I made my edits, check the latest reply in that thread.
Also, change the title of your replacement. Be creative.
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by Greater Cesnica » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:10 am
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by Trellania » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:48 am
Brezzia wrote:Member Nations may prohibit and order the dissolution of associations that promote or pursue:
- the non-recognition of civil and political rights on the basis of distinctions of sex, ethnicity, language, religion, political opinions, personal and social conditions,
- the infliction of physical and psychological harm among their members or towards non-members,
- the violation of international and local laws by their members,
- the implementation of political aims through actions of a military or terrorist nature,
by Brezzia » Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:07 pm
Trellania wrote:"After all, if such a nation declares such organizations against the law, then they would be within their rights under this to persecute those groups."
Trellania wrote:The knight stops to take a moment to catch her breath. That was quite the amount of text to read aloud in one go.
Trellania wrote:"Trellania will be opposing both this and the repeal."
Trellania wrote:Dame Allania Trueblood wanders in. Despite looking and dressed exactly the same as the one discussing the repeal, this one is missing the mask and cat ears, instead wearing a set of gloves with metal claws on them.
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by Trellania » Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:19 pm
Brezzia wrote:"Noting that clause 3 of this proposal allows the prohibition and the dissolutions of associations "that promote or pursue the violation of international and local laws by their members", a Member Nation cannot arbitrarily declare an organizations against the law attributing crimes to its members that do not correspond to the aims of this association, because this clause does not allow the prohibition and the dissolutions of associations "that violates international and local laws". If you are wondering if this poses a risk of impunity for criminals, "that is the fault of your law enforcement."
The Brezzian delegation admits its inability to formulate a correct clause. This delegation hopes that the new draft is an improvement over the previous one.
Brezzia acknowledges and respects the position of The Kingdom of Trellania.
This delegation advises against the use of sharp accessories that could cause damage to people and things, in particular to the furniture of this assembly."
by Brezzia » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:27 pm
Trellania wrote:"Ambassador, the part about Clause 3 in this is already covered by existing World Assembly legislation. I refer you to WA #2 Rights and Duties of WA States. Since all members of this assembly agree to cede their sovereignity to what international law, as imposed by this assembly, dictates, the national laws should already match the international laws. The existing resolution you are trying to replace does not need to be reworked because of that aspect. Unless, ambassador, you are admitting guilt in practicing noncompliance?"
"It does not, ambassador. This new draft remains as much at guilt of one of the very reasons you cite for repealing existing legislation as the current resolution does. I see absolutely no reason to bother with replacing it."
"Ambassador, I think we both agree my tongue is far shaper than any claws I choose to strap on."
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by Trellania » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:48 pm
Brezzia wrote:This delegation is ready to admit errors if it has made any. This is why we have submitted our proposal to this assembly.
This delegation was referring only to the drawing up of the text. We are aware of Trellanian opposition to our proposal.
Dame Ambassador, this delegation does not agree.
by Brezzia » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:44 pm
Trellania wrote:"Right now, if I were you, I would be more concerned with what the international courts have to say than the issues of this proposal.
"In particular, when you violated Article 6 of Rights and Duties of WA States during the discussion of your repeal attempt. The article states, and I quote, 'Every WA Member State has the duty to refrain from fomenting civil strife in the territory of another NationState, and to prevent the organization within its territory of activities calculated to foment such civil strife.' In the discussion of your repeal effort, your delegation stated, 'The Workers' Council Republic of Brezzia openly advocates the world revolution of the proletarians and the liberation from the shackles of capitalism.'"
Dame Allania pauses, to let the words sink in.
"I can see why you would be concerned about the idea of nations not being in compliance with a World Assembly resolution given that your delegation has openly, in these very halls, admitted to noncompliance yourselves.
"But your noncompliance is not evidence enough to support the issue of a replacement. Your replacement does nothing important not already covered by the existing resolution or other legislation already passed by this assembly."
"My point, ambassador, is that there is almost nothing in the new clauses about organizations not already covered by existing legislation, making the replacement unnecessary."
"You are free to disagree. But I think you have bigger issues than how sharp my tongue is right now."
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by Trellania » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:57 pm
Brezzia wrote:"We wonder then why, if the previous resulutions satisfy our requests so broadly, this assembly considered it appropriate to legislate on this matter. Indeed, we believe that our replacement proposal adequately covers the provisions of GA#550 resolution, if repealed, and resolves our concerns. Were the ambassadors bewitched by the excessive use of the word freedom in GA#550?"
by Brezzia » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:09 am
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by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:41 pm
by Brezzia » Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:09 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Can you rename this thread to whatever your chosen title is? The title is too similar to the repeal's title.
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by Bears Armed » Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:12 am
by Brezzia » Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:33 am
Bears Armed wrote:In the definition of 'association' you include "a permanent bond between its members", but then in clause 1 you recognise a right to leave the association at any time: This is contradictory.
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by Bears Armed » Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:05 am
by Brezzia » Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:31 am
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by Bananaistan » Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:45 am
by Hulldom » Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:36 am
Bananaistan wrote:OOC: Could you summarise how this is better than the existing resolution please?
by Brezzia » Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:14 am
Bananaistan wrote:OOC: Could you summarise how this is better than the existing resolution please?
Brezzia wrote:This proposal tries to cover GA#550's flaws:
- clause 3 identifies dangerous associations that must be prohibited and clause 6 encourages international cooperation to do so;
- clause 4 allows the imposition of monetary penalties on associations, while GA#550 allows the "incarceration of an association";
- clause 5 allows the prevention of conflicts of interest.
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by Kurogasa » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:13 pm
Brezzia wrote:Bananaistan wrote:OOC: Could you summarise how this is better than the existing resolution please?
Thanks for your question. I added this list to the first post.Brezzia wrote:This proposal tries to cover GA#550's flaws:
- clause 3 identifies dangerous associations that must be prohibited and clause 6 encourages international cooperation to do so;
- clause 4 allows the imposition of monetary penalties on associations, while GA#550 allows the "incarceration of an association";
- clause 5 allows the prevention of conflicts of interest.
by Brezzia » Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:24 am
Kurogasa wrote:So individual nations must allow any and every group to exist unless the GA doesn't like it, so you guys have all the control in it
Brezzia wrote:Requires that Member Nations prohibit associations that promote or pursue:
- the non-recognition of civil and political rights on the basis of distinctions of sex, ethnicity, language, religion, political opinions, personal and social conditions,
- the infliction of physical and psychological harm among their members or towards non-members,
- the perpetration of illegal transportation of objects, substances, information, animals or people for profit, or
- the implementation of political aims through actions of a military or terrorist nature,
Kurogasa wrote:...no thanks, current one is fine.
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by Potted Plants United » Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:19 am
Brezzia wrote:Allowing criminal penalties on group of people for "national security reason" is not fine.
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by Brezzia » Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:37 am
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