NATION

PASSWORD

(SUBMITTED) Ban Animal Abandonment

Where WA members debate how to improve the world, one resolution at a time.

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Traden
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 392
Founded: Nov 18, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Traden » Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:55 am

Hiram Land wrote:
Traden wrote:
Yet it is still legal.

Legal in the sense that it isn't breaking WA rules or procedures, not in the sense that it's considered an international issue.


So it is still legal. It may not do much, but considers the animals that will be saved from this.
Current Member of SPSF (Tidal Force)

User avatar
Separatist Peoples
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 16906
Founded: Feb 17, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:25 am

Traden wrote:
Hiram Land wrote:Legal in the sense that it isn't breaking WA rules or procedures, not in the sense that it's considered an international issue.


So it is still legal. It may not do much, but considers the animals that will be saved from this.

"Why are the lives of animals worth making a barely local offense an international crime?"

His Worshipfulness Lord GA Secretariat, Authority on All Existence, Arbiter of Right, Toxic Globalist Dog, Dark Psychic Vampire, and Chief Populist Elitist!
Separatist Peoples should RESIGN!

User avatar
Outer Sparta
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14639
Founded: Dec 26, 2014
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:40 am

Traden wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Again, not an international issue.


Yet it is still legal.

Yet your proposal does jack squat. Animal abandonment is a local issue best suited for local authorities, not an organization like the WA to deal with.
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

User avatar
Tinhampton
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12303
Founded: Oct 05, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Tinhampton » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:56 am

Lydia Anderson, third-in-line to the post of Delegate-Ambassador: The requirement that those who do not dispose of animals in a prescribed manner be fined, or that animals be tested for diseases, should be clearly made the responsibility of member states in the proposal. I also note that the ambassador from Traden defines what an "abandoned animal" is without using that term anywhere else in their proposal - which, at this moment, appears to prohibit the transfer of animals between zoos as a result.
Everything below this line is OOC.

It is widely known that "a legal proposal is not necessarily a good proposal." Yet I do not think this a moral proposal either. This is "Animals street situation" (ASS) by Neurks Boodal:
1- Anyone who wants to abandon an animal for any reason would have two options:
A) Leave it with a family that is known to take care of them
B) Leave it in an animal adoption center
2-If for any reason neither A nor B of point 1 is met, leaving him in a street situation or animal abuse would imply a large fine...
3-The financial fine would vary depending on the seriousness of the matter.

This is "Ban Animal Abandonment" by Traden, which was published less than an hour after ASS and whose author has openly admitted that it is "a better version of" ASS:
Gives people who want to abandon animals the choice of either leaving it with a family or animal adoption center, while punishing people who fail to follow either choice with a fine depending on the severity of the issue.

I believe, and have suggested to Neurks Boodal, that he and Traden should co-operate on writing a resolution about animal abandonment. Unfortunately, the former has not only pillaged the latter's idea for their own benefit but openly appears to be willing to press ahead with this on the sole basis that - and I quote - "it is still legal."
The Self-Administrative City of TINHAMPTON (pop. 329,537): Saffron Howard, Mayor (UCP); Alexander Smith, WA Delegate-Ambassador

Authorships & co-authorships: SC#250, SC#251, Issue #1115, SC#267, GA#484, GA#491, GA#533, GA#540, GA#549, SC#356, GA#559, GA#562, GA#567, GA#578, SC#374, GA#582, SC#375, GA#589, GA#590, SC#382, SC#385*, GA#597, GA#607, SC#415, GA#647, GA#656, GA#664
The rest of my CV: Cup of Harmony 73 champions; Philosopher-Queen of Sophia; possibly very controversial; *author of the most popular SC resolution ever
Who am I, really? 47yo Tory woman w/Asperger's; Cambridge graduate; currently reading Divided by Tim Marshall

User avatar
Araraukar
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15869
Founded: May 14, 2007
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:02 am

OOC: Happily the definition is so weirdly worded that it won't apply to most pet abandonment.

Though OP should consider the very real situation where there's no humane option but to euthanize the animal. Either because the animal is too sick (chronic, infectious or even both) to be given forward or because making it live longer would be animal cruelty.

Also, people can have exotic pets that they are properly licensed and have appropriate containment for, but which cannot be randomly given to a family or are not accepted by animal shelters (think things like venomous snakes, or large carnivorous animals like tigers).
- ambassador miss Janis Leveret
Araraukar's RP reality is Modern Tech solarpunk. In IC in the WA.
Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.

User avatar
Outer Sparta
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14639
Founded: Dec 26, 2014
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Outer Sparta » Mon May 17, 2021 5:31 pm

I see you have submitted this even though you haven't worked at all on it. It's a terrible draft and isn't an international issue.
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

User avatar
Bears Armed
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21281
Founded: Jun 01, 2006
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Tue May 18, 2021 12:32 am

Believing that laws preventing animal abandonment will severely help animal welfare,

OOC: "significantly", rather than "seriously"?
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.

User avatar
Ardiveds
Diplomat
 
Posts: 663
Founded: Feb 28, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Ardiveds » Tue May 18, 2021 1:22 am

OOC: So regarding clause D, the WA is gonna check those animals? Not a committee of the WA or national governments specialising in such a task but the WA itself?
If the ambassador acts like an ambassador, it's probably Delegate Arthur.
If he acts like an edgy teen, it's probably definitely Delegate Jim.... it's always Jim

User avatar
Molopovia
Attaché
 
Posts: 96
Founded: Nov 23, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Molopovia » Tue May 18, 2021 1:27 am

Ambassador Tarlishak: This is a resolution that I would support. However, it could use a few improvements with wording and content, so that you can gain the support of more WA members, and that will help your resolution get passed.
Land Federation of Molopovia
World Assembly Delegate:
Broska Tarlishak, PhD

Check out the Ministry of ICT's newly created Official Information Compendium - Enormous collection of knowledge about Molopovia. Largely under construction.


Also, I do not use NSStats for: Taxes, Corruption

User avatar
Bears Armed
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21281
Founded: Jun 01, 2006
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Tue May 18, 2021 1:29 am

Ardiveds wrote:OOC: So regarding clause D, the WA is gonna check those animals? Not a committee of the WA or national governments specialising in such a task but the WA itself?

OOC: I've been in TG conversation with the author (conversation initiated by them), and told them to withdraw the submitted version so that both 'B' & 'D' can be made into required actions for the member nations. Unfortunately, until I catch up on the previous year's passed resolutions & GenSec rulings, I can not rule on its actual legality.
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.

User avatar
Bananaistan
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 3459
Founded: Apr 20, 2012
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bananaistan » Tue May 18, 2021 1:50 am

Ardiveds wrote:OOC: So regarding clause D, the WA is gonna check those animals? Not a committee of the WA or national governments specialising in such a task but the WA itself?


OOC: Sections C and D do nothing. Neither have a committee assigned to do the task nor are member states assigned the task.

B is a valid operative clause.

So it's legal IMO but as has been pointed out above, legal =/= good.
Delegation of the People's Republic of Bananaistan to the World Assembly
Head of delegation and the Permanent Representative: Comrade Ambassador Theodorus "Ted" Hornwood
General Assistant and Head of Security: Comrade Watchman Brian of Tarth
There was the Pope and John F. Kennedy and Jack Charlton and the three of them were staring me in the face.
Ideological Bulwark #281
THIS

User avatar
Traden
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 392
Founded: Nov 18, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Traden » Tue May 18, 2021 8:37 am

Cmon, support!
Current Member of SPSF (Tidal Force)

User avatar
Jedinsto
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1196
Founded: Nov 12, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Jedinsto » Tue May 18, 2021 8:55 am

Traden wrote:Cmon, support!

I only support good things, sorry.

User avatar
Outer Sparta
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14639
Founded: Dec 26, 2014
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Outer Sparta » Tue May 18, 2021 9:22 am

Traden wrote:Cmon, support!

Support a crappy resolution? Definitely not.
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

User avatar
Traden
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 392
Founded: Nov 18, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Traden » Tue May 18, 2021 10:53 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Traden wrote:Cmon, support!

Support a crappy resolution? Definitely not.


It's sad that I don't have telegram stamps in order to advertising a condemnation of you.
Last edited by Traden on Tue May 18, 2021 10:54 am, edited 2 times in total.
Current Member of SPSF (Tidal Force)

User avatar
Drew Durrnil
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1775
Founded: Apr 30, 2020
Anarchy

Postby Drew Durrnil » Tue May 18, 2021 10:54 am

this is not submittable
please withdraw
author of sc #434
professional slab worshipper
La Xinga wrote:I concur with Drew Durrnil, because he's Drew Durrnil.

User avatar
Traden
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 392
Founded: Nov 18, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Traden » Tue May 18, 2021 10:56 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:this is not submittable
please withdraw


Then how did I submit it? It definitely wasn't a Technical issue.
Current Member of SPSF (Tidal Force)

User avatar
Drew Durrnil
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1775
Founded: Apr 30, 2020
Anarchy

Postby Drew Durrnil » Tue May 18, 2021 11:01 am

Traden wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:this is not submittable
please withdraw


Then how did I submit it? It definitely wasn't a Technical issue.

I mean that this proposal is not well-written enough to get approvals in the approval phase (after submission).
Last edited by Drew Durrnil on Tue May 18, 2021 11:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
author of sc #434
professional slab worshipper
La Xinga wrote:I concur with Drew Durrnil, because he's Drew Durrnil.

User avatar
Traden
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 392
Founded: Nov 18, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Traden » Tue May 18, 2021 11:03 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Traden wrote:
Then how did I submit it? It definitely wasn't a Technical issue.

I mean that this proposal is not well-written enough to get approvals in the approval phase (after submission).


Okaiy, then could you please help me redraft it? You can be a co-author.
Current Member of SPSF (Tidal Force)

User avatar
Daarwyrth
Minister
 
Posts: 2417
Founded: Jul 05, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Daarwyrth » Tue May 18, 2021 11:05 am

Traden wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:this is not submittable
please withdraw


Then how did I submit it? It definitely wasn't a Technical issue.

Just because you can submit something and it won't be marked as illegal, doesn’t mean it was ready for submission. The proposal is far from ready and was submitted far too soon to be considered a good proposal.

That is why Drew called it "not submittable".
The Royal State of Daarwyrth
Forest's Minister of Foreign Affairs

Leader: Queen Demi Maria I | Capital: Daarsted | Current year: 2022 CE
  • Daarwyrth
  • Uylensted
  • Kentauria
  • 27 years old male
  • Dutch with Polish roots
  • English literature major
  • Ex-religious gay leftist

User avatar
Bananaistan
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 3459
Founded: Apr 20, 2012
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bananaistan » Tue May 18, 2021 11:07 am

Traden wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:I mean that this proposal is not well-written enough to get approvals in the approval phase (after submission).


Okaiy, then could you please help me redraft it? You can be a co-author.


OOC: It would probably be best to move onto a different project. Even the best proposal ever written on the topic wouldn't pass. This is not an international issue

We often advise new players to read and post in debate threads for a while to get a feel for the GA before they attempt to draft their own proposals.
Delegation of the People's Republic of Bananaistan to the World Assembly
Head of delegation and the Permanent Representative: Comrade Ambassador Theodorus "Ted" Hornwood
General Assistant and Head of Security: Comrade Watchman Brian of Tarth
There was the Pope and John F. Kennedy and Jack Charlton and the three of them were staring me in the face.
Ideological Bulwark #281
THIS

User avatar
Daarwyrth
Minister
 
Posts: 2417
Founded: Jul 05, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Daarwyrth » Tue May 18, 2021 11:09 am

Bananaistan wrote:
Traden wrote:
Okaiy, then could you please help me redraft it? You can be a co-author.


OOC: It would probably be best to move onto a different project. Even the best proposal ever written on the topic wouldn't pass. This is not an international issue

We often advise new players to read and post in debate threads for a while to get a feel for the GA before they attempt to draft their own proposals.

OOC: Agreed, this is a topic left best to local authorities, not be regulated from the WA. I tried a similar thing with a WA Pet Adoption plan not too long ago, yet as was pointed out, and rightfully so, it was not an issue for the WA. Neither is this one, I feel.
Last edited by Daarwyrth on Tue May 18, 2021 11:11 am, edited 2 times in total.
The Royal State of Daarwyrth
Forest's Minister of Foreign Affairs

Leader: Queen Demi Maria I | Capital: Daarsted | Current year: 2022 CE
  • Daarwyrth
  • Uylensted
  • Kentauria
  • 27 years old male
  • Dutch with Polish roots
  • English literature major
  • Ex-religious gay leftist

User avatar
Outer Sparta
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14639
Founded: Dec 26, 2014
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Outer Sparta » Tue May 18, 2021 12:08 pm

Traden wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Support a crappy resolution? Definitely not.


It's sad that I don't have telegram stamps in order to advertising a condemnation of you.

Don't know why you want to attempt to do that to others who criticize your proposal. You don't seem to grasp that this is not an international issue.
Last edited by Outer Sparta on Tue May 18, 2021 12:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

User avatar
Barfleur
Diplomat
 
Posts: 838
Founded: Mar 04, 2019
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Barfleur » Tue May 18, 2021 1:48 pm

"Aside from the fact that this issue does not approach international concern, the poor quality and vague definitions and operative clauses warrant a hard no. To show just one example, if I wish to abandon a domesticated animal, why should I be allowed to leave it to a family member, but not a friend or neighbor? What difference does that make for the welfare of the animal? And second, how does the proposal go about 'punishing' people who improperly abandon an animal? Would they be dragged through the courts of member nations, or punished on an international level? And finally--I know I promised to keep this brief, but this proposal is seriously making me worked up--the title is 'Ban Animal Abandonment' and yet the proposal explicitly allows the abandonment of animals if such animals are given to a family member or to a designated center. We oppose."

OOC: Traden, none of this is personal, but this proposal is just not the right quality. I would recommend reading passed resolutions, as well as being slightly more receptive to constructive criticism.
Ambassador to the World Assembly: Edmure Norfield
Military Attaché: Colonel Lyndon Q. Ralston
Author, GA#597, GA#605, and GA#609.
Co-author, GA#534.
The Barfleurian World Assembly Mission may be found at Suite 59, South-West Building, WAHQ.

User avatar
Astrobolt
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 363
Founded: Jul 30, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Astrobolt » Tue May 18, 2021 2:38 pm

"3 hours ago: Traden withdrew a proposal from the WA General Assembly titled "Banning Animal Abandonment"."

OOC: Glad to see the proposal was withdrawn. I would agree with others here that you should probably abandon this draft.
TITO Tactical Officer
Ambassador to the WA: Mr. Reede Tappe
In the WA IC, despite not being in it OOC.



Note: All views expressed are solely my own, and don't represent any region, organization or group unless stated otherwise.

For a detailed list of positions, and other things of note, click here.

Previous

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General Assembly

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Tinhampton

Advertisement

Remove ads