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Postby Scalizagasti » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:05 pm

Wallenburg wrote:You misunderstand how density works. Aluminum foil is not light because it is not dense, but because it has very little volume. You will observe the same properties with gold foil, which you agree classifies as a toxic heavy metal under the target.

I know the difference between density and mass. The density of aluminum foil is around 2.7 g/cm3, while the density of gold foil is 19.3 g/cm3. I never mentioned mass or volume.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:23 pm

Scalizagasti wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:You misunderstand how density works. Aluminum foil is not light because it is not dense, but because it has very little volume. You will observe the same properties with gold foil, which you agree classifies as a toxic heavy metal under the target.

I know the difference between density and mass. The density of aluminum foil is around 2.7 g/cm3, while the density of gold foil is 19.3 g/cm3. I never mentioned mass or volume.

Which makes aluminum about as dense as solid rock. In most circles, rock is considered a relatively dense material.
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Postby Scalizagasti » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:41 pm

Wallenburg wrote:Which makes aluminum about as dense as solid rock. In most circles, rock is considered a relatively dense material.

I've not heard regular rock considered dense. And personally, when I think of a dense material I go to gold, uranium, tungsten etc. before I go to aluminum or generic rocks.

Regardless, this is going off-topic, and the fact that we can have this discussion supports the need for this repeal.
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Postby Jedinsto » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:05 pm

Regardless, this is going off-topic, and the fact that we can have this discussion supports the need for this repeal.

Based. If you have any specific suggestions though, I'm all ears!
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Postby Waldenes » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:08 pm

Jedinsto wrote:I guess you didn't see because I edited it into a post instead of making a new one; I'm not writing a replacement. After screwing around with it for a bit I figured the definitions would get too weird. We'd be much better off with a general waste disposal resolution, and obviously we are better off without this resolution in general.


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Postby Jedinsto » Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:36 am

Bump.
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:21 am

Jedinsto wrote:Bump.

OOC: Why do you keep bumping without any new content added?

And on this topic, have you read the target resolution's drafting thread? Worth having a look at.
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Postby Jedinsto » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:22 am

Araraukar wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:Bump.

OOC: Why do you keep bumping without any new content added?

Quite honestly, because that's just kinda what people do.
And on this topic, have you read the target resolution's drafting thread? Worth having a look at.

I have not yet. I will take a look, thanks for the suggestion.
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Postby Jedinsto » Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:17 am

Since there do not seem to be too many comments, this has been moved to [NON-DESCRIPT DRAFTING STAGE]
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:53 am

Jedinsto wrote:Since there do not seem to be too many comments, this has been moved to [NON-DESCRIPT DRAFTING STAGE]

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Postby Daarwyrth » Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:53 am

Vyn Nysen: "Ambassador, I have re-read the repeal proposal, and I wanted to draw your attention to the following part of the text:
Realizing that such an incredibly broad definition bans member states from placing any metal in the "natural environment," forces member states to research alternatives to the use of all metals, and generally regulates the use of harmless metals,

I believe this is a good basis for an argument, but it feels somewhat bare at the moment. In its current form, it sounds as three separate statements. My recommendation would be to try to add into this line of argumentation why this is bad. For example, what implications does the part "bans member states from placing any metal in the natural environment" have that is detrimental to member nations? The same goes for "forces member states to research alternatives to the use of all metals", which might have as a consequence that more vital research gets delayed. Laying out the implications of these things you mentioned, would help strengthen the argument in this part, I believe."
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Postby Jedinsto » Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:10 am

"Thank you ambassador, more elaborations have been made."
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Postby Daarwyrth » Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:13 am

Jedinsto wrote:"Thank you ambassador, more elaborations have been made."

Vyn Nysen: "These changes were exactly what I meant. Good work, Ambassador."
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Postby Jedinsto » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:09 am

Made changes to the part about halting development due to a potential illegality.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:24 am

Jedinsto wrote:Made changes to the part about halting development due to a potential illegality.

OOC: The changed language is better, yes. You could technically also rephrase it as " halting development using such metals in the "natural environment" to varying degrees", but I'll leave that to you!
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Postby Wayneactia » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:01 pm

I see very little reason to repeal the THMA, other than someone is looking for something to repeal. Show us a half way decent replacement and maybe this could be considered.

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Postby Herby » Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:49 am

Wayneactia wrote:I see very little reason to repeal the THMA, other than someone is looking for something to repeal. Show us a half way decent replacement and maybe this could be considered.

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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:06 am

Really? Thanks Herby, I wasn't planning on doing so myself.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:53 am

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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:51 am

I am going to keep the current status in the thread title, but this is last call. I've plead with all my regions for feedback, nobody has much left to offer. I'll make some final revisions and submit within a few days, unless I've got some major changes to make. IA will be submitting a legality challenge at some point afterwards to settle a precedential issue.
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Postby Jedinsto » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:16 am

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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:23 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:"Full support, Ambassador."

"I greatly appreciate the support, ambassador."

OOC: One more approval needed to reach quorum, come on delegates!

Edit: Quorum reached.
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Postby Trellania » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:54 am

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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:57 am

OOC: Yeah this goes to vote next, unless the Old Hope crap reaches quorum. Promotion to the floor is determined by submission order, not quorum order, unless one proposal is at quorum and the other isn't when the voting on the at-vote ends. Hopefully that didn't cause any confusion lol.
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