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[DRAFT] Ban On Leaded Products

Postby Freedomist fighters » Sat May 29, 2021 6:51 am

Hi guys, back again with a different bill I have been working on for quite some time now. I hope to gain some insightful feedback on the improvement of this bill, regardless of it content-wise or phrasing-wise. All help and comment would be appreciated. Thank you! :)
This bill essentially is adding on and enforcing GA#301.


The world assembly,

Recognises that various forms of lead are used in everyday products from construction materials to paint.

Concerned that our excessive use and reliance on Lead will pose a public health and environmental crisis for citizens in the present and the future,

Additionally, anxious that the lack of strict restriction on this common yet toxic heavy-metal would lead to a global catastrophe on a scale never seen before,

Without further restriction on leaded products, the risk of lead entering our food chains and water supply is highly probable. With various life-forms being able to absorb lead into their bloodstream through ingestion, inhalation and lead permeating through the skin. Lead in a life form's body can pose as a metal that the body needs for nutrition -such as calcium and zinc- without actually giving the lifeform the necessary nutrition it needs, killing the cell.
One major side effect of even a small amount of lead as small as 10mg can result in the death of a human being. With other smaller living organisms needing less than 10mg to die.

Noting that the side effects are even more prevalent in young children, with Lead being able to have a permanent reduction in the child’s Intellectual Quotient, etc;

Aware that there is no safe lead blood level;

Thereby finding it necessary to combat the presence of lead in everyday products to prevent it from affecting future generations;

Defines the term “Leaded product” as any good that contains any trace of lead.

Hereby requires that every WA member nation,

International
1a. Ban companies primarily such as paint manufacturers, construction companies, ammunition companies and oil companies from manufacturing goods that have leaded compounds in them.
1b. In the next 5 years, restrict and regulate the imports of leaded products from outside the WA, before banning lead products imports from the nation after the 5 years.
1c. Prohibits member nations from dumping lead waste into water bodies.

2. Furthermore, establishes the World Assembly Lead Research Programme-also known as WALRP. This programme would research and produce alternative metals to Lead and assist member nations in their efforts to remove lead in their nation. (as would be mentioned below).

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3a. Requires all member nations to ensure that lead compound in their tap water reserves, reservoirs- does not exceed 0.01mg/ 1000 cubic gallon.
3bi. Regularly inspect lead water pipes to ensure that no lead from corroding lead pipe seeps into tap water, member nations must remove and replace such pipes with other metal pipes such as copper, brass, etc.
3bii. Encourages all member nations to replace lead pipes with other alternative such as copper, brass, etc.
3c. Requires all member nations to replace lead in ammunition with alternatives such as copper, to prevent soldiers from large exposure to lead on the battlefield.
3d. Assist low-income families in providing for periodic cleaning of lead-painted apartments/houses.
3dii. Encourage nations to build affordable housing (without lead paint) for low-income families to move out of their current lead-painted apartments/houses.
3e. Seeks the assistance of member nation’s relevant food safety authorities to regularly ensure that agricultural produce does not contain traces of lead. In which they can recall produce from shop shelves if they are found to contain traces of lead.

4. Encourages member nations to enact other laws to prevent living organisms exposure to lead.

5. In the case that the nations are unable to commence following the requirements stated under any clause due to it being involved in an active conflict with another state-regardless the state being in WA or not-may postpone their accordance to the clauses by a maximum of 3 years after the end of 1c. (8 years in total after the passing of this law). Or the duration of the conflict itself after the passing of this law. Whichever of the 2 options come first.

6. Allows nation to have possession or import of pure metal lead for scientific or medical research where people coming into contact with this metal are wearing adequate protective equipment to prevent exposure to the metal.

7. Allows the export of lead products and/or pure metal lead for the countries economy.

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Postby Minskiev » Sat May 29, 2021 6:56 am

See GA#371. Admittedly, this might be repealed soon, however for now it's still a problem.

Also, preamble is wayyyy too long.

Oh and also. If GA#301 was ever repealed, do you think this proposal could still stand? If so, are you sure this isn't overlapping?
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Postby Freedomist fighters » Sat May 29, 2021 7:00 am

Minskiev wrote:See GA#371. Admittedly, this might be repealed soon, however for now it's still a problem.

Also, preamble is wayyyy too long.


1. I did see the repeal for #371, this only overlaps on #371 on a certain part which I wanted to add in after seeing the repeal. In addition, this primarily concerns lead and banning products that can harm the public, so it is much more stringent than the vagueness of #371.
2. I will work on it :) Thanks.

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Postby Minskiev » Sat May 29, 2021 7:09 am

Freedomist fighters wrote:
Minskiev wrote:See GA#371. Admittedly, this might be repealed soon, however for now it's still a problem.

Also, preamble is wayyyy too long.


1. I did see the repeal for #371, this only overlaps on #371 on a certain part which I wanted to add in after seeing the repeal. In addition, this primarily concerns lead and banning products that can harm the public, so it is much more stringent than the vagueness of #371.
2. I will work on it :) Thanks.


Well alright. I don't have much to do, so I'm gonna draft a rewrite of this to cut down wordiness and make it more consistent.
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Postby Freedomist fighters » Sat May 29, 2021 7:29 am

Minskiev wrote:See GA#371.
Oh and also. If GA#301 was ever repealed, do you think this proposal could still stand? If so, are you sure this isn't overlapping?



In addition, this would be a similar bill to GA#301, however, GA#301 only specify on leaded fuel, not on any other leaded product such as leaded paint. This is might have certain overlaps, however, this also direct nations to other solutions to lead in nations apart from just leaded fuel.

And on the part on whether I think this proposal would still stand, I think that is the entire purpose of this forum isn't it?

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Postby Island Girl Herby » Sat May 29, 2021 12:59 pm

OOC Can you hold off on this and wait for our replacement of GA#371? There will be quite a bit of overlap and we’re currently working on a draft offline that we’ll likely post on Monday.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat May 29, 2021 5:32 pm

"Any inclusion of ammunition will trigger an immediate and irreconcilable opposition from this delegation."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat May 29, 2021 6:10 pm

Okay I'll bite. Why do you need leaded ammunition, Sep?

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Postby Freedomist fighters » Sat May 29, 2021 6:55 pm

Island Girl Herby wrote:OOC Can you hold off on this and wait for our replacement of GA#371? There will be quite a bit of overlap and we’re currently working on a draft offline that we’ll likely post on Monday.

Will do. However do not that your draft is on toxic heavy metals which would be a general overview of toxic heavy metals in general, basically something like NAPA, GA#10. However, my ban would be more specific to lead as it is the most common of toxic heavy metals.
In the event of any overlap, I would replace the clause or change the wording if necessary.
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OOC: The preamble is an essay. It should not be an essay. Definition should be in the active clauses, not in preamble.
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Imperium Anglorum wrote:Okay I'll bite. Why do you need leaded ammunition, Sep?

"Lead ammunition deforms, lending it stopping power, remains stable in flight, lending it consistency, has an extremely efficient mass for energy transference, and is inexpensive compared to copper for the mass of the round. This requirement would make it extremely expensive for civilians, police, and the military to effectively train between conflicts due to significant budget concerns. Moreover, atmospheric lead concerns from shooting ranges are, environmentally, de minimis. Health-wise, one must shoot inside for hours per day for months or years for vaporized lead to be a notable concern. As a function of soil contamination, backstops at ranges can be sifted for solid lead without undue soil loss or remnant contamination once every few years. Soil with high lead content can be contained and decontaminated at an appropriate decontamination facility. The health and environmental concerns for lead are overblown. Were this trying to address radiological concerns relative to depleted uranium rounds, I may be convinced."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon May 31, 2021 6:01 pm

Elsie Mortimer Wellesley. If you're hunting, would not lead bullet fragmentation pollute the resulting carcass?

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Postby Scalizagasti » Mon May 31, 2021 7:49 pm

"Your definition of leaded product would include basically every single thing. Trace --i.e. very very small-- amounts of lead can be found in food products, for instance. Prohibiting products with absolutely zero lead at all would be impossible."
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Postby Freedomist fighters » Mon May 31, 2021 9:03 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Okay I'll bite. Why do you need leaded ammunition, Sep?

"Lead ammunition deforms, lending it stopping power, remains stable in flight, lending it consistency, has an extremely efficient mass for energy transference, and is inexpensive compared to copper for the mass of the round. This requirement would make it extremely expensive for civilians, police, and the military to effectively train between conflicts due to significant budget concerns. Moreover, atmospheric lead concerns from shooting ranges are, environmentally, de minimis. Health-wise, one must shoot inside for hours per day for months or years for vaporized lead to be a notable concern. As a function of soil contamination, backstops at ranges can be sifted for solid lead without undue soil loss or remnant contamination once every few years. Soil with high lead content can be contained and decontaminated at an appropriate decontamination facility. The health and environmental concerns for lead are overblown. Were this trying to address radiological concerns relative to depleted uranium rounds, I may be convinced."


I think it proved my point for upholding clause 3c., soldiers do spend a long time on battlefields.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19116438
Please also do note that clause 3c it's specifically for the military. Lead bullets would lead to a huge ecological problem with a vast sum of lead dust introduced into the air during war. I do believe it is a necessary trade-off for the future.
I would amend the language for 1a.

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Postby Freedomist fighters » Mon May 31, 2021 9:09 pm

Scalizagasti wrote:"Your definition of leaded product would include basically every single thing. Trace --i.e. very very small-- amounts of lead can be found in food products, for instance. Prohibiting products with absolutely zero lead at all would be impossible."


So you want me to introduce a clause for nations everywhere to ensure that the lead in roads do not seep into the soil, and ban agriculture near roads with lead?

If no, cause that would cripple peoples economy, then I believe that we still need clause 3e, however, I do understand your concern and would rephrase the language.

Putting agriculture aside, what other 'products' would be impossible to have no lead inside of it?

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon May 31, 2021 9:10 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Elsie Mortimer Wellesley. If you're hunting, would not lead bullet fragmentation pollute the resulting carcass?

You may as well ask "if you're fighting a tank, would not lead fail to penetrate the armor?" Ambassador, you use different bullets for different applications. Lead is, by far, the most widely suitable, but there exist others for specialized uses.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon May 31, 2021 9:26 pm

Why does a bullet need to be made from lead though? French Balle D ammunition, if I recall correctly, fired a brass bullet just fine. If lead fragments went all over an animal I also would expect them to have similar effects in human targets as well, causing collateral poisoning.

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Postby Freedomist fighters » Mon May 31, 2021 9:33 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Elsie Mortimer Wellesley. If you're hunting, would not lead bullet fragmentation pollute the resulting carcass?

You may as well ask "if you're fighting a tank, would not lead fail to penetrate the armor?" Ambassador, you use different bullets for different applications. Lead is, by far, the most widely suitable, but there exist others for specialized uses.


I think for all of us to have a meaningful debate. We need to set aside that we have 2 topics regarding this lead ammunition debate, which is military and recreational. I agree with you on the fact that different types of bullets have different users. So from what I gather right now, we are still debating on leaded bullets in military. But can we all agree that we should (at the very least) restrict leaded bullets for recreational firing.

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon May 31, 2021 9:42 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Why does a bullet need to be made from lead though? French Balle D ammunition, if I recall correctly, fired a brass bullet just fine. If lead fragments went all over an animal I also would expect them to have similar effects in human targets as well, causing collateral poisoning.

Madam Ambassador, I don't know about any "French" ammunition, but anomalous examples aren't of much use in the face of the reality that lead is, generally, a more economically viable and militarily optimal option. Perhaps these French bullets were made for a small, professional army, or perhaps lead was considered better used in other applications. You would know better than I, presumably, since you at least know to which nation these bullets belong.
Freedomist fighters wrote:I think for all of us to have a meaningful debate. We need to set aside that we have 2 topics regarding this lead ammunition debate, which is military and recreational. I agree with you on the fact that different types of bullets have different users. So from what I gather right now, we are still debating on leaded bullets in military. But can we all agree that we should (at the very least) restrict leaded bullets for recreational firing.

No, we cannot. The Separatist ambassador has, in my estimation, adequately expressed why this is not a recreational concern.
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Postby Freedomist fighters » Mon May 31, 2021 10:10 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Why does a bullet need to be made from lead though? French Balle D ammunition, if I recall correctly, fired a brass bullet just fine. If lead fragments went all over an animal I also would expect them to have similar effects in human targets as well, causing collateral poisoning.

Madam Ambassador, I don't know about any "French" ammunition, but anomalous examples aren't of much use in the face of the reality that lead is, generally, a more economically viable and militarily optimal option. Perhaps these French bullets were made for a small, professional army, or perhaps lead was considered better used in other applications. You would know better than I, presumably, since you at least know to which nation these bullets belong.
Freedomist fighters wrote:I think for all of us to have a meaningful debate. We need to set aside that we have 2 topics regarding this lead ammunition debate, which is military and recreational. I agree with you on the fact that different types of bullets have different users. So from what I gather right now, we are still debating on leaded bullets in military. But can we all agree that we should (at the very least) restrict leaded bullets for recreational firing.

No, we cannot. The Separatist ambassador has, in my estimation, adequately expressed why this is not a recreational concern.


Can the right honourable member provide a link from which he got the quote?

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Freedomist fighters wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Madam Ambassador, I don't know about any "French" ammunition, but anomalous examples aren't of much use in the face of the reality that lead is, generally, a more economically viable and militarily optimal option. Perhaps these French bullets were made for a small, professional army, or perhaps lead was considered better used in other applications. You would know better than I, presumably, since you at least know to which nation these bullets belong.

No, we cannot. The Separatist ambassador has, in my estimation, adequately expressed why this is not a recreational concern.

Can the right honourable member provide a link from which he got the quote?

I do not understand the question. What do you mean by a link?

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:Okay I'll bite. Why do you need leaded ammunition, Sep?

"Lead ammunition deforms, lending it stopping power, remains stable in flight, lending it consistency, has an extremely efficient mass for energy transference, and is inexpensive compared to copper for the mass of the round. This requirement would make it extremely expensive for civilians, police, and the military to effectively train between conflicts due to significant budget concerns. Moreover, atmospheric lead concerns from shooting ranges are, environmentally, de minimis. Health-wise, one must shoot inside for hours per day for months or years for vaporized lead to be a notable concern. As a function of soil contamination, backstops at ranges can be sifted for solid lead without undue soil loss or remnant contamination once every few years. Soil with high lead content can be contained and decontaminated at an appropriate decontamination facility. The health and environmental concerns for lead are overblown. Were this trying to address radiological concerns relative to depleted uranium rounds, I may be convinced."
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Postby Freedomist fighters » Mon May 31, 2021 11:06 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Freedomist fighters wrote:Can the right honourable member provide a link from which he got the quote?

I do not understand the question. What do you mean by a link?

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Separatist Peoples wrote:"Lead ammunition deforms, lending it stopping power, remains stable in flight, lending it consistency, has an extremely efficient mass for energy transference, and is inexpensive compared to copper for the mass of the round. This requirement would make it extremely expensive for civilians, police, and the military to effectively train between conflicts due to significant budget concerns. Moreover, atmospheric lead concerns from shooting ranges are, environmentally, de minimis. Health-wise, one must shoot inside for hours per day for months or years for vaporized lead to be a notable concern. As a function of soil contamination, backstops at ranges can be sifted for solid lead without undue soil loss or remnant contamination once every few years. Soil with high lead content can be contained and decontaminated at an appropriate decontamination facility. The health and environmental concerns for lead are overblown. Were this trying to address radiological concerns relative to depleted uranium rounds, I may be convinced."



I know, the sep ambassador did quote a portion of text, I would like to see the article. You don't have to worry about it.

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:Elsie Mortimer Wellesley. If you're hunting, would not lead bullet fragmentation pollute the resulting carcass?

"Lead fragmentation does not pollute a carcass so much as to render it dangerous, even over time. Further, lead is inexpensive and easy to manufacture, especially in mass. Steel cartridges would be expensive and difficult to produce and would likely over-penetrate. Further, their range would be inadequate because you get a middling density from steel compared to lead, aiding in transfer of energy. Steel, copper, tungsten, and depleted uranium all have reasonable roles in ammunition, but not as a substitute."

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Freedomist fighters wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Lead ammunition deforms, lending it stopping power, remains stable in flight, lending it consistency, has an extremely efficient mass for energy transference, and is inexpensive compared to copper for the mass of the round. This requirement would make it extremely expensive for civilians, police, and the military to effectively train between conflicts due to significant budget concerns. Moreover, atmospheric lead concerns from shooting ranges are, environmentally, de minimis. Health-wise, one must shoot inside for hours per day for months or years for vaporized lead to be a notable concern. As a function of soil contamination, backstops at ranges can be sifted for solid lead without undue soil loss or remnant contamination once every few years. Soil with high lead content can be contained and decontaminated at an appropriate decontamination facility. The health and environmental concerns for lead are overblown. Were this trying to address radiological concerns relative to depleted uranium rounds, I may be convinced."


I think it proved my point for upholding clause 3c., soldiers do spend a long time on battlefields.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19116438
Please also do note that clause 3c it's specifically for the military. Lead bullets would lead to a huge ecological problem with a vast sum of lead dust introduced into the air during war. I do believe it is a necessary trade-off for the future.
I would amend the language for 1a.

OOC: Your own article suggests that the replacement was more problematic than lead. Lead dust is de minimis on a battlefield, especially a modern battlefield.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:14 am

Freedomist fighters wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:I do not understand the question. What do you mean by a link?

OOC:



I know, the sep ambassador did quote a portion of text, I would like to see the article. You don't have to worry about it.

OOC: That isn't a quote from an article. That is my writing based on my environmental science and hazardous materials emergency response background coupled with my experience with firearms.

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