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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:15 am

The World Assembly,

Seeking to preserve human life where necessary,

Hereby;

1. Preserves the right for member nations to make their own laws defining self-defense, and the appropriate use of the same,

2. Preserves the right for international law and member nations to make laws regarding voluntary ending of one's life, including through combat,

3. Excludes punishment for crime from this resolution,

4. Defines murder for the purposes of this resolution as the forced and intentional ending of a human being, unless done under clause 2, 3, or 4,

5. Defines cannibalism as the consumption of a human being,

6. Bans cannibalism and murder.
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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:15 am

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Postby Untecna » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:18 am

Murder is already a punishable crime in most, if not all, nations, therefore this is unnecessary.

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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:20 am

Untecna wrote:Murder is already a punishable crime in most, if not all, nations, therefore this is unnecessary.

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I believe some nations still allow cannibalism, this would also put a stop to that.

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Postby Untecna » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:23 am

Jedinsto wrote:
Untecna wrote:Murder is already a punishable crime in most, if not all, nations, therefore this is unnecessary.

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I believe some nations still allow cannibalism, this would also put a stop to that.

I don't see anything about cannibalism. Besides, cannibalism doesn't necessarily require murder.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:24 am

Jedinsto wrote:
The World Assembly,

Seeking to preserve sapient life where necessary,

Hereby;

1. Defines sapient species as any physical entity possessing the ability to:

a. Think, understand, and form judgements by a process of logic,

b. Choose a sensible course of action or considered response,

c. Experience subjectively, feel, or recognize, discern, envision, understand, or attain awareness of their own thought,

2. Preserves the right for member nations to make their own laws defining self-defense, and the appropriate use of the same,

3. Preserves the right for [edited in: international law and] member nations to make laws regarding voluntary ending of one's life, including through combat,

4. Excludes punishment for crime from this resolution,

5. Defines murder for the purposes of this resolution as the forced ending of the life of a member of a sapient species, unless done under clause 2, 3, or 4,

6. Bans murder.

Well, first, plagiarism of GA 355 is illegal. I will not support any proposal which would prohibit the Assembly from requiring the legalisation of euthanasia. You also defined murder, essentially, as any killing. That isn't what murder is.
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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:26 am

Untecna wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:I believe some nations still allow cannibalism, this would also put a stop to that.

I don't see anything about cannibalism. Besides, cannibalism doesn't necessarily require murder.

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Changed.

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Postby Untecna » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:29 am

Jedinsto wrote:
Untecna wrote:I don't see anything about cannibalism. Besides, cannibalism doesn't necessarily require murder.

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Changed.

Cannibalism, according to this definition, can include killing animals for food.

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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:30 am

Untecna wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:Changed.

Cannibalism, according to this definition, can include killing animals for food.

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With my definition of sapient species, this is incorrect

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Postby Untecna » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:32 am

Jedinsto wrote:
Untecna wrote:Cannibalism, according to this definition, can include killing animals for food.

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With my definition of sapient species, this is incorrect

Assuming that animals can use logic to make decisions, and knowing this is real, I am very correct.

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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:33 am

Untecna wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:With my definition of sapient species, this is incorrect

Assuming that animals can use logic to make decisions, and knowing this is real, I am very correct.

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How many animals do you know are aware of their own thoughts?

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Postby Belshekistan » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:34 am

Jedinsto wrote:
Untecna wrote:Cannibalism, according to this definition, can include killing animals for food.

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With my definition of sapient species, this is incorrect

I'd advise you just change it from "sapient species" to "human". That's both more correct and quells any "x animal is actually sapient" argument.
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Postby And Spaces » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:35 am

Untecna wrote:Cannibalism, according to this definition, can include killing animals for food.

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No, cannibalism is eating your own kind for food. Killing a deer for food is not cannibalism.
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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:35 am

Belshekistan wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:With my definition of sapient species, this is incorrect

I'd advise you just change it from "sapient species" to "human". That's both more correct and quells any "x animal is actually sapient" argument.

Okay, that's fair.

Edit- For the record, the reason I had that definition is because there was this weird theme of defining humans as sapient beings in legislation, I thought I might as well do the same.
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Postby Untecna » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:36 am

And Spaces wrote:
Untecna wrote:Cannibalism, according to this definition, can include killing animals for food.

Have a nice day!
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No, cannibalism is eating your own kind for food. Killing a deer for food is not cannibalism.

According to their definition, X animal can be sapient, which means that killing a deer and eating it could be considered cannibalism.
Jedinsto wrote:
Untecna wrote:Assuming that animals can use logic to make decisions, and knowing this is real, I am very correct.

Have a nice day!
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How many animals do you know are aware of their own thoughts?

Most animals should be.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:48 am

People will complain about using the word 'human' in place of an individual. Then some people will insist you pretend you're on Star Trek and use the ugly word 'sapient' instead of the commonly accepted word 'individual' or 'natural person'.

A ban on the consumption of a human being without justification fails the strict scrutiny test in Freedom of Religion, given various religious practices of ritual cannibalism of the dead.
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Postby Scalizagasti » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:43 pm

Jedinsto wrote:4. Defines murder for the purposes of this resolution as the forced and intentional ending of a human being, unless done under clause 2, 3, or 4,

"Is this clause supposed to reference itself? To me this reads: 'murder is the forced and intentional ending of a human being, unless it is done as the forced and intentional ending of a human being.' Also, you should probably specify ending their life, right now you just have ending in general."

"Regardless, without a signficant overhaul I cannot support this resolution. I can't think of any country where murder is not frowned upon, not to mention some contradictions with existing resolutions."
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:29 pm

The complications with legislating on what homicides are legal and illegal supersede any possible benefits this can have. Any nation with a functional society prohibits murder. If there are certain forms of killing you consider unjust and believe that other member states would permit, then legislate on those instead of trying to pass a blanket resolution on the entire matter of lethal force.
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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:31 pm

I'm smart enough to see this is going nowhere, maybe I'll come back with something targeted at cannibalism only

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Postby Atheris » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:31 pm

Why is cannibalism only described as the eating of a human being? What about nations that aren't comprised of humans, or nations that treat non-sapient humans as prey? Shouldn't the term be "members of a member nation's own species" or something along those lines?
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Postby Ardiveds » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:35 am

"Apart from the issue of this not taking non-human sapients into account, we also question the rationale behind banning cannibalism even in caes where all parties consent of their own free will and nobody is seriously injured. Sure it might be unsavory to some but why should the state take sides? That would be like banning BDSM."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:36 am

When someone says 'consumption of a human being' do they mean consumption of any part thereof or of the whole thing? The former seems to outlaw biting your nails.

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Postby Groot » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:36 am

Atheris wrote:Why is cannibalism only described as the eating of a human being? What about nations that aren't comprised of humans, or nations that treat non-sapient humans as prey? Shouldn't the term be "members of a member nation's own species" or something along those lines?

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