Preserve the Death Penalty (Ideas)

[Zoigai]

If anyone is interested in helping to preserve the death penalty I would be happy to hear about it.

[Zoigai]

You guys are welcome to voice your opinions here you know.

[Separatist Peoples]

You guys are welcome to voice your opinions here you know.

Ooc: one might consider that silence in response to your solicitation for aid indicates a lack of interest.

[Zoigai]

You guys are welcome to voice your opinions here you know.

Ooc: one might consider that silence in response to your solicitation for aid indicates a lack of interest.

Since I have yet to write a valid proposal draft I am simply trying to see if someone would actually want to preserve the death penalty as the vote on the current resolution shows that many people are probably for the complete abolishment of it.

[Greater Cesnica]

Ooc: one might consider that silence in response to your solicitation for aid indicates a lack of interest.

Since I have yet to write a valid proposal draft I am simply trying to see if someone would actually want to preserve the death penalty as the vote on the current resolution shows that many people are probably for the complete abolishment of it.

OOC: And it should be abolished.

[Zoigai]

Since I have yet to write a valid proposal draft I am simply trying to see if someone would actually want to preserve the death penalty as the vote on the current resolution shows that many people are probably for the complete abolishment of it.

OOC: And it should be abolished.

And why exactly do you think it should be abolished?

[Greater Cesnica]

OOC: And it should be abolished.

And why exactly do you think it should be abolished?

OOC: The ultimate reason: you could kill an innocent person. But here are some others.

Imperium Anglorum's reasons
Tinhampton's, Pope Saint Peter the Apostle's, and my reasons
Amnesty International's reasons

[Refuge Isle]

If your goal is to do some kind of odd case study, I would recommend just searching for content on you own time.

Such content can be found in the World Assembly Affairs departments of major regions, such as The North Pacific, The Rejected Realms, The South Pacific, etc. There's a debate thread in XKI that I voiced my own opinions in.

You can also conduct an RMB search or look at the dispatch page, which contains Information For Voters dispatches from a variety of sources such as The Communist Bloc and Europeia.

There are endless resources for you to find out what people think and want which are more complete than hoping people will post in this thread at random.

[Zoigai]

If your goal is to do some kind of odd case study, I would recommend just searching for content on you own time.

Such content can be found in the World Assembly Affairs departments of major regions, such as The North Pacific, The Rejected Realms, The South Pacific, etc. There's a debate thread in XKI that I voiced my own opinions in.

You can also conduct an RMB search or look at the dispatch page, which contains Information For Voters dispatches from a variety of sources such as The Communist Bloc and Europeia.

There are endless resources for you to find out what people think and want which are more complete than hoping people will post in this thread at random.

Its not really supposed to be a study but it seems that its become that... I originally planned on some people giving their ideas on how to repeal the next resolution coming into vote because if that resolution wins then the death penalty is completely abolished.

[Greater Cesnica]

because if that resolution wins then the death penalty is completely abolished.

Wonderful!

[Zoigai]

because if that resolution wins then the death penalty is completely abolished.

Wonderful!

No not wonderful not everyone has the time on letting War criminals free and giving every single person a life sentence for a heinous crime nor the jail space...

[Greater Cesnica]

Wonderful!

No not wonderful not everyone has the time on letting War criminals free and giving every single person a life sentence for a heinous crime nor the jail space...

And what about executing innocents?

[Imperium Anglorum]

If you want to create a repeal arguing that Death Penalty Ban requires you to set war criminals free, that is an honest mistake.

[Zoigai]

No not wonderful not everyone has the time on letting War criminals free and giving every single person a life sentence for a heinous crime nor the jail space...

And what about executing innocents?

You cant execute an innocent if you know where the accused was during the time of the crime.

[Straona]

No not wonderful not everyone has the time on letting War criminals free and giving every single person a life sentence for a heinous crime nor the jail space...

And what about executing innocents?

You can kill an “innocent” if they committed one of the most heinous crimes possible. At that point they are not innocent. If you commit a crime you are no longer innocent. Not everyone is going to reform themselves after prison. They will just go right back to what they were doing before. Dictators who commit heinous war crimes and soldiers who follow their orders without question do not deserve to sit comfortably in prison. I am sick of the WA governing all nations on policy just because some of them find the justifiable murder of a WAR criminal as wrong even though there’s no proof that they will reform.

[Greater Cesnica]

And what about executing innocents?

You can kill an “innocent” if they committed one of the most heinous crimes possible. At that point they are not innocent. If you commit a crime you are no longer innocent. Not everyone is going to reform themselves after prison. They will just go right back to what they were doing before. Dictators who commit heinous war crimes and soldiers who follow their orders without question do not deserve to sit comfortably in prison. I am sick of the WA governing all nations on policy just because some of them find the justifiable murder of a WAR criminal as wrong even though there’s no proof that they will reform.

You misunderstood. People can be falsely accused and executed, while the real perpetrators go unpunished.

And what about executing innocents?

You cant execute an innocent if you know where the accused was during the time of the crime.

And yet it happens all the time.

[Zoigai]

You can kill an “innocent” if they committed one of the most heinous crimes possible. At that point they are not innocent. If you commit a crime you are no longer innocent. Not everyone is going to reform themselves after prison. They will just go right back to what they were doing before. Dictators who commit heinous war crimes and soldiers who follow their orders without question do not deserve to sit comfortably in prison. I am sick of the WA governing all nations on policy just because some of them find the justifiable murder of a WAR criminal as wrong even though there’s no proof that they will reform.

You misunderstood. People can be falsely accused and executed, while the real perpetrators go unpunished.

You cant execute an innocent if you know where the accused was during the time of the crime.

And yet it happens all the time.

Which is why There is surveillance

[Refuge Isle]

You misunderstood. People can be falsely accused and executed, while the real perpetrators go unpunished.


And yet it happens all the time.

Which is why There is surveillance

Naturally the solution to unjust state-sanctioned murder is to create a complete surveillance state, indeed such a thing can cause no harm.

I think this topic has likely gone as far as it productively can. If you have a draft to submit, submit a draft. But we're going down the road to NSG real fast.

[Zoigai]

The General Assembly,

All Member nations should be allowed to retain the free will to use the death penalty as needed. This Resolution is to preserve the death penalty from future laws that may attempt its abolishment along with preserving the right for free public service and other punishments.

1. All nations are allowed to use the death penalty for heinous actions if they choose to, They also will retain the right to use Torture as an effective means of gathering intel

A. Criminals who have committed Heinous crimes like Murder, Rape, Political Terrorism, Geopolitical Terrorism are allowed to be subject to capital punishment or a life sentence, This also allows for anyone guilty of war crimes to be subject to execution.

B. Any member nation will retain the right to allow smaller prison systems sell off Dangerous criminals and or war criminals off to more secure facilities in order to fund their operation.

C. Anyone who is convicted for working at a terrorist organization and refuses to comply will be subject to Torture if the government of a member nation allows it.

2.A nation can decide weather to pay a felon for his/her labor or not.

A. Anyone who commits a felony and is apprehended by the law may be subject to whatever form of labor the goverment of a member nation deems nesscacary.

B. A member nation is allowed to issue an annual salary for felons as they please and also issue an income tax for felons if decided

[Imperium Anglorum]

Illegal. Contradicts GA 9.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Illegal. Contradicts GA 9.

As well as #23, depending on what exactly is meant by "sell off prisoners."

[Alfonzo]

"Why should we preserve the death penalty? It's a human rights violation plaguing the world."

[Zoigai]

"Why should we preserve the death penalty? It's a human rights violation plaguing the world."

Mainly because its a punishment that still serves humanity today.

[Imperium Anglorum]

"Why should we preserve the death penalty? It's a human rights violation plaguing the world."

Mainly because its a punishment that still serves humanity today.

How does it serve humanity? Simply asserting that it does is woefully unconvincing. If I just said 'it does not serve humanity today' would you suddenly abandon this draft and swap over to my abolitionist position? You need to give warrants as to why your claim is true. Is it just? Does it rehabilitate anyone? Does it deter anyone? Does it incapacitate anyone anymore than the alternatives? Does it save any money relative to the alternatives?

[Zoigai]

Mainly because its a punishment that still serves humanity today.

How does it serve humanity? Simply asserting that it does is woefully unconvincing. If I just said 'it does not serve humanity today' would you suddenly abandon this draft and swap over to my abolitionist position? You need to give warrants as to why your claim is true. Is it just? Does it rehabilitate anyone? Does it deter anyone? Does it incapacitate anyone anymore than the alternatives? Does it save any money relative to the alternatives?

1. By getting rid of Dangerous criminals who cant be rehabilitated or bound in prisons
2. No
3.That is the main purpose
4.Yes
5. It saves much more money