Rights for animals

[Munchsal]

"Opposed on all fronts. This is poorly drafted, and it is clear that the author has not contemplated the rules. The author also fails to understand the needs of poorer countries and is not specific about what constitutes an animal being influenced, and the accidental harming of animals is an everyday occurrence that would cause bankruptcy in the average citizen in a few weeks.

I would suggest the author focus more specifically on different parts of animal rights/humane treatment (see other resolutions for reference), instead of a broad topic that is difficult to make clear legislation on."

The Munchsal government appreciates your polite suggestion.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Because it destroys all other society. Why is that something we should support?"

The time when empires were at their peak, the time when there was a world to discover, the time when the world was simpler, is that time that you should support this.

"The C.D.S.P. operates very effectively as a confederated republic. Simplicity is only beneficial insofar as it brings about good results. Our complex society is more efficient than a simple one involving oppression, brutalization of innocents, and poor technological development. Next argument."

[Munchsal]

What's wrong with wanting to return Munchsal to the old days, when slavery was legal and animals ran happily through the countryside?

"If all you care about is changing your own country, than perhaps this legislation is best reserved for your own nation, rather than that of the entire Assembly."

I just want everyone to experience the love of the old days in its purest form.

[Vikanias]

“Opposed, many member states don’t have the bulkiest economies to switch to “moral” foods and will cause the loss of millions of jobs around the globe and possible collapse of multiple big industries in some nations. Although endangered animals should be protected by all means a ban on any animal hunting is wrong and quite frankly stupid”

[Separatist Peoples]

"If all you care about is changing your own country, than perhaps this legislation is best reserved for your own nation, rather than that of the entire Assembly."

I just want everyone to experience the love of the old days in its purest form.

"Subjective values aren't convincing without effective policy justifications."

[Nevertopia]

The assembly of the republic of Munchsal has proposed that all animals, national and non-national,
they should have rights that protect them for the following reasons:
-Although animals do not have the same perspective on life that we have, they also feel.
-We consume animal products on a daily basis and we should thank the animals by giving them rights as well.
The rights that animals would have would be:
-They could not be hunted for recreational purposes.
-They would have the right not to be harmed, and citizens who fail to comply with this would be fined.
-Animals would have the right to live in their habitats and to continue with their lives without the human being influencing them.
I request that these rights be approved as animals need them.

There are no pacts between lions and men.

[Tsaivao]

"Because it destroys all other society. Why is that something we should support?"

The time when empires were at their peak, the time when there was a world to discover, the time when the world was simpler, is that time that you should support this.

"Yeah sorry, nobody here is putting on the rose-colored gas mask to go to whatever anarcho-primitivist hellhole your nation was in. I can tell that the honorable delegation here present is making a mockery by insisting on the rights of non-sapients while enslaving sapients. Such a bold choice for a human whose proposal is littered with illegalities, and whose head seems to be filled with the notion that this is somehow moral.

What about keeping pets? Dealing with pests? Hunting for subsistence? Riding animals? Interacting with them? Looking at them? What counts as influencing, what fines are we imposing? If your only attempt is to mock the assembly, I do not see why this should be discussed further.

In case it's not obvious, Tsaivao is opposed. We don't even have to do an internal vote to find that out." --Delegate Manhu Sentai Laogai

[Munchsal]

Dame Allania Trueblood looks at the proposal and tilts her head.

"Given both this and the want to legalize slavery... I am forced to wonder what your nation ate to provide certain necessary nutrients humans require that are found primarily in meat."

Sintetic food.

[Trellania]

Dame Allania Trueblood looks at the proposal and tilts her head.

"Given both this and the want to legalize slavery... I am forced to wonder what your nation ate to provide certain necessary nutrients humans require that are found primarily in meat."

Sintetic food.

"Opposed on the grounds this lacks sanity. Also, I would suggest trying some natural foods in your diet; they are obviously necessary."

[Tinhampton]

Lydia Anderson, Assistant to the Delegate-Ambassador: "Synthetic food" as the ambassador from Munchsal knows it did not exist in the fifteenth, sixteenth, nor seventeenth centuries after the death of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

[Vikanias]

“Wait a minute, if no human can harm us seals we can take over the world and bring it under her rightful rulers! MUAHAHAHA”

[Munchsal]

The time when empires were at their peak, the time when there was a world to discover, the time when the world was simpler, is that time that you should support this.

"The C.D.S.P. operates very effectively as a confederated republic. Simplicity is only beneficial insofar as it brings about good results. Our complex society is more efficient than a simple one involving oppression, brutalization of innocents, and poor technological development. Next argument."

There are no more arguments, I want this to be voted on.

[Munchsal]

“Opposed, many member states don’t have the bulkiest economies to switch to “moral” foods and will cause the loss of millions of jobs around the globe and possible collapse of multiple big industries in some nations. Although endangered animals should be protected by all means a ban on any animal hunting is wrong and quite frankly stupid”

Solution: That these countries improve their economy.

[Munchsal]

The assembly of the republic of Munchsal has proposed that all animals, national and non-national,
they should have rights that protect them for the following reasons:
-Although animals do not have the same perspective on life that we have, they also feel.
-We consume animal products on a daily basis and we should thank the animals by giving them rights as well.
The rights that animals would have would be:
-They could not be hunted for recreational purposes.
-They would have the right not to be harmed, and citizens who fail to comply with this would be fined.
-Animals would have the right to live in their habitats and to continue with their lives without the human being influencing them.
I request that these rights be approved as animals need them.

There are no pacts between lions and men.

Unless...

[Separatist Peoples]

"The C.D.S.P. operates very effectively as a confederated republic. Simplicity is only beneficial insofar as it brings about good results. Our complex society is more efficient than a simple one involving oppression, brutalization of innocents, and poor technological development. Next argument."

There are no more arguments, I want this to be voted on.

"Ambassador, you are welcome to submit it. You can have it at vote if you receive sufficient approvals. Getting proposals to vote is not a right."

[Munchsal]

Lydia Anderson, Assistant to the Delegate-Ambassador: "Synthetic food" as the ambassador from Munchsal knows it did not exist in the fifteenth, sixteenth, nor seventeenth centuries after the death of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

I do not understand where you want to get with that argument comrade.

[Vikanias]

“Opposed, many member states don’t have the bulkiest economies to switch to “moral” foods and will cause the loss of millions of jobs around the globe and possible collapse of multiple big industries in some nations. Although endangered animals should be protected by all means a ban on any animal hunting is wrong and quite frankly stupid”

Solution: That these countries improve their economy.

That’s like saying to homeless person “get a house”

And “many poorer countries can’t build up their economies because of civil wars. Corruption in the government and etc. Frankly your attempts to prove that this proposal can work leads to more holes being poked in it.”

[Sincluda]

“Opposed, many member states don’t have the bulkiest economies to switch to “moral” foods and will cause the loss of millions of jobs around the globe and possible collapse of multiple big industries in some nations. Although endangered animals should be protected by all means a ban on any animal hunting is wrong and quite frankly stupid”

Solution: That these countries improve their economy.

Forsha Nenevin, aide to the Prime Ambassador:
"Prime Ambassador Raiken wishes me to respond to this on his behalf, as he is in a laughing fit and unable to himself. My response is simply; how?"

[Munchsal]

There are no more arguments, I want this to be voted on.

"Ambassador, you are welcome to submit it. You can have it at vote if you receive sufficient approvals. Getting proposals to vote is not a right."

Illustrate me on how to put it to a vote please.

[Sincluda]

Lydia Anderson, Assistant to the Delegate-Ambassador: "Synthetic food" as the ambassador from Munchsal knows it did not exist in the fifteenth, sixteenth, nor seventeenth centuries after the death of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

I do not understand where you want to get with that argument comrade.

"Poorer countries are not able to make synthetic food."

[Sincluda]

"Ambassador, you are welcome to submit it. You can have it at vote if you receive sufficient approvals. Getting proposals to vote is not a right."

Illustrate me on how to put it to a vote please.

OOC: >>> World Assembly >>> Proposals (General Assembly) >>> Submit.
Good luck getting quorum tho.

[Munchsal]

This is an answer for Sincluda and Vikanias:
I am going to get out of the role for a moment:
In this game there are neither civil wars nor government problems that cannot be solved.

[Atheris]

This is an answer for Sincluda and Vikanias:
I am going to get out of the role for a moment:
In this game there are neither civil wars nor government problems that cannot be solved.

GA proposals can't mention the game, though.

[Sincluda]

This is an answer for Sincluda and Vikanias:
I am going to get out of the role for a moment:
In this game there are neither civil wars nor government problems that cannot be solved.

OOC: I feel like you are missing the point of roleplay...

[Separatist Peoples]

"Ambassador, you are welcome to submit it. You can have it at vote if you receive sufficient approvals. Getting proposals to vote is not a right."

Illustrate me on how to put it to a vote please.

"Figure it out yourself, ambassador. Why should I help you when I oppose this?"