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[ON HOLD - see Qvait's M.D.P.B] Protecting Sapient Life II

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[ON HOLD - see Qvait's M.D.P.B] Protecting Sapient Life II

Postby Tinhampton » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:53 pm

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You will note that Death Penalty Ban allows for the death penalty for "crimes under a military penal code committed during time of war." IA has asserted that this is because support for an outright ban is "unclear." There's STILL only one way to find out...
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Protecting Sapient Life II
A resolution to improve worldwide human sapient and civil rights.
Category: Civil Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Tinhampton

Recognising that GA#535 "Death Penalty Ban," while outlawing capital punishment in most circumstances, permits its deployment under military law in some circumstances, and

Seeking to abolish capital punishment in all circumstances across the WA, for reasons that have already been stated in GA#438, GA#533 and GA#535...

The General Assembly hereby forbids the imposition of the death penalty in all cases where such has not already been prohibited by prior and standing international law.

Drafts 1 and 2
Last edited by Tinhampton on Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:40 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby Tinfect » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:56 pm

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Are you serious?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:58 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Are you serious?

OOC: I do believe that she is, in fact, serious. We never know though.

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Postby Refuge Isle » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:58 pm

I do not mean to be pedantic, but it's understanding that the numeration "II"implies that there has been a "I" :blush:
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Postby Tinfect » Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:00 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:I do not mean to be pedantic, but it's understanding that the numeration "II"implies that there has been a "I" :blush:


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It's currently at vote; it's not looking like it's going to pass at the moment, but there's two days left on the vote, so this is premature and frankly silly. It strikes of the badgering repeals of reproductive rights legislation, to be completely honest.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:02 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Are you serious?

All will be made clear in the coming days. I can confirm that politically significant concerns have been raised about the provisions of Article b which merit rectification.

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Are you serious?

OOC: I do believe that she is, in fact, serious. We never know though.

Floosh! :P

RE the ongoing conversation: The first Common Sense Act didn't pass, either.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:31 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
It's currently at vote; it's not looking like it's going to pass at the moment, but there's two days left on the vote, so this is premature and frankly silly. It strikes of the badgering repeals of reproductive rights legislation, to be completely honest.

That would be my joke, yes.

Tinhampton wrote:All will be made clear in the coming days. I can confirm that politically significant concerns have been raised about the provisions of Article b which merit rectification.

It's my personal political recommendation that you not attempt to push the existing voter fatigue on this subject even further. I fee like you have put a great deal of stock on the concept of a proposal with a single operative clause, made on the heels of a GA success on the same subject. But given that this would be the third rapid-fire proposal on the topic, I don't think even a perfectly drafted resolution would be keen to pass under the present conditions. Further work in this area should be pushed off for another day, lest an author further alienate themselves.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:43 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:All will be made clear in the coming days. I can confirm that politically significant concerns have been raised about the provisions of Article b which merit rectification.

It's my personal political recommendation that you not attempt to push the existing voter fatigue on this subject even further. I fee like you have put a great deal of stock on the concept of a proposal with a single operative clause, made on the heels of a GA success on the same subject. But given that this would be the third rapid-fire proposal on the topic, I don't think even a perfectly drafted resolution would be keen to pass under the present conditions. Further work in this area should be pushed off for another day, lest an author further alienate themselves.

My primary goal here is to see out the complete abolition of the death penalty in all member states - something that we were promised two-and-a-half years ago. Its length is immaterial, LOL.

This proposal is not urgent at this stage :P
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Postby Wayneactia » Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:09 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Are you serious?

It's Tinhampton. What do you think?

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Postby Picairn » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:51 am

Really? When the current proposal is getting more Against votes than For?

Gotta say, I respect your dedication, but the answer is No.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:40 am

This is on hold pending the result of Military Death Penalty Ban, by Qvait.
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Postby Wayneactia » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:49 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Character count: 589
Word count: 83
You will note that Death Penalty Ban allows for the death penalty for "crimes under a military penal code committed during time of war." IA has asserted that this is because support for an outright ban is "unclear." There's STILL only one way to find out...
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Protecting Sapient Life II
A resolution to improve worldwide human sapient and civil rights.
Category: Civil Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Tinhampton

Recognising that GA#535 "Death Penalty Ban," while outlawing capital punishment in most circumstances, permits its deployment under military law in some circumstances, and

Seeking to abolish capital punishment in all circumstances across the WA, for reasons that have already been stated in GA#438, GA#533 and GA#535...

The General Assembly hereby forbids the imposition of the death penalty in all cases where such has not already been prohibited by prior and standing international law.

Drafts 1 and 2


So building a house of cards within a resolution is legal now? Was there a memo I missed somewhere outlining that particular rule change?

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:50 pm

Wayneactia wrote:So building a house of cards within a resolution is legal now? Was there a memo I missed somewhere outlining that particular rule change?

Mentioning past resolutions is not a house of cards. See Safeguarding Nuclear Materials [2017] GAS 12.

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Postby Wayneactia » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:01 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:So building a house of cards within a resolution is legal now? Was there a memo I missed somewhere outlining that particular rule change?

Mentioning past resolutions is not a house of cards. See Safeguarding Nuclear Materials [2017] GAS 12.

So if those three resoultions happen to be repealed, what actual legs does this have to stand on? This?
The General Assembly hereby forbids the imposition of the death penalty in all cases where such has not already been prohibited by prior and standing international law.

I don't buy it. This is nothing more than a blocker, and when I say nothing more I mean it. It does nothing other than that.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:03 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Mentioning past resolutions is not a house of cards. See Safeguarding Nuclear Materials [2017] GAS 12.

So if those three resoultions happen to be repealed, what actual legs does this have to stand on? This?
The General Assembly hereby forbids the imposition of the death penalty in all cases where such has not already been prohibited by prior and standing international law.

I don't buy it. This is nothing more than a blocker, and when I say nothing more I mean it. It does nothing other than that.

That some resolutions have been repealed doesn't change the past or that previous resolutions stated rationales for taking certain actions. Resolution history is not inaccessible due to repeal. That the House of Cards rule does not prohibit mere reference has been well-established for four years now.
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Postby Wayneactia » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:06 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:So if those three resoultions happen to be repealed, what actual legs does this have to stand on? This?
The General Assembly hereby forbids the imposition of the death penalty in all cases where such has not already been prohibited by prior and standing international law.

I don't buy it. This is nothing more than a blocker, and when I say nothing more I mean it. It does nothing other than that.

That some resolutions have been repealed doesn't change the past or that previous resolutions stated rationales for taking certain actions. Resolution history is not inaccessible due to repeal. That the House of Cards rule does not prohibit mere reference has been well-established for four years now.

Fair enough. You still haven't answered my question though. What exactly does this accomplish, other than merely being a blocker and nothing else? There is nothing here other than "don't execute people".

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:15 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:That some resolutions have been repealed doesn't change the past or that previous resolutions stated rationales for taking certain actions. Resolution history is not inaccessible due to repeal. That the House of Cards rule does not prohibit mere reference has been well-established for four years now.

Fair enough. You still haven't answered my question though. What exactly does this accomplish, other than merely being a blocker and nothing else? There is nothing here other than "don't execute people".

How is that not a policy?

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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:48 pm

Wayneactia wrote:So if those three resoultions happen to be repealed...

GA#533 is a repeal and therefore cannot be repealed itself :P
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Postby Wayneactia » Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:53 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Fair enough. You still haven't answered my question though. What exactly does this accomplish, other than merely being a blocker and nothing else? There is nothing here other than "don't execute people".

How is that not a policy?

It is. That is not the point I am getting at though. My apologies. I will ask this a different way. As I am sort of out of the loop on the whole rule change and such, is it legal for a resolution to completely render another current resolution that is still on the books moot?

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:52 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:How is that not a policy?

It is. That is not the point I am getting at though. My apologies. I will ask this a different way. As I am sort of out of the loop on the whole rule change and such, is it legal for a resolution to completely render another current resolution that is still on the books moot?

If you mean like how On Abortion is basically moribund after the passage of Reproductive Freedoms, I don't immediately see any bar.

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