[DRAFT] Repeal "Military Death Penalty Ban"

[Deblar]

The General Assembly :

- Applauding previous efforts to reduce the use of the death penalty,

- Acknowledging that the member(s) of this Assembly who wrote and proposed the resolution GA#545 mean well,

- Recognizing the utility of GA#535 to eliminate the use of the death penalty under most circumstances,

- Concerned that GA#545 will allow war criminals who have committed unspeakable and heinous crimes to escape justice,

- Believing that the restriction of the death penalty would be more appropriate under the purview of military law rather than complete abolishment,

- Concerned that GA#545 may also impede on international sovereignty,

Hereby renders GA#545 null and void

This is my first time actually doing one of these proposals, so it's still a WIP. Feel free to suggest any additions to the proposal.

[North Supreria]

- Concerned that GA#545 will allow war criminals who have committed unspeakable and heinous crimes to escape justice,

North Supreria does not support this request to repeal GA#545. Capital punishment is an extremely barbaric punishment and in the eyes of North Supreria just as bad as unspeakable and heinous crimes. Justice can be achieved by imposing other punishments.

[Separatist Peoples]

"History has proven that no amount of discretion can be given to member states on this subject without unscrupulous powers using that discretion in poor faith to weild execution as a tool of oppression against their population. No appeal to the crimes of the evil or cries of injustice should criminals survive will convince this delegation to expose innocents such abuse. Opposed."

[Daarwyrth]

Vyn Nysen: "Our delegation is opposed to this proposal. These specific arguments have been repeated dozens of times during previous discussions on the topic and failed to convince a majority of the WA and stop the passing of this repeal's target resolution. Since this proposal uses the same arguments that have been repeated then without any significant effect, they are weak and remain just as unconvincing as they were before."

[Imperium Anglorum]

Elsie Mortimer Wellesley: My delegation concurs in substance with the remarks given by Ambassador Bell.

[Straona]

Whether this reaches quorum or not death penalty for WAR Criminals still happens in nations whether those who made the ban like it or not.

[Separatist Peoples]

Whether this reaches quorum or not death penalty for WAR Criminals still happens in nations whether those who made the ban like it or not.

"Such nations are subject to enforcement action through the Compliance Commission, including extremely stiff sanctions. Noncompliance is, by design, more damaging than compliance ever will be."

[Straona]

Whether this reaches quorum or not death penalty for WAR Criminals still happens in nations whether those who made the ban like it or not.

"Such nations are subject to enforcement action through the Compliance Commission, including extremely stiff sanctions. Noncompliance is, by design, more damaging than compliance ever will be."

“Again, most nations just don’t care. Besides if your proposal truly was to affect anyone it would have to forcibly remove the “capital punishment” policy. (That would require someone to change the code of NS which will never happens unless Barry did it himself.) Which it doesn’t so people aren’t gonna change their rp to bend to the whims of the GA let alone the WA as a whole. Most just don’t incorporate WA policies into their region rp. The only reason they need to be a part of the WA is to stop regions like TBH’s from swooping in and raiding the regions.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I don't know why you're putting your remarks in quotes when it obviously isn't in-character. Max Barry doesn't exist, NS doesn't exist, etc. If you want to talk about the General Assembly, which implicitly is part-roleplay, then you'll have to accept that the GA works the way people say it does. In the same way my walking into some RP with my mega-space-empire that freezes whole planets by parking my fleets in front of stars is god-modding, so too are assertions of consequence-less non-compliance.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Such nations are subject to enforcement action through the Compliance Commission, including extremely stiff sanctions. Noncompliance is, by design, more damaging than compliance ever will be."

“Again, most nations just don’t care. Besides if your proposal truly was to affect anyone it would have to forcibly remove the “capital punishment” policy. (That would require someone to change the code of NS which will never happens unless Barry did it himself.) Which it doesn’t so people aren’t gonna change their rp to bend to the whims of the GA let alone the WA as a whole. Most just don’t incorporate WA policies into their region rp. The only reason they need to be a part of the WA is to stop regions like TBH’s from swooping in and raiding the regions.

OOC: Apparently we aren't In Character anymore. OOCly, this kind of roleplay is considered godmodding. Excessive godmodding is generally a form of trolling, but will more likely just get your input ignored. Which rather makes your time in the GA somewhat masturbatory, since the only person playing with you is you.

In character nations would absolutely fold to the pressures of the Compliance Commission. The sanctions imposed threaten the existence of the state. They make the sanctions on Iran look tame.

If you insist on ignoring GA roleplay, kindly find somewhere else to post. This is functionally similar to posting in NS Sports without obeying the specific sporting rules, and the community doesn't appreciate the whining.

[Outer Sparta]

Opposed. Doesn't make good enough arguments to justify repeal.

[Straona]

“Again, most nations just don’t care. Besides if your proposal truly was to affect anyone it would have to forcibly remove the “capital punishment” policy. (That would require someone to change the code of NS which will never happens unless Barry did it himself.) Which it doesn’t so people aren’t gonna change their rp to bend to the whims of the GA let alone the WA as a whole. Most just don’t incorporate WA policies into their region rp. The only reason they need to be a part of the WA is to stop regions like TBH’s from swooping in and raiding the regions.

OOC: Apparently we aren't In Character anymore. OOCly, this kind of roleplay is considered godmodding. Excessive godmodding is generally a form of trolling, but will more likely just get your input ignored. Which rather makes your time in the GA somewhat masturbatory, since the only person playing with you is you.

In character nations would absolutely fold to the pressures of the Compliance Commission. The sanctions imposed threaten the existence of the state. They make the sanctions on Iran look tame.

If you insist on ignoring GA roleplay, kindly find somewhere else to post. This is functionally similar to posting in NS Sports without obeying the specific sporting rules, and the community doesn't appreciate the whining.

Okay that was my bad for not saying “IC” (I’m taking finals so I was in a rush my bad)
Also, you mean you and those who agree with you. Don’t act like you represent the entire community of NS. Some of them agree with you, others with me, hell there’s some who don’t give a (insert explicative) about any of this and rp regardless of what happens in the WA.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Apparently we aren't In Character anymore. OOCly, this kind of roleplay is considered godmodding. Excessive godmodding is generally a form of trolling, but will more likely just get your input ignored. Which rather makes your time in the GA somewhat masturbatory, since the only person playing with you is you.

In character nations would absolutely fold to the pressures of the Compliance Commission. The sanctions imposed threaten the existence of the state. They make the sanctions on Iran look tame.

If you insist on ignoring GA roleplay, kindly find somewhere else to post. This is functionally similar to posting in NS Sports without obeying the specific sporting rules, and the community doesn't appreciate the whining.

Okay that was my bad for not saying “IC” (I’m taking finals so I was in a rush my bad)
Also, you mean you and those who agree with you. Don’t act like you represent the entire community of NS. Some of them agree with you, others with me, hell there’s some who don’t give a (insert explicative) about any of this and rp regardless of what happens in the WA.

Ooc: I do speak for the community on this because I'm repeating what the community has expressed. There was, several years ago, an extremely detailed and intense discussion about this. This position is the culmination of years and years of cooperative GA roleplay. There are moderation records of such egregious noncompliance rising to the level of trolling. This is foundational in the premise of the WA both gameside and forumside, with over a decade of evidence to that effect.

Sure. You can post here, within the context of the rules, and pretend you are ignoring everything. That's rather like substituting the rules of Risk while playing Monopoly, and will not only piss off the Monopoly players, but will ruin their game and ensure you aren't welcome to play any game with them in the future. Maybe you don't care. If so, I question why you'dd rather be the fellow shouting to himself in the corner while the rest of us play in good faith.

Realistically, you're wrong. At worst, you're being disruptive for the sake of disrupting others. Neither is something to which you should aspire. I invite you to either reconsider your roleplay or your participation.

[Lumermeyr]

"The Crown of Lumermeyr does not recognise the so-called capital punishment as any punishment at all", states gloomily one of the Lumer WA delegates. "We believe in actual punishment, say, quarry work for life; simply forcing such criminals to live with the consciousness of their crimes and the contempt that is held towards them by the general public is much more of a punishment than not, along with making their lives as miserable as reasonably possible (we're not barbarians afterall, are we!). Additionally, the state can utilise their work for prof- I mean, for due compensations. To kill them is not only murder, but also a waste of a potentially very good and punitive punishment. And money, too."

[Greater Cesnica]

McCooley glances at the draft. "Nope. Next idea, please."

[Liberatarian States]

The General Assembly :

- Applauding previous efforts to reduce the use of the death penalty,

- Acknowledging that the member(s) of this Assembly who wrote and proposed the resolution GA#545 mean well,

- Recognizing the utility of GA#535 to eliminate the use of the death penalty under most circumstances,

- Concerned that GA#545 will allow war criminals who have committed unspeakable and heinous crimes to escape justice,

- Believing that the restriction of the death penalty would be more appropriate under the purview of military law rather than complete abolishment,

- Concerned that GA#545 may also impede on international sovereignty,

Hereby renders GA#545 null and void

This is my first time actually doing one of these proposals, so it's still a WIP. Feel free to suggest any additions to the proposal.

Liberatarian States regrets to inform that we do not support this proposal. Liberatarian States strongly disapproves of capital and and corporal punishment. However, Liberatarian States considers it legal and acceptable for the GA to vote on.

OOC: Some improvements: The first line should be: "General Assembly Resolution #545 “Digital Network Defense” (Category: Civil Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void." You also wrote "GA#535" once. Also, the last line should be: "Hereby repeals GA#545". It's like a standard, I think.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I believe the reference to GA 535 is intentional, as GA 535 is my resolution banning the civil death penalty.