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It is my honor to present this big issue over drugs
This is a common issue, drugs harm our everyday life and our people. When these drugs are banned, we should help those addicted to drugs and remove tobacco fields with food productions (such as corn). Sure, civil rights may go down, but it is a sacrifice I hope we can make for the betterment of our people.

Doesn't appear to actually do anything.

New Mandoras wrote:It is my honor to present this big issue over drugs
This is a common issue, drugs harm our everyday life and our people. When these drugs are banned, we should help those addicted to drugs and remove tobacco fields with food productions (such as corn). Sure, civil rights may go down, but it is a sacrifice I hope we can make for the betterment of our people.

"Opposed. People are welcome to poison themselves as they see fit."

Illegalizing something to fix it and decrease it is only gonna make it worse. Ever heard of the prohibition?

Marijuana should be completely legalised, and other drugs decriminalised so addicts go to rehab instead of prison. Dealers and smugglers should still go to prison, though.

"because the war on drugs has been soo successful *rolls eyes*
and where do you draw the line? if its not prescripted? what about drugs with medical benefits like cannabis is that illegal too? what about cough syrup and painkillers? are you going to demand a prescription for those too? what about people who cant afford to see a doctor?"

"Opposed on all counts. If the international war on drugs has proven anything, it's that prohibition only serves to expand the black market and engender violence."

I don't believe the market is god. Legalizing Drugs will not solve drugs in the same way legalizing Murder does not eliminate murder.
Death penalty for drug dealers like Duterte was right on this.

Miku the Based wrote:I don't believe the market is god. Legalizing Drugs will not solve drugs in the same way legalizing Murder does not eliminate murder.
Death penalty for drug dealers like Duterte was right on this.

"Ambassador, I have to disagree with the premise of this comparison. In a civil society, violence is not completely banned, yet controlled. A state which does not utilize implicit violence to protect the freedoms of its citizens and discourage violent acts like murder would be powerless to stop violence. In the same way, a controlled drug market would create a situation where the state has the power and ability necessary to intervene on behalf of its citizens, while an uncontrolled, illicit drug market allows violent actors to dominate. And besides, any form of extrajudicial punishment in the same vein as Mr. Duterte only serves to undermine the legitimate rule of law."

To accept the legalization of drugs is to accept the rule and dictatorship of the market on the people. To become addicted to products and be able to throw away hard earned money at the detriment of society and ones family while at the same time enriching the idle mass of lumpen Bourgeois in obtaining and accumulation drug capital does not a socialist society make.

Miku the Based wrote:To accept the legalization of drugs is to accept the rule and dictatorship of the market on the people. To become addicted to products and be able to throw away hard earned money at the detriment of society and ones family while at the same time enriching the idle mass of lumpen Bourgeois in obtaining and accumulation drug capital does not a socialist society make.

"On the contrary, our delegation is convinced that the drug industry is as much a candidate for democratization as any other. The only obstacle to this goal would in fact be a prohibition on the legal cultivation and sale of recreational drugs. For example, in our nation the cultivation of marijuana is managed by the national agricultural union, while distribution takes place in state-owned dispensaries. At every step of the process the proletariat is in control. Before the legalization of marijuana in our nation, distribution was controlled by criminal elements who operated on a capitalist mode of production, as it is in many nations today."

The ambassador pauses to ignite a funny smelling cigar retrieved from his coat.

"And if our citizens decide that they would like to enjoy some reasonable amount of marijuana, who would we be to deny them this simple pleasure?" He says, grinning.

Miku the Based wrote:I don't believe the market is god. Legalizing Drugs will not solve drugs in the same way legalizing Murder does not eliminate murder.
Death penalty for drug dealers like Duterte was right on this.

"The death penalty is all but banned in the World Assembly. Not sure what a Duerte is, ambassador."
OOC: The GA is In Character, not Out Of Character.

Miku the Based wrote:To accept the legalization of drugs is to accept the rule and dictatorship of the market on the people. To become addicted to products and be able to throw away hard earned money at the detriment of society and ones family while at the same time enriching the idle mass of lumpen Bourgeois in obtaining and accumulation drug capital does not a socialist society make.

OOC:
This is strasserite nonsense.

Mao Zedong government is generally credited with eradicating both consumption and production of opium during the 1950s using unrestrained repression and social reform. Ten million addicts were forced into compulsory treatment, dealers were executed, and opium-producing regions were planted with new crops.

They find no Soho "strip-tease" shows, no Mayfair gambling casinos, no pornographic magazines, no heroin pushers, no "pop" music. Enver Hoxha once said:

"Our young people have no need of drugs to escape from reality".

Article 104-d of the 1922 Penal Code of the RSFSR,[1] criminalising drug production, trafficking, and possession with intent to traffic. The 1924 Soviet Constitution expanded this legislation to cover the whole Soviet Union.[2] The 1926 Penal Code of the RSFSR suggested imprisonment or corrective labour for between one and three years as punishment for these offences, depending on the scale of the offence committed. Drug possession without intention to traffic and the personal use of drugs warranted no penalties at this time.

"Their ages are 17. They give them pills at night, they put hallucinatory pills in their drinks, their milk, their coffee, their Nescafe," said Gaddafi.

"They are criminals ... is it logical that you let this phenomenon continue in any city? ... We do not see what is happening in Egypt and Tunisia happening in Libya, ever!"

"You people of Zawiyah, stop your children, take their weapons, bring them away from Bin Laden, the pills will kill them,"

The illegal use, trafficking and production of drugs which reduce human beings into mental cripples do not exist in the DPRK

“There should be no doubt that drugs, including marijuana, are illegal here,” said Torkel Stiernlof, the Swedish ambassador. The United States has no diplomatic relations with the North, so Sweden’s embassy acts as a middleman when U.S. citizens run afoul of North Korean laws.

“One can’t buy it legally and it would be a criminal offense to smoke it,” Stiernlof said. He said that if a foreigner caught violating drug laws in North Korea happened to be an American citizen, he or she could “expect no leniency whatsoever.”

Socialists throughout history took a hard stance on drugs throughout history. The MKGNR follows this political line and take it to Mao levels of persecuting drug trafficking. Western leftists be seething.

Miku the Based wrote:

Mao Zedong government is generally credited with eradicating both consumption and production of opium during the 1950s using unrestrained repression and social reform. Ten million addicts were forced into compulsory treatment, dealers were executed, and opium-producing regions were planted with new crops.

They find no Soho "strip-tease" shows, no Mayfair gambling casinos, no pornographic magazines, no heroin pushers, no "pop" music. Enver Hoxha once said:

"Our young people have no need of drugs to escape from reality".

Article 104-d of the 1922 Penal Code of the RSFSR,[1] criminalising drug production, trafficking, and possession with intent to traffic. The 1924 Soviet Constitution expanded this legislation to cover the whole Soviet Union.[2] The 1926 Penal Code of the RSFSR suggested imprisonment or corrective labour for between one and three years as punishment for these offences, depending on the scale of the offence committed. Drug possession without intention to traffic and the personal use of drugs warranted no penalties at this time.

"Their ages are 17. They give them pills at night, they put hallucinatory pills in their drinks, their milk, their coffee, their Nescafe," said Gaddafi.

"They are criminals ... is it logical that you let this phenomenon continue in any city? ... We do not see what is happening in Egypt and Tunisia happening in Libya, ever!"

"You people of Zawiyah, stop your children, take their weapons, bring them away from Bin Laden, the pills will kill them,"

The illegal use, trafficking and production of drugs which reduce human beings into mental cripples do not exist in the DPRK

“There should be no doubt that drugs, including marijuana, are illegal here,” said Torkel Stiernlof, the Swedish ambassador. The United States has no diplomatic relations with the North, so Sweden’s embassy acts as a middleman when U.S. citizens run afoul of North Korean laws.

“One can’t buy it legally and it would be a criminal offense to smoke it,” Stiernlof said. He said that if a foreigner caught violating drug laws in North Korea happened to be an American citizen, he or she could “expect no leniency whatsoever.”

Socialists throughout history took a hard stance on drugs throughout history. The MKGNR follows this political line and take it to Mao levels of persecuting drug trafficking. Western leftists be seething.

"Mon Dieu!" The ambassador lets out an exacerbated cough.

Confronted with a vicious onslaught of antiquated news clippings and Wikipedia printouts, he takes a moment to compose himself.

"Mister/Madame Ambassador, please, I fail to see the point of all of this. Frankly, our delegation finds this sort of autoritaire thinking quite disagreeable."

Miku the Based wrote:Socialists throughout history took a hard stance on drugs throughout history. The MKGNR follows this political line and take it to Mao levels of persecuting drug trafficking. Western leftists be seething.

OOC:
Mysteriously, the conditions surrounding drugs and their weaponization against china/the USSR were wildly different than the situation in many other countries, and the solutions they found may not be ideal or even applicable! Plain evidence shows that prohibition and brutal crackdown helps very little, especially where use is criminalized rather than treated as a matter of public health. Marxism is a science, a developing theory; throwing quotes out in the air in denial of evidence is antimaterialist and dogmatic. I'd say you should know better, but as far as I can tell, you're a nazbol, so I really shouldn't be surprised.

Vaguely gesturing at theorists (also: enver hoxha fucking lol) does not constitute an argument. Socialists do not strive to thoughtlessly emulate prior efforts, but to learn from them, and apply that understanding to the modern, local material conditions, and to expand this understanding towards new ideas, which for whatever reason - a unexamined conservative bent, as in the USSR, or the sheer weight of history, as in China, - were not considered at the time.

New Mandoras wrote:It is my honor to present this big issue over drugs
This is a common issue, drugs harm our everyday life and our people. When these drugs are banned, we should help those addicted to drugs and remove tobacco fields with food productions (such as corn). Sure, civil rights may go down, but it is a sacrifice I hope we can make for the betterment of our people.

As far as i know, Tobacco is also used for Cigars. That means in short that would decrease the amount of smokers as well. Is this supposed to be good or bad?

Opposed - it is not the WA's business to completely outlaw the sale, purchase, distribution and consumption of coffee.

Current socialist countries still have illicit drugs and narcotics as illegal in the 21st century. How would one explain away this evidence?
The MKGNR stands firm in our resolve to rid ourselves of capitalist roaders on this issue and stands true to our unique material conditions and stand in solidarity with other socialist nations regarding craking down on international illicit drug trade.

Edit: one exception being Venezula which legalize personal use and medical use, conveniently a country that also has 2/3 of industry being privately owned. Trafficking is illegal though.

New Mandoras wrote:It is my honor to present this big issue over drugs
This is a common issue, drugs harm our everyday life and our people. When these drugs are banned, we should help those addicted to drugs and remove tobacco fields with food productions (such as corn). Sure, civil rights may go down, but it is a sacrifice I hope we can make for the betterment of our people.

No. Also, this isn't written as a law.

Yes, let’s get rid of all the tobacco fields and replace them with corn........ so we can make more alcohol!!!! WOO HOO!

Separatist Peoples wrote:

New Mandoras wrote:It is my honor to present this big issue over drugs
This is a common issue, drugs harm our everyday life and our people. When these drugs are banned, we should help those addicted to drugs and remove tobacco fields with food productions (such as corn). Sure, civil rights may go down, but it is a sacrifice I hope we can make for the betterment of our people.

"Opposed. People are welcome to poison themselves as they see fit."

IC: "The problem is that they rarely poison just themselves."

Countesia wrote:Marijuana should be completely legalised, and other drugs decriminalised so addicts go to rehab instead of prison. Dealers and smugglers should still go to prison, though.

IC: "Addicts can get rehab in prison. And without them as the buyers, there would be no dealers or smugglers."

OOC: One could easily argue that the resolution about prisoners' medical treatment already requires rehab treatment of prisoners.

Atheara wrote:As far as i know, Tobacco is also used for Cigars. That means in short that would decrease the amount of smokers as well. Is this supposed to be good or bad?

OOC: Fewer smokers = fewer cases of unnecessary cancers, so that would be good for everyone.

Araraukar wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Opposed. People are welcome to poison themselves as they see fit."

IC: "The problem is that they rarely poison just themselves."

Countesia wrote:Marijuana should be completely legalised, and other drugs decriminalised so addicts go to rehab instead of prison. Dealers and smugglers should still go to prison, though.

IC: "Addicts can get rehab in prison. And without them as the buyers, there would be no dealers or smugglers."

OOC: One could easily argue that the resolution about prisoners' medical treatment already requires rehab treatment of prisoners.

Atheara wrote:As far as i know, Tobacco is also used for Cigars. That means in short that would decrease the amount of smokers as well. Is this supposed to be good or bad?

OOC: Fewer smokers = fewer cases of unnecessary cancers, so that would be good for everyone.

The war on drugs and such was to get minorities and especially African Americans into jail. Consuming drugs is a victimless crime, murder is a victim crime. Why is America more worried about an addiction (that can easily be solved by a better healthcare and welfare system as well as more effective rehab provided by the government or private institutions which the costs are helped paid for by the government) than someone getting killed? Also while there is rehab in prison, it is not as big or as effective as other rehab centers in other prisons in different nations. Do you want more people in jail?

Garkland wrote:The war on drugs and such was to get minorities and especially African Americans into jail. Consuming drugs is a victimless crime, murder is a victim crime. Why is America more worried about an addiction (that can easily be solved by a better healthcare and welfare system as well as more effective rehab provided by the government or private institutions which the costs are helped paid for by the government) than someone getting killed? Also while there is rehab in prison, it is not as big or as effective as other rehab centers in other prisons in different nations. Do you want more people in jail?

OOC: ...I think you're on the wrong forum. This is General Assembly, an in-character roleplay forum. If you're talking about African Americans, you should likely be in General forum instead, which is an OOC place.

Even then, USA =/= the world.

EDIT: And yes I want all drug-users that in any way impose themselves or their substances on other people in jail. Unfortunately that doesn't really happen over here. Even if you were an immigrant black from USA.

Araraukar wrote:

Garkland wrote:The war on drugs and such was to get minorities and especially African Americans into jail. Consuming drugs is a victimless crime, murder is a victim crime. Why is America more worried about an addiction (that can easily be solved by a better healthcare and welfare system as well as more effective rehab provided by the government or private institutions which the costs are helped paid for by the government) than someone getting killed? Also while there is rehab in prison, it is not as big or as effective as other rehab centers in other prisons in different nations. Do you want more people in jail?

OOC: ...I think you're on the wrong forum. This is General Assembly, an in-character roleplay forum. If you're talking about African Americans, you should likely be in General forum instead, which is an OOC place.

Even then, USA =/= the world.

EDIT: And yes I want all drug-users that in any way impose themselves or their substances on other people in jail. Unfortunately that doesn't really happen over here. Even if you were an immigrant black from USA.

OOC: When the State criminalizes recreational substances, it creates a thriving black market and causes an increase in violent crime thanks to the rise of criminal organizations.