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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:01 pm

A protocol is an supplement, addendum, or amendment to a preexisting treaty. Why are you calling it 'Volcanic Activity Protocol'?

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Postby Minskiev » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:58 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:A protocol is an supplement, addendum, or amendment to a preexisting treaty. Why are you calling it 'Volcanic Activity Protocol'?


That's not what I interpret a protocol as, but nevertheless protocol probably isn't the best word to use.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:32 am

Minskiev wrote:A volcano is a vent in the earth's surface. Occasionally it erupts from stress in the earth.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:04 pm

Against Volcanic Activity? That just sounds weird like "we're against volcanic activity! Mother Nature must stop volcanoing!" Why not rename it to something else? At least Volcanic Activity Protocol makes more sense than this for a title.
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Postby Barfleur » Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:53 pm

OOC: I'm... not entirely sure what section 3(c) is supposed to mean. Does it mean member nations are expected to decide for themselves which hazards to educate about? The wording and structure of the sentence seem to indicate that, but it's not very clear.

As to the title, I agree with Outer Sparta. Perhaps "Protection From Volcanic Activity" or "Volcanic Activity Compact" would be a more accurate title.
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Postby Minskiev » Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:19 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Against Volcanic Activity? That just sounds weird like "we're against volcanic activity! Mother Nature must stop volcanoing!" Why not rename it to something else? At least Volcanic Activity Protocol makes more sense than this for a title.


I'm not happy with it either, admittedly, however, I wouldn't exactly call this resolution a protocol. I'd love to hear name suggestions.

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OOC: I'm... not entirely sure what section 3(c) is supposed to mean. Does it mean member nations are expected to decide for themselves which hazards to educate about? The wording and structure of the sentence seem to indicate that, but it's not very clear.


Yes, that's what it's saying. It's likely unclear because I added additional text to 3 so now it looks unnecessary. I'll do something with it.

As to the title, I agree with Outer Sparta. Perhaps "Protection From Volcanic Activity" or "Volcanic Activity Compact" would be a more accurate title.


Also agreed, but I think that PfVA sounds strange, and I'm not sure if 'compact' is the right word for regulation...maybe? although part of the resolution sorta focuses on international cooperation, so...
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:27 pm

OOC: Don't get so accustomed to taking advice that you spend too much time on the piddling, nitpicky stuff at the expense of substantial advice. Not only does e.g. the Montreal Protocol get treated as for all intents and purposes its own entire treaty, there is also precedent in the World Assembly for a series of steps dealing with some issue to be called a "protocol." This is not something to bother spending time on. Outer Sparta has the right of it.

Ara's list of "volcanoes" should provoke some thought, however. I question the utility of building infrastructure to "combat volcanic activity" in any but the most particular cases of predictable, slow lava (e.g. let's build some cheapish walls or channels to save these poorly placed towns in Hawaii). Most cases of volcanoes being destructive require the reactive use of emergency vehicles and earth-moving equipment - post-hoc mobility, not pre-fabricated infrastructure - or else are effectively unfightable (e.g. Eyjafjallajokul ash causing flight disruptions).

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Postby Minskiev » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:15 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Ara's list of "volcanoes" should provoke some thought, however.

Yes. Perhaps I'll define a volcano and clarify that it erupts magma.
I question the utility of building infrastructure to "combat volcanic activity" in any but the most particular cases of predictable, slow lava (e.g. let's build some cheapish walls or channels to save these poorly placed towns in Hawaii). Most cases of volcanoes being destructive require the reactive use of emergency vehicles and earth-moving equipment - post-hoc mobility, not pre-fabricated infrastructure - or else are effectively unfightable (e.g. Eyjafjallajokul ash causing flight disruptions).

While a wall probably wouldn't do much against ash clouds, a building built to resist, say, an earthquake (which can be volcanic activity), would "combat" it better. However, I might be able to make it more clear and sensible.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:41 pm

Minskiev wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Ara's list of "volcanoes" should provoke some thought, however.

Yes. Perhaps I'll define a volcano and clarify that it erupts magma.

Magmatic extrusive is called lava. Also, I'm fairly certain most volcanoes do not produce magma, at least not regularly. Ash and volcanic gas are more common products. Volcanoes also eject solid rock of fairly considerable size.
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Postby Minskiev » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:32 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Minskiev wrote:Yes. Perhaps I'll define a volcano and clarify that it erupts magma.

Magmatic extrusive is called lava. Also, I'm fairly certain most volcanoes do not produce magma, at least not regularly. Ash and volcanic gas are more common products. Volcanoes also eject solid rock of fairly considerable size.


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Fixed, I hope.
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Postby Araraukar » Mon May 03, 2021 3:11 am

Minskiev wrote:Fixed, I hope.

OOC: My list of volcanoes still applies, and earthquakes still don't apply. So, um, likely not as fixed as you'd like. ;)
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Postby Minskiev » Tue May 04, 2021 4:35 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Minskiev wrote:Fixed, I hope.

OOC: My list of volcanoes still applies, and earthquakes still don't apply. So, um, likely not as fixed as you'd like. ;)


Earthquakes as covered in this resolution are an example of a volcanic hazard. And what would you do to make it clear what constitutes a volcano from a mud volcano?
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Postby South St Maarten » Wed May 05, 2021 4:13 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Minskiev wrote:Yes. Perhaps I'll define a volcano and clarify that it erupts magma.

Magmatic extrusive is called lava. Also, I'm fairly certain most volcanoes do not produce magma, at least not regularly. Ash and volcanic gas are more common products. Volcanoes also eject solid rock of fairly considerable size.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain that the molten rock below the surface is magma, but the magmatic extrusive, as you said, is called lava. So you could technically say it produces magma but such magma would only leave the volcano as lava. Or at least that is what I remember from Earth Science 5 years ago :-þ
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Postby Minskiev » Fri May 07, 2021 4:50 am

South St Maarten wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Magmatic extrusive is called lava. Also, I'm fairly certain most volcanoes do not produce magma, at least not regularly. Ash and volcanic gas are more common products. Volcanoes also eject solid rock of fairly considerable size.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain that the molten rock below the surface is magma, but the magmatic extrusive, as you said, is called lava. So you could technically say it produces magma but such magma would only leave the volcano as lava. Or at least that is what I remember from Earth Science 5 years ago :-þ


Semantics really.
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Postby Araraukar » Fri May 07, 2021 5:50 am

OOC: I will try to remember to help you with this in a couple of hours. It's currently a mess, really. But few messes are so bad they can't be cleaned up! :lol:
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Postby Minskiev » Sat May 08, 2021 12:53 pm

Araraukar wrote:OOC: I will try to remember to help you with this in a couple of hours. It's currently a mess, really. But few messes are so bad they can't be cleaned up! :lol:


A couple of hours eh? :lol2:
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Postby Ardiveds » Sat May 08, 2021 2:35 pm

Minskiev wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: I will try to remember to help you with this in a couple of hours. It's currently a mess, really. But few messes are so bad they can't be cleaned up! :lol:


A couple of hours eh? :lol2:

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