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[DRAFT #1c] Self-Defence Education Compact

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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:35 pm

Wasn't there a ruling somewhere, that a proposal had to actually had to do what the title says? And if so, how much of said proposal had to do what the title says?
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:40 am

This is a self-defence proposal slightly interwoven with PE :P
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Postby Polomon Islands » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:02 am

Tinhampton wrote:This is a self-defence proposal slightly interwoven with PE :P

Oh ok.
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Postby Xernon » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:13 pm

It's an interesting idea, but one that I feel is not really an international issue warranting WA intervention. I can think of a number of other topics that may warrant WA intervention into member nations' educational policies. This is not really one of them.
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Postby Wayneactia » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:48 pm

Tinhampton wrote:This is a self-defence proposal slightly interwoven with PE :P

It’s a four line omnibus bill that blocks both further self defence regulation and physical education legislation. Now I am not opposed to the idea of blockers on both subjects, should they actually become hot button topic. Honestly when was the last time we had a 40 page thread on a phys ed, or self defence resolution? This honestly comes off a solution looking for a problem. No support from me.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:30 pm

Anderson: The real proposal "that blocks further self defence regulation" is Ambassador Bell's Self-Defense Compact. Does anybody else have any comments about the actual content of our delegation's proposal?
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Postby Xanthorrhoea » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:02 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Anderson: The real proposal "that blocks further self defence regulation" is Ambassador Bell's Self-Defense Compact. Does anybody else have any comments about the actual content of our delegation's proposal?

In all honesty (in my mind) this is the least effective way to approach the problem of crime and assault. I’d much rather have improved education on issues like consent/empathy, and put funding towards reducing societal influences on violence/better policing etc.

To use the news article that inspired this proposal as an example, it is frankly laughable that the young lady that died could have stopped a knife-wielding opponent with basic ‘school level’ self defence techniques. Once she was in that situation and he grabbed a knife, there was very little she could have done, even with training. The best way to stop that happening again is through preventative measures, not teaching people to fight back. It’s similar to the gun situation in the US. Giving everyone more ways to fight simply leads to escalation.

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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:41 pm

To reiterate that Article c currently contains provision for education "on the importance and safe execution of basic unarmed self-defence, de-escalating and preventing small-scale conflict situations, and escape from life-threatening situations," as was discussed on Monday. I'd be open in principle to Xanthorrhoea's preferred course of action, but do not want to take the content of this bill extremely far from its original and current intention.

I would note that James Gray's quest to enshrine self-defence lessons in the National Curriculum never culminated in a bill - although many other important issues have admittedly arisen since February 2020. I originally wrote this proposal on the day that Ellie Gould: Murdered girl's friends call for self-defence lessons was published but never bothered to forum-draft it for the first 54 weeks of its existence... goddamnit, Xant, you're making me think of the Teach The Future campaign that was gathering steam around the same time and was one surprise COVID briefing away from talking with the then-Education Secretary about their demands to require teaching on climate change
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