[PASSED] Epidemic Investigation Act

[Bananaistan]

Why Healthcare?

After this many weeks, you have to ask?
*<sighs>*
I don't now remember why I said that back then, maybe because the proposal seemed to be more about field inspections & questioning medical local personnel than about the more "academically"-based types of studies with which I subconsciously was associating the term 'research'... Looking at the matter again now, bearing in mind both the fact that epidemiology is a branch of medical research and the fact that that this proposal probably would place little direct burden on the members' healthcare systems, I concede that 'Research' might be the better of those two possible choices after all.
Actually, though, bearing in mind that the financial burden of these measures arguably would fall more on the WHA than on any particular member nation's medical services and that the WA is funded disproportionately by its wealthier members, you could even make a case for 'Health: International Aid'. That would be precedent-setting, rather than based on already-established precedent, but its underlying logic does seem sound enough to me...
We really need more of GenSec's members to discuss this question.

OOC: I'd lean towards research based on this but I wouldn't object to healthcare either. International aid, less so. The requirements seem to be universal rather than "wealthier member governments ... [spending] their money on poor sick foreigners"

[The Hazar Amisnery]

What happens if the inspector catches the disease/virus in the country they are inspecting. Are we responsible for their health and safety? If they are allowed to just waltz into hospitals and medical facilities without anyone's permission, its their problem if they catch anything.

I would imagine not, given that WA bureaucrats would almost certainly have their own health plans and have health and safety guidelines that they would follow. Would you like an explicit allocation of inspector costs to the General Fund?

I just don't want to have to pay for something caused by the WA's own stupidity.

[Texkentuck]

I want to make this short and easy- The goal is to prevent a nation from causing a world wide pandemic that does disease research. May be a good idea to add in how the inspectors should be paid. Nations who want to send inspectors should be able to do so but,all inspectors regardless sent to a nation should be funded by the nations who send them and must quarantine in those nations on a decided time-line set by the WHA.
Also is it necessary for inspectors to look at sensitive information down to the detail or would it be better for them to do a general inspection of sensitive material to only see that the research isn't a disease warfare facility and that a virus isn't able to leave the facility. Also add in how a nation should report to the WHA the release of a virus that is considered on time from the outbreak. Also should add in for airports and ways of travel to shut down from infected areas.... This doesn't mention anything of reperations of a nation that fails to report the virus but should that be it's own proposal?.


Pres. Bram W. Schirkophf
Texkentuck Monarchy Republic Federation
U.C.C.R

[Imperium Anglorum]

all inspectors regardless sent to a nation should be funded by the nations who send them and must quarantine in those nations on a decided time-line set by the WHA.

Inspectors are not sent by any nation, they are sent by the WHA.

[Great Algerstonia]

"No. We refuse to let health inspectors in Algerstonia, or any WA loony for that matter. They do not deserve access to state secrets."

~Admiral-Ambassador Alec Ainsworth.

[Texkentuck]

all inspectors regardless sent to a nation should be funded by the nations who send them and must quarantine in those nations on a decided time-line set by the WHA.

Inspectors are not sent by any nation, they are sent by the WHA.

The WHA is made up of who- A secret group of globalist?! Perfect reason why Texkentuck would vote against this proposal. Nations must know who is who and what is what?!

If we were in the WA we would vote against this proposal because of the lack of knowledge of who the inspectors are and who to hold responsible.... Their is clearly no compromise or edit of anything suggested to actually stop a disease.....Their must be a quarantine for inspectors before leaving the nation in which they inspect......Also when should inspectors investigate a nation?. Will it be when a nation fails to report a virus or is it any nation with a facility for the study of viruses must let inspectors in which may lead to the WHA having knowledge of scientific advancement and profit from the knowledge of the scientist who work in such labs.....Who is the WHA?! I was under the impression it will be a collective body of the brightest in epidemiology and experts in spotting if a facility is only researching for the purpose of disease warfare..... Also thought it would be more of a collaboration effort.....The only way this would work is if each nation is willing to share scientific advancement in the cure of a virus that is in the WA as the proposal states so that we can prevent a disease from breaking lose or a facility from releasing a virus.
Only vote for this proposal if
A: Your nation has no problem with a WHA of whomever having access to the scientific advancement in fighting a virus and taking credit from your scientist.
B: Your nation lets inspectors from wherever they are from to access your labs
C: Your nation lets inspectors from some nation that could be infected visit and infect your population because they haven't quarantined before visit.
D: Your nation is infected and you let inspectors in and their is not any rule for them to quarantine so they could spread the disease elsewhere after discovery.
E: Their is nothing of the mention of any reparation of a discovered nation to be hiding a virus on the lose and by this point it probably spread world wide before inspection.
F: Any virus that is reported in a timely fashion by decree of the WHA world wide transportation wont be shut down from the point of infected.
G If a virus is lose all major cities in which the population is packed together their isn't a quarantine encouraged by nations to do what is right.

Most of all who would let an organization in that has no collaboration to there nation or any?!.......That's impossible because every person belongs to a nation so what is the WHA?!

What will make this proposal work and actually stop a virus?
A: Nations have representatives of the their brightest to join the WHA.
B: Nations agree that all scientific advancement is shared and any advancement is credited to the nations discovery because it is public knowledge amongst the brightest scientist of the WHA who represent the nations who are members.
C: If a nation is responsible for the release of a virus and doesn't report in a timely fashion. All advancement and knowledge to the WHA from scientist from the accused nation face international court and receive no credit, or benefit from the scientific knowledge.
D: If a virus is lose all major cities with airports are shut down in other nations and E followed.
E: Major transportation from that part of an effected nation must not be allowed to travel to other nations.
D: Virus or no virus all inspectors must quarantine in there nation. Also quarantine after the inspection in the nation they inspect. "Which means they must always prepare in quarantine and be ready for an inspection."
E: All nations of the WHA agree NOT to have disease warfare facilities. Only facilities in which it's open and is only for the purpose of stopping a virus and scientific advancement in medicine/vaccines.
F: Any facility that makes a virus must report the findings to the WHA immediately to make sure it can not become a disease warfare facility and definitely won't get lose amongst populations. Also as stated again "NO NATION RECIEVES CREDIT OF THE SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES BUT THE NATION THAT FINDS THE DISCOVERY....The downside is because nations are sharing their discoveries it may lead to nations finding discoveries from a discovery. But that is what happens when your sharing information. It's a collaboration of nations to find a cure and stop future viruses.


This needs to be added.
If this was added my nation would vote yes to this proposal. But the way the current proposal looks. It's too lucrative because no one knows who the inspectors are and hardly has a way to stop and fight against a virus spreading.... Only line some pockets and the WA nations of the WHA would be asking questions like now as the virus eats away at the world..... This proposal is a great proposal but needs to add substance and it will be a great proposal. Much of it I agree with but their must be what I proposed added.

No matter what you do to the proposal please realize some nations may just vote against it because they don't want any calibration. My nation if in the WA would be working to lead in this proposal. Vote for all nations to be in collaboration. If my proposals are added no nation would have to worry about hiding scientific advancement. Every nation would represent the WHA and lead. Nations would work together in finding the solutions while all receive credit where it is due. Many people will be saved.....


President Bram W. Schirkophf
Texkentuck Federation Republic
U.C.C.R

[Texkentuck]

"No. We refuse to let health inspectors in Algerstonia, or any WA loony for that matter. They do not deserve access to state secrets."

~Admiral-Ambassador Alec Ainsworth.

The WHA must make sure your nation gets credit for it's advancement. If it looks like this proposal will pass for the sake of your nation don't remain silent. Make demands for your nation to be recognized in the proposal or why the WHA is more beuacracy. Your nation has enough beuacracy. Your nation in the WA and how much more....That would be your best defense.

If I was in the WA I would vote against this proposal because they are not making the changes needed and it looks to be more WA beuacracy........

I would vote for this proposal if they add in what I asked.....

Not a current member because too many proposals that take away my national sovereignty. Will join when their is an even balance and sound proposals. This proposal needs to have changes in which we know who the inspectors are and the inspectors are from your nation as well if it passes.... Also I've been told the WHA is made up by an association of no national origin which means it could be anyone...Is it cooperate thugs?! Is it lunatic scientist organization only made up of scientist from "some" Nations and not all of our nations.....We don't know. Or is a single family out to rule the world?! We don't know who the WHA is unless they say "Nations have representatives of the their brightest to join the WHA". But this proposal says not such!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as Schirkophf strongly and loudly states.........................

Currently my nation stands with Admiral-Ambassador Alec Ainsworth!! Because the concerns of this nation are at stake.......This nation doesn't want for a non-scientist of the WHA or someone of no collaborative status to see his information in scientific advancement....For all the good Admiral knows is that the current WHA as proposed of know collaboration with nations will sell his scientific advancement to my nation......My nation stands with this nation because my nation could very well be on this WA boat......

President Bram W. Schirkophf
Texkentuck Republic Federation
U.C.C.R

[Texkentuck]

all inspectors regardless sent to a nation should be funded by the nations who send them and must quarantine in those nations on a decided time-line set by the WHA.

Inspectors are not sent by any nation, they are sent by the WHA.

One more statement-

This needs to be added. No nation should let just anyone in there nation.....

Must be added...

A:Inspectors are sent by individual nations who care to do an inspection in the WHA and must quarantine before and after inspection in the nation inspected.

B:All that is discovered must be credited to the nation of discovery......

C:All inspectors regardless sent to a nation should be funded by the nations who send them and must quarantine in those nations on a decided time-line set by the WHA!!

"A nation who doesn't want to collaborate strongly just doesn't want more collaboration than already exist being in the WA".

One reason my nation is not in this WA is because anything suggested is never added.

Nations must know who the inspectors are and all nations in the WHA should be allowed to send their own inspectors

after the inspectors have quarantined.

Also each nation after inspection must have for inspectors to spend time in quarantine to make sure a virus hasn't left the nation.......It's a security and safety protocol and with out this is putting many in jeopardy of a virus or disease...

Pres. Bram W. Schirkophf
Texkentuck Republic Federation
U.C.C.R

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: I'd lean towards research based on this but I wouldn't object to healthcare either. International aid, less so. The requirements seem to be universal rather than "wealthier member governments ... [spending] their money on poor sick foreigners"

OOC: Agreed in all respects.

[Greater Cesnica]

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote For the General Assembly resolution, "Epidemic Investigation Act".
Its reasoning may be found here.

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[Junitaki-cho]

I'm not convinced clause 3 is legal under the metagaming rule. This doesn't directly set mandates for non-member states, but it does create situations which would require their compliance, and it responds to those situations by imposing sanctions on those non-members. The sanctions are "to be enforced by member nations against the nation or those persons responsible in that nation for such non-compliance," which I suppose is meant to make them sound non-binding, but at the end of the day they're still retaliatory sanctions being passed down from a World Assembly committee to a specific non-member state.

[Tinhampton]

I'm not convinced clause 3 is legal under the metagaming rule.

Consider bringing a legality challenge.

The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote For the General Assembly resolution, "Epidemic Investigation Act".
Its reasoning may be found here.

So can mine

[Bears Armed]

I'm not convinced clause 3 is legal under the metagaming rule. This doesn't directly set mandates for non-member states, but it does create situations which would require their compliance, and it responds to those situations by imposing sanctions on those non-members. The sanctions are "to be enforced by member nations against the nation or those persons responsible in that nation for such non-compliance," which I suppose is meant to make them sound non-binding, but at the end of the day they're still retaliatory sanctions being passed down from a World Assembly committee to a specific non-member state.

OOC: Precedent says that telling the member nations how to react to non-members in certain cases is legal, for example by forbidding members from importing goods whose production methods were not in accordance with WA law.

[Marxist Germany]

I also highly recommend omitting bolding from your operative verbs.

OOC: As for the content, I see no reason not to support it.

[URA World Assembly Affairs]

The United Regions Alliance recommends that nations vote against this resolution. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1573640

[Kurogasa]

Interesting how pretty much everything in this proposal is optional except for this

"Inspectors’ request for access to sensitive areas or sensitive information may be rejected by the local jurisdiction. Such rejections shall be reviewed by the Independent Adjudicative Office, which may overrule such rejections if the likely harm of release is less than the likely harm to international public health interests."

So basically the WA's spy branch huh?.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I also highly recommend omitting bolding from your operative verbs.

OOC: As for the content, I see no reason not to support it.

I never knew MG thought headings were operative verbs.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

We oppose as the bill is tyrannical and interferes in the affairs of a sovereign nation by a monstrous majority, leading to further persecution.

[Sincluda]

We oppose as the bill is tyrannical and interferes in the affairs of a sovereign nation by a monstrous majority, leading to further persecution.

Raiken sighs. "Then just leave the Assembly if sovereignty is your concern."

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

We oppose as the bill is tyrannical and interferes in the affairs of a sovereign nation by a monstrous majority, leading to further persecution.

Raiken sighs. "Then just leave the Assembly if sovereignty is your concern."

We are the voice of persecuted innocents who are bullied, slaughtered, persecuted by tyrants who create invasive bills and their extremely monstrous supporters. We are the voice of the persecuted minorities who are butchered by monstrous majority and as such, we will fight tooth and nail against monsters their little monsters (supporters of such bills) and horrible invasive bills designed to further persecute those not following the official line.

[Jedinsto]

Raiken sighs. "Then just leave the Assembly if sovereignty is your concern."

We are the voice of persecuted innocents who are bullied, slaughtered, persecuted by tyrants who create invasive bills and their extremely monstrous supporters. We are the voice of the persecuted minorities who are butchered by monstrous majority and as such, we will fight tooth and nail against monsters their little monsters (supporters of such bills) and horrible invasive bills designed to further persecute those not following the official line.

“Bullied, slaughter, and persecuted.” Lol

[Sylh Alanor]

We oppose as the bill is tyrannical and interferes in the affairs of a sovereign nation by a monstrous majority, leading to further persecution.

Would you mind explaining how this bill is tyrannical? So far this seems like the same thing you post in every GA thread, so to keep everyone here from assuming that it's a copy/paste response, I'd like to know more about why you think this about a bill that has the World Assembly investigate epidemics is tyrannical.

[Hulldom]

Raiken sighs. "Then just leave the Assembly if sovereignty is your concern."

We are the voice of persecuted innocents who are bullied, slaughtered, persecuted by tyrants who create invasive bills and their extremely monstrous supporters.

[The Coventry Carol plays in the background]

“Elsie Mortimer Wellesley is not Herod the Great or anything similar, sir. And I think the Roman Government of 1 AD would very much regret the comparison to the modern World Assembly.”

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

We oppose as the bill is tyrannical and interferes in the affairs of a sovereign nation by a monstrous majority, leading to further persecution.

Would you mind explaining how this bill is tyrannical? So far this seems like the same thing you post in every GA thread, so to keep everyone here from assuming that it's a copy/paste response, I'd like to know more about why you think this about a bill that has the World Assembly investigate epidemics is tyrannical.

Certainly sir! I point out the bills as tyrannical because they are. As a majority, you will not understand the persecution at all, but as persecuted minority following old religion, we certainly understand persecution

Every country has a right to accept or deny any foreigner / foreign authority etc to be present whatever their business be, however, this bill tears through that when it says:

All member nations must permit the entrance and exit of WHA inspectors (hereinafter Inspectors) and fully cooperate with such requests for access or information which Inspectors may deliver to member nation authorities, subject to the following subsection.

A sovereign nation must have the right to either agree to let foreigners in or not, it does not matter whether it is pandemic, endemic or an apocalypse. The country must have the right to deal with it as it sees fit.

Second such dangerous point is this:

Inspectors’ request for access to sensitive areas or sensitive information may be rejected by the local jurisdiction. Such rejections shall be reviewed by the Independent Adjudicative Office, which may overrule such rejections if the likely harm of release is less than the likely harm to international public health interests.

No international body should have a right to permit or overrule anything, it is upto the state which must see as they deem fit as most of such areas are of high importance and this will definitely be used as espionage. Besides, it is against our ideology to create some Majestic 12 type of Supra-Globalist organization planning to rule over all the innocent minority.

And then, this one is very concerning:

No member nation may otherwise bar the access of Inspectors to medical personnel. Nor may any member nation retaliate against the provision of information by medical personnel to Inspectors.

This directly attacks the sovereignty of the nations. Every country should have the right to accept or deny any person entering the country no matter what especially when that person might be a type of spy or harbor ill feelings against the country. Special treatment given to these guys would be preposterous.

There are many such things in the bill that can be countered, so as an alternative we propose:

1. The inspectors whichever nation they go to, shall also be bound to the respective countries laws and in the case of them breaking the law, that country will have the full right to prosecute and punish them if convicted.

2. Individual country has a right to accept or deny any inspectors based on their own volition.

3. Individual countries would not require to provide the inspector any information about the installations which affect national security and would have the full right to prosecute the inspectors if they try to obtain unauthorized information.

These 3 points would ensure the sovereignty of the innocent nations and will protect minority nations against monstrous majority.

[Sincluda]

Would you mind explaining how this bill is tyrannical? So far this seems like the same thing you post in every GA thread, so to keep everyone here from assuming that it's a copy/paste response, I'd like to know more about why you think this about a bill that has the World Assembly investigate epidemics is tyrannical.

Certainly sir! I point out the bills as tyrannical because they are. As a majority, you will not understand the persecution at all, but as persecuted minority following old religion, we certainly understand persecution

Every country has a right to accept or deny any foreigner / foreign authority etc to be present whatever their business be, however, this bill tears through that when it says:

All member nations must permit the entrance and exit of WHA inspectors (hereinafter Inspectors) and fully cooperate with such requests for access or information which Inspectors may deliver to member nation authorities, subject to the following subsection.

A sovereign nation must have the right to either agree to let foreigners in or not, it does not matter whether it is pandemic, endemic or an apocalypse. The country must have the right to deal with it as it sees fit.

Second such dangerous point is this:

Inspectors’ request for access to sensitive areas or sensitive information may be rejected by the local jurisdiction. Such rejections shall be reviewed by the Independent Adjudicative Office, which may overrule such rejections if the likely harm of release is less than the likely harm to international public health interests.

No international body should have a right to permit or overrule anything, it is upto the state which must see as they deem fit as most of such areas are of high importance and this will definitely be used as espionage. Besides, it is against our ideology to create some Majestic 12 type of Supra-Globalist organization planning to rule over all the innocent minority.

And then, this one is very concerning:

No member nation may otherwise bar the access of Inspectors to medical personnel. Nor may any member nation retaliate against the provision of information by medical personnel to Inspectors.

This directly attacks the sovereignty of the nations. Every country should have the right to accept or deny any person entering the country no matter what especially when that person might be a type of spy or harbor ill feelings against the country. Special treatment given to these guys would be preposterous.

There are many such things in the bill that can be countered, so as an alternative we propose:

1. The inspectors whichever nation they go to, shall also be bound to the respective countries laws and in the case of them breaking the law, that country will have the full right to prosecute and punish them if convicted.

2. Individual country has a right to accept or deny any inspectors based on their own volition.

3. Individual countries would not require to provide the inspector any information about the installations which affect national security and would have the full right to prosecute the inspectors if they try to obtain unauthorized information.

These 3 points would ensure the sovereignty of the innocent nations and will protect minority nations against monstrous majority.

OOC: so just NatSov. Then every bill is tyrannical to you