » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:30 am

Araraukar wrote:
Bananaistan wrote:OOC: Decent proposal but I'm struggling to see how GAR#87 doesn't already cover this.

OOC: And #105 for what it doesn't.

OOC: I see your point. I feel that they are distinct enough to warrant separate legislation. I guess in my mind, GAR#105 is essentially like FEMA, GAR#87 is essentially like NOAA, and this proposal would create something like the National Hurricane Center (NHC)

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:54 am

this breaks the committee rule
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Postby Jedinsto » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:55 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:this breaks the committee rule

No it does not.

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Postby Ardiveds » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:55 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:this breaks the committee rule

OOC: Possibly meta gaming rule as well (nation-state members)
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:57 am

Jedinsto wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:this breaks the committee rule

No it does not.

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Postby Jedinsto » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:57 am

Ardiveds wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:this breaks the committee rule

OOC: Possibly meta gaming rule as well (nation-state members)

This maybe. But there are other effects on member nations than the committee, and nothing mentions committee staffing etc.

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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:02 am

Jedinsto wrote:
Ardiveds wrote:OOC: Possibly meta gaming rule as well (nation-state members)

This maybe. But there are other effects on member nations than the committee, and nothing mentions committee staffing etc.

(OOC: I concur that this does not violate the committee rule. It possibly breaks the meta-gaming rule, but that can be quite easily fixed by altering clause 3 to say ‘member nations’ instead of ‘nation-states’. While doing so, using ‘member nations’ rather than ‘nation-state member’ in clause 2 would be more standard, though there is nothing actually wrong with what you currently have there.)
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Postby Ardiveds » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:09 am

OOC: you write
Establishes a new World Assembly agency within the International Meteorological Organization (IMO) tasked with recording, predicting, tracking, and forecasting cyclonic storm events for the World Assembly and all its nation-state members

And then write
Compels nation-state members with the capability to record, predict, track, and forecast to share any relevant data they may collect with the IAMCS

If the committee is already doing all the tracking, recording and predicting, why would the member nations have to submit their own tracking, recording and predicting?
Also:
This agency shall release an updated discussion on any possible cyclonic activity (or the lack thereof) at least once every 24 hours, and at least once every 6 hours during times of active cyclonic storms

What does discussion mean here? Are the committee members going to sit down and have a meeting about suspicious wind columns? Also, considering member nations are spread over so many planets, it's safe to assume, there's always an active cyclone somewhere in the WA.
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Postby The Great Nation of Sawgrassia » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:51 am

Ardiveds wrote:OOC: you write
Establishes a new World Assembly agency within the International Meteorological Organization (IMO) tasked with recording, predicting, tracking, and forecasting cyclonic storm events for the World Assembly and all its nation-state members

And then write
Compels nation-state members with the capability to record, predict, track, and forecast to share any relevant data they may collect with the IAMCS

If the committee is already doing all the tracking, recording and predicting, why would the member nations have to submit their own tracking, recording and predicting?
Also:
This agency shall release an updated discussion on any possible cyclonic activity (or the lack thereof) at least once every 24 hours, and at least once every 6 hours during times of active cyclonic storms

What does discussion mean here? Are the committee members going to sit down and have a meeting about suspicious wind columns? Also, considering member nations are spread over so many planets, it's safe to assume, there's always an active cyclone somewhere in the WA.

OOC: A “discussion” is essentially just an update on what’s happening with the weather. It’s an overview of what’s happening. If you look at the NWS/NHC you’ll see a forecasters discussion. It’s essentially explaining what is happening and what g will happen and why.

For the sharing of data, let’s say a nation with the appropriate capabilities has a cyclone threatening the nation and has meteorological instruments deployed to collect data on the incoming storm. This resolution would compel such nations to share the relevant data they collect with the IAMCS

In the event there is a period of time in which no cyclonic activity is occurring, updates are required every 24 hours. If there is cyclonic activity, then it’s every 6 hours

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Postby Ardiveds » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:19 pm

The Great Nation of Sawgrassia wrote:
Ardiveds wrote:
OOC: you write
And then write
If the committee is already doing all the tracking, recording and predicting, why would the member nations have to submit their own tracking, recording and predicting?
Also:
What does discussion mean here? Are the committee members going to sit down and have a meeting about suspicious wind columns? Also, considering member nations are spread over so many planets, it's safe to assume, there's always an active cyclone somewhere in the WA.

OOC: A “discussion” is essentially just an update on what’s happening with the weather. It’s an overview of what’s happening. If you look at the NWS/NHC you’ll see a forecasters discussion. It’s essentially explaining what is happening and what g will happen and why.

For the sharing of data, let’s say a nation with the appropriate capabilities has a cyclone threatening the nation and has meteorological instruments deployed to collect data on the incoming storm. This resolution would compel such nations to share the relevant data they collect with the IAMCS

In the event there is a period of time in which no cyclonic activity is occurring, updates are required every 24 hours. If there is cyclonic activity, then it’s every 6 hours

OOC: Ok got what you mean by discussion. But that sounds kinda ridiculous for the WA. If a nation has recording equipment and competent Meteorologists, these discussions will be useless and even if a nation doesn't have them, they don't need updates on the like fifty or hundred cyclones raging all over the WA (another reminder that WA is not on one single planet). Why not just send nations data regarding cyclones near them or likely to threaten them and let them sort it out. These discussions seem fitting for a national body, not an international one.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:45 pm

I don't see how this nor Molo's proposal are necessary. It's sufficient enough for a nation with robust meteorological equipment to track cyclones, and I don't see how setting up an international panel would be that helpful. I mainly see this as a national issue and international coordination would have to be better executed than what you have here.
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:09 am

The Great Nation of Sawgrassia wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: And #105 for what it doesn't.

OOC: I see your point. I feel that they are distinct enough to warrant separate legislation. I guess in my mind, GAR#105 is essentially like FEMA, GAR#87 is essentially like NOAA, and this proposal would create something like the National Hurricane Center (NHC)

OOC: Well that's in your mind. You need a bloody good preamble to convince others why you're not just creating unnecessary bureaucracy for the sake of the author badge. "Predict, track and forecast" are already done by an existing resolution.
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