[DEFEATED] Corporal Punishment Ban

[Araraukar]

OOC: As written does not actually ban corporal punishment except in very few psychopathic levels of cases.

And isn't this in its entirety duplication of the child abuse ban resolution?

[Tinhampton]

OOC: As written does not actually ban corporal punishment except in very few psychopathic levels of cases.

I'm not too sure how it got that narrowly focused, then

And isn't this in its entirety duplication of the child abuse ban resolution?

Corporal punishment as defined here can involve "any person," regardless of age.

[Araraukar]

OOC: The "that person or any person" could be replaced with just "a person" or even "someone". The latter case of "(with the consent of) person and the person" could be replaced with "(with) their (consent)", unless you were trying to be funny in which case it needs more. Personal/personally and so forth.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

While we oppose extreme uses of corporal punishment, we are neither the less opposed to outlawing all forms of it, especially in prisons. I’ll have to vote against this resolution when it’ll go into vote. Sorry.

[Kardashev III Civilization]

The obelisk floats in casually, stopping a good distance away from any other person in the room. "I am informed that this is a fairly decent proposal. However, I might remind you of the need for police to discipline rioters, vandals, and dissenters from time to time. I think broadening the scope of the exceptions in this resolution to include those areas would do more good than encouraging member states to use military detachments as police in such cases."

[Tinhampton]

Clarificatory Article d added; definition condensed; Barfleur de-coauthored (he was technically fine with the coauthorship but didn't feel as though he actually deserved one).

[Araraukar]

OOC: "They invaded our nation, let's teach these foreign mongrels a lesson and kick their asses - aim to maim, as it's hard to learn when dead.." Bam, your defensive war is now illegal.

You might want to just in general make a military exception.

And definition still does not cover corporal punishment as it is commonly used.

[Barfleur]

Clarificatory Article d added; definition condensed; Barfleur de-coauthored (he was technically fine with the coauthorship but didn't feel as though he actually deserved one).

OOC: Just confirming that I am entirely on board with the de-coauthorship.

And definition still does not cover corporal punishment as it is commonly used.

OOC: How? Corporal punishment is the use of violence as a punishment, without the consent of the person punished. How is Article A not sufficient?

[Great Algerstonia]

"1000% opposed, if this proposal passes my Brigade will not comply... and maybe some corporal punishment is in order for some of the ambassadors that support this weakness, haha!"

~Admiral-Ambassador Alec Ainsworth, while supervising his soldiers practicing hand-to-hand combat.

[Daarwyrth]

Dame Maria vyn Nysen: "Our delegation remains supportive of this resolution, and I am looking forward to seeing it come to a vote. Corporal punishment is a barbaric practice that has no place in a civilised society. The sooner it is banned, the better."

[Tinhampton]

"1000% opposed, if this proposal passes my Brigade will not comply... and maybe some corporal punishment is in order for some of the ambassadors that support this weakness, haha!"

~Admiral-Ambassador Alec Ainsworth, while supervising his soldiers practicing hand-to-hand combat.

McTernan: You've properly read through Article b, mate, haven't you? Do do, please. Do do do do do. Do do do do do do do do do do.

Dame Maria vyn Nysen: "Our delegation remains supportive of this resolution, and I am looking forward to seeing it come to a vote. Corporal punishment is a barbaric practice that has no place in a civilised society. The sooner it is banned, the better."

Alexander Smith, Tinhamptonian Delegate-Ambassador to the World Assembly, while McTernan attempts to distract Ainsworth: Thanks... muchly.

[Araraukar]

And definition still does not cover corporal punishment as it is commonly used.

OOC: How? Corporal punishment is the use of violence as a punishment, without the consent of the person punished. How is Article A not sufficient?

OOC: Not according to the definition. That's the whole issue with it.

Without going too far off PG13, I can say that as a S&M top, I know how to hurt without harming. That should be clue enough.

[Greater Cesnica]

"I would advise the delegation from Tinhampton to heed the advice given by the delegation from Araraukar regarding changing the definition of corporal punishment."

[Tinhampton]

McTernan: What.
Delegate-Ambassador Smith: Since our resident not-resident understudy appears to be having trouble with following instructions at this particular moment, I have taken the necessary steps to expand the scope of Article a.

OOC: Will submit in the coming days. Voters, place your comments!

[Cretox State]

Why should I be banned from defending myself against a robber who breaks into my home?

[Tinhampton]

Why should I be banned from defending myself against a robber who breaks into my home?

Should you? Hmmmm... on second thoughts, Article d has been amended to "clarif[y] that this resolution does not affect the use of force in self-defence or by law enforcement officers."

[Daarwyrth]

Why should I be banned from defending myself against a robber who breaks into my home?

Should you? Hmmmm... on second thoughts, Article d has been amended to "clarif[y] that this resolution does not affect the use of force in self-defence or by law enforcement officers."

Vyn Nysen: "I was about to suggest the inclusion of an exception for self-defense upon reading the comment from the delegation from Cretox State. Fortunately, you included the exclusion already."

[Tinhampton]

Delegate-Ambassador Smith: Since it might not have been apparent already, Article d's scope has been widened yet again to confirm that "sexual activity by consenting adults" remains unaffected by our proposal. If it already was, for whatever reason, do tell - Understudy McTernan can handle the simple task of counter-scribbling a few scribbles from a bit of paper, as far as I know.

[The Python]

Support

[Greater Cesnica]

"I strongly urge the Tinhamptonian delegation to amend Article d. so it reads as":

clarifies that this resolution does not affect the use of force in self-defence or the defense of others, nor sexual activity by consenting adults,

OOC: Bolded part is what I replaced the law enforcement officers bit with. My amended version of the article would cover legitimate law enforcement use of force whilst not giving free license for cops to commit Rodney King style beatdowns.

[Tinhampton]

Changes made after feedback from GC and some... discussion with Maowi. Will (likely) submit extremely soon, possibly at Sunday minor update!

[Greater Cesnica]

"Thank you, Ambassador."

[Araraukar]

OOC: Perhaps definition needs another rewording, because now it contains "an action they actually or apparently have carried out, without their consent" - I know it's not meant to be read like that, but that's how it currently reads. Maybe break down the definition so that corporeal punishment must include 1. the physical pain or harm (injury is harm, so you really don't need that repetition), 2. be done to punish someone, and 3. be applied nonconsensually.

[Tinhampton]

Article a amended to define corporal punishment as

the infliction of physical pain or harm upon any person, where such infliction occurs with the intention of penalising a person for an action they actually or apparently have carried out, and where such infliction occurs without their consent or that of the person intended to be penalised

if that's any good... or better

[Astrobolt]

Ambassador Tappe: "Why does this resolution seem to have an exemption for maintaining discipline in the military?"