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Atheris
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Postby Atheris » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:20 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"This alone seems a reasonable basis to support this."

"Quite agreed."

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:23 pm

Atheris wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:"Quite agreed."

Wayne


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OOC: You mean... Wayne actually voting for a proposal? No way.

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:07 pm

Retired WerePenguins wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Noting that GAR #128 requires all abortion physicians to meet the same qualifications as surgeons and receive a degree of training equitable to that of surgeons, despite the vast majority of abortions not requiring any surgery,

You only noticed this recently?

OOC: I, at least, have known this for three years, give or take. That I did not attempt this repeal sooner does not mean I did not know of the target's flaws.
On the other hand, I have heard arguments that gynecologists in general lack the surgical expertise to handle complications.

HOW DOES ABORTION TAKE PLACE?
In 2017, medical abortions accounted for 39% of all abortions (AGI).
In 2018, 60% of reported abortions were accomplished by curettage (which includes dilatation and evacuation). Most curettage abortions are suction procedures (CDC).
Medical abortions made up approximately 40% of all abortions reported in 2018 (CDC).
Ninety-six per cent of the more than 140,000 second-trimester abortions that occur annually in the USA are accomplished by dilation and evacuation (D&E) (NAF).

ABORTION FATALITY
In 2017, two women were reported to have died as a result of complications from induced abortion. Between 1973-2015, a reported 447 women died due to complications from legal abortion (CDC).


Now given this, the fact that only two fatalities happened in a year might suggest that the requirement might be overkill. Of course that doesn't consider uterine perforation which could lead to the inability to have any children in the future.

But, sure, we need Sweeney Todd to perform abortions.

"You would represent yourself more intelligently to consider that physicians may be qualified to perform medical abortions but not surgical ones. I also care not for your unceremonious blathering of figures which do not concern this body. The figures of one nation across a selective time period concerning abortion do not represent the circumstances which all member states face. The target resolution would require all abortion providers to be surgically trained even if every abortion in their home nation were performed medically. These requirements are outlandish and intended solely to restrict access to reproductive care."
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:29 pm

I'll bump this for good measure. No need to submit right now instead of tomorrow.
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Postby Wyomington » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:36 pm

"Seeing that this directly contradicts two other resolutions, specifically pointing out GA#286 and GA#499, this has our full support."

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Postby South St Maarten » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:39 pm

Full support.

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Postby The Novakian Empire » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:45 pm

The World Assembly Delegation of the Imperial State of Novakia has been instructed to support this repeal. "On Abortion" seems entirely redundant in light of the multitude of other resolutions on the subject, and it realistically only serves to cause complication and make the process of procuring a legal abortion more rigorous than it already is.
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Postby New Decius » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:51 pm

The following is a transcript of the statement made by His Excellency, Erwin-Ottokar von Schneider, Her Imperial Majesties Ambassador to the World Assembly.

As I see it, GAR #128 has already covered everything necessary for the purpose of ensuring access to abortions in WA Member States, mandating the legalization under most probable circumstances. It seems your main issue here is that it includes a clause allowing the attending physician to refuse to undertake the operation if it conflicts with their personal moral beliefs. Now if that is the issue at hand then we could add a sub-clause mandating that in this scenario, the physician in question be lawfully required to refer the patient to another medical professional equally qualified to carry out the operation. I believe women deserve every right to control their bodies and abortion is one of those rights, thats not the issue here, it absolutely should be legal and accessible. However if a surgeon determines it would violate their personal beliefs, be they religious, philosophical, moral, to conduct said operation, they must be allowed to decline the patient’s request for THEM to perform. Not decline outright, just decline on their PERSONAL behalf, and refer them to an equally qualified surgeon. Therefore I would suggest that rather than repeal GA#128, you instead seek a subclause mandating that should a surgeon decline to perform the operation that they be required to refer the patient to an equally capable and qualified medical professional whom will conduct the operation.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:35 pm

New Decius wrote:The following is a transcript of the statement made by His Excellency, Erwin-Ottokar von Schneider, Her Imperial Majesties Ambassador to the World Assembly.

As I see it, GAR #128 has already covered everything necessary for the purpose of ensuring access to abortions in WA Member States, mandating the legalization under most probable circumstances. It seems your main issue here is that it includes a clause allowing the attending physician to refuse to undertake the operation if it conflicts with their personal moral beliefs. Now if that is the issue at hand then we could add a sub-clause mandating that in this scenario, the physician in question be lawfully required to refer the patient to another medical professional equally qualified to carry out the operation. I believe women deserve every right to control their bodies and abortion is one of those rights, thats not the issue here, it absolutely should be legal and accessible. However if a surgeon determines it would violate their personal beliefs, be they religious, philosophical, moral, to conduct said operation, they must be allowed to decline the patient’s request for THEM to perform. Not decline outright, just decline on their PERSONAL behalf, and refer them to an equally qualified surgeon. Therefore I would suggest that rather than repeal GA#128, you instead seek a subclause mandating that should a surgeon decline to perform the operation that they be required to refer the patient to an equally capable and qualified medical professional whom will conduct the operation.

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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:25 am

I have submitted this.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:26 am

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Postby The Atlae Isles » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:51 am

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Postby Janmute » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:10 am

"As the representative of a new WA member unaware of the author of this repeal, I headed into this draft expecting some pro-life jabber about the evil of abortion. The draft and ensuing related laws that I read, however, proved Wallenburg's point and the necessity of this repeal well and succinctly. Completely supported."
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