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[DRAFT]Reduction of Meat Consumption

Postby Old Hope » Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:39 pm

Horrified by the many environmentally hazardous emissions caused by the meat industry,

Knowing that the production of meat wastes lots of resources compared to vegetables,

Concluding that the production of meat should be stopped wherever possible, the World Assembly mandates:

The production of meat in a member state must not exceed the amount necessary for the prevention of harmful effects related to a lack of meat consumption by sapient or sentinent beings present in that member state by more than 10%.

No sapient being in a member state may eat more meat than necessary for the prevention of harmful effects related to a lack of meat consumption.

Fishing and the consumption of fish shall be excluded from the effects of this resolution.

Hunting and the consumption of meat obtained from hunting shall be excluded from the effects of this resolution.

Environmental, Agriculture.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:10 pm

Why is fishing and the consumption of fish excluded?

Where are the definitions?

Most importantly, do you sincerely believe that this is going to over well with the vast majority of nations?
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:17 pm

"This sort of behavior unquestionably demonstrates an unhealthy meat deficiency in your diet, ambassador. My office will send over a couple meat flower arrangements to tide you over until your home nation can next supply you."
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Postby American Pere Housh » Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:36 pm

"Why any nation would support this is a mystery. You do know that humans and and many intelligent Sapient species eat meat."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:49 pm

"Opposed. This is unenforceable without aggressive surveillance, the financial and political costs of which exceed the cost of meat consumption."

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Postby Ionida » Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:17 pm

The production of meat in a member state must not exceed the amount necessary for the prevention of harmful effects related to a lack of meat consumption by sapient or sentinent beings.

And what is this amount, exactly?
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Postby Barfleur » Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:56 pm

"Ambassador, I do not think this 'issue' is one of international concern. To be sure, there are harms involving an overreliance on meat products, but I think those are best solved on the national level. For example, many nations are imposing limits on water usage and deforestation, which serve to prevent the 'environmentally hazardous emissions' your proposal refers to. My own nation has clearly defined controls on the way water from public sources is allocated (not including water found on private property) and on how carbon and methane can be emitted. It is far better for competent local and national governments to address this issue with clearly defined legislation, rather than a sloppy, ill-defined international law. Barfleur opposes this proposal."
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Postby Old Hope » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:21 pm

Barfleur wrote:"Ambassador, I do not think this 'issue' is one of international concern. To be sure, there are harms involving an overreliance on meat products, but I think those are best solved on the national level."

With respect, ambassador, no. Environmental effects caused by an overreliance on meat products are neither small nor confined to just one nation. In fact, emissions due to too many sentinent beings being held for food are often the number one cause for planetary warming.
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Postby Crabaiaia » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:24 pm

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:11 pm

Old Hope wrote:
Barfleur wrote:"Ambassador, I do not think this 'issue' is one of international concern. To be sure, there are harms involving an overreliance on meat products, but I think those are best solved on the national level."

With respect, ambassador, no. Environmental effects caused by an overreliance on meat products are neither small nor confined to just one nation. In fact, emissions due to too many sentinent beings being held for food are often the number one cause for planetary warming.

"And such animals being held for food are going to stop releasing methane when not in captivity?"
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Postby Ardiveds » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:20 pm

"Ambassador, our nation consideres choice of food a fundamental right of every sapient individual. Other than that, the amount of surveillance it would require to comply with this draconian proposal would be a gross violation of the privacy, not to mention the cost and logistics would be a drain for a cause we consider fundamentally flawed. We agree overconsumption of meat is indeed a cause for concern when it comes to health but there are less draconian ways to manage that. We vehemently oppose this violation of sapient dignity."
OOC: Also, I gotta ask, how big is this pollution problem when it comes to goat and chicken? I don't know if goats releasr greenhouses, and chickens definitely don't.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:25 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Opposed. This is unenforceable without aggressive surveillance, the financial and political costs of which exceed the cost of meat consumption."

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Postby Qhevak » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:33 am

'laughs in lab grown meat'
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Postby Old Hope » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:41 am

We will work on a better solution to this problem; we do not want to enforce mass surveillance because of this...
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Postby Ebrilond » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:47 am

I'm sorry, but this is just plain dumb. As much as I hate the World Assembly they won't even read it, they will discard it in the second they see it.
Meat consumption is important, this is how we gain protein.
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Postby France Communale » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:57 am

The Peuple Communard Français approves this resolution.
This is a great progress in ecology and public health.
We are a new nation, but we hope that we will work together for a better world.

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Postby American Pere Housh » Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:14 pm

Old Hope wrote:
Barfleur wrote:"Ambassador, I do not think this 'issue' is one of international concern. To be sure, there are harms involving an overreliance on meat products, but I think those are best solved on the national level."

With respect, ambassador, no. Environmental effects caused by an overreliance on meat products are neither small nor confined to just one nation. In fact, emissions due to too many sentinent beings being held for food are often the number one cause for planetary warming.

"Mr. Ambassador, you seem to forget that many WA nations own more than one planet plus what of non WA nations? My nation of American Pere Housh has a substantial meat packing industry and if this proposal passes, it would do harmful effects to the APH economy."
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Postby Jikucia » Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:19 pm

This proposal was literally made just to be slaughtered.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:10 pm

Jikucia wrote:This proposal was literally made just to be slaughtered.

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Postby Jedinsto » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:10 pm

Old Hope wrote:Horrified by the many environmentally hazardous emissions caused by the meat industry,

Knowing that the production of meat wastes lots of resources compared to vegetables,

Concluding that the production of meat should be stopped wherever possible, the World Assembly mandates:

The production of meat in a member state must not exceed the amount necessary for the prevention of harmful effects related to a lack of meat consumption by sapient or sentinent beings present in that member state by more than 10%.

No sapient being in a member state may eat more meat than necessary for the prevention of harmful effects related to a lack of meat consumption.

Fishing and the consumption of fish shall be excluded from the effects of this resolution.

Hunting and the consumption of meat obtained from hunting shall be excluded from the effects of this resolution.

Environmental, Agriculture.

Extremely, extremely vague, hard to read, and unlikeable. Opposed.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:35 pm

I support a Promotion of Vegetarianism, but this is too restrictive. Against
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Postby Scalizagasti » Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:49 pm

"Strongly opposed. My luncheons will be totally forgettable if I'm not allowed to serve steamed hams."
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Postby Isaris » Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:44 pm

I think what you really want to accomplish is a ban on factory farming, which you might actually get more support for. You don't need to go to the extreme of banning/severely restricting all meat-eating and animal husbandry.

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Postby Barfleur » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:03 am

Isaris wrote:I think what you really want to accomplish is a ban on factory farming, which you might actually get more support for. You don't need to go to the extreme of banning/severely restricting all meat-eating and animal husbandry.

OOC: I concur. A proposed ban on factory farming would also, presumably, include some mention of the cruelty to animals generally associated with such practice. Were you (or another WA member) to submit that kind of proposal, I can see it being better taken than this one.
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Postby Groot » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:39 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Opposed. This is unenforceable without aggressive surveillance, the financial and political costs of which exceed the cost of meat consumption."

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