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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:13 am
by Neymarland
Congrats to getting your proposal through. I, Ambassador M'bappe, propose a toast, in honor of this great proposal and it's author!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:16 am
by The New California Republic
Congrats.

*Watches tho as the inevitable flurry of poorly-written repeals emerges over the coming days*

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:27 am
by Arclandia
If the languaging in the original death penalty ban was not comprehensive enough, it shouldn't have been voted into place. We would propose a repeal of the original legislation and a resubmission with this included. We shouldn't need to process two individual and consecutive bills like this as it is procedurally subpar.

death penalty ban

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:48 am
by Som Lametnughstan
the nation of som lametnughstan refuses to comply with this ban

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:49 am
by Greater Cesnica
Som Lametnughstan wrote:the nation of som lametnughstan refuses to comply with this ban

"Then your nation shall be sanctioned to oblivion, or it shall leave the World Assembly."

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:52 am
by The New California Republic
Som Lametnughstan wrote:the nation of som lametnughstan refuses to comply with this ban

If you are going to RP that then you should probably RP your nation getting economically annihilated by punitive WA sanctions for noncompliance as well, like what happens with member nations that don't obey the WA-mandated allowance of abortions and the like.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:53 am
by Untecna
The New California Republic wrote:
Som Lametnughstan wrote:the nation of som lametnughstan refuses to comply with this ban

If you are going to RP that then you should probably RP your nation getting economically annihilated by punitive WA sanctions for noncompliance as well, like what happens with member nations that don't obey the WA-mandated allowance of abortions and the like.

we all know that's not happening

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:09 pm
by Ionida
Imperium Anglorum wrote:
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Death Penalty Ban
Human Rights: Significant



The World Assembly,

Recognising that there is no convincing and statistically robust evidence that the death penalty deters crime,

Hoping to spend money currently dedicated to the substantial administrative and legal costs of pursuing death penalties on enforcement or rehabilitation programmes which actually do reduce crime,

Gravely concerned that even under stringent protocols death penalties are issued against people who are actually innocent of the crimes for which they are to be punished, and

Believing that the death penalty in its application and pursuit targets the mentally ill, socio-economically disadvantaged, and members of racial and cultural minorities, even when administered under facially neutral statutes, hereby enacts the following:

  1. The death penalty is abolished except for crimes under a military penal code committed during time of war.

  2. All sentences contravening section 1 must be commuted forthwith under procedures not inconsistent with World Assembly law.

  3. Member nations collectively may further restrict the use of or abolish the death penalty, section 1 notwithstanding.

Co-authored by Cretox State.


Does this Resolution not conflict with GA Resolution 487 section 2C, where it is stated that the state is allowed to administer the death penalty?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:20 pm
by The New California Republic
Ionida wrote:Does this Resolution not conflict with GA Resolution 487 section 2C, where it is stated that the state is allowed to administer the death penalty?

It doesn't state that at all.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:47 pm
by Ionida
The New California Republic wrote:
Ionida wrote:Does this Resolution not conflict with GA Resolution 487 section 2C, where it is stated that the state is allowed to administer the death penalty?

It doesn't state that at all.

Still, the clause shouldn't exist at all even if it doesn't conflict since a Resolution has been passed making the point of capital punishment via lethal injection moot.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:07 pm
by Separatist Peoples
Ionida wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It doesn't state that at all.

Still, the clause shouldn't exist at all even if it doesn't conflict since a Resolution has been passed making the point of capital punishment via lethal injection moot.

OOC: Then repeal it. There is no conflict between the resolutions or the rules.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:08 pm
by The New California Republic
Ionida wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It doesn't state that at all.

Still, the clause shouldn't exist at all even if it doesn't conflict since a Resolution has been passed making the point of capital punishment via lethal injection moot.

It's immaterial, it supersedes it without contradiction. Pointing it out is just quibbling over minutiae of no consequence.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:18 pm
by The Candy Of Bottles
Here's to a rapid repeal with no replacement. We all know this only passed because of an early stomp in favor, followed by the lemming effect.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:21 pm
by Silvedania
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:Here's to a rapid repeal with no replacement. We all know this only passed because of an early stomp in favor, followed by the lemming effect.

I mean, everyone who voted for it is going to vote against the repeal so you might as well wait a while until you can guarantee that the repeal will pass.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:22 pm
by Neymarland
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:Here's to a rapid repeal with no replacement. We all know this only passed because of an early stomp in favor, followed by the lemming effect.

Well, I must not be knowing something.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:04 pm
by The Candy Of Bottles
Silvedania wrote:
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:Here's to a rapid repeal with no replacement. We all know this only passed because of an early stomp in favor, followed by the lemming effect.

I mean, everyone who voted for it is going to vote against the repeal so you might as well wait a while until you can guarantee that the repeal will pass.

Neymarland wrote:
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:Here's to a rapid repeal with no replacement. We all know this only passed because of an early stomp in favor, followed by the lemming effect.

Well, I must not be knowing something.

Well, considering more then half the early votes came from just 10 major delegates, all in favor, and many people simply vote for whichever side is winning while violating GA 122... :roll:

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:05 pm
by Neymarland
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:
Silvedania wrote:I mean, everyone who voted for it is going to vote against the repeal so you might as well wait a while until you can guarantee that the repeal will pass.

Neymarland wrote:Well, I must not be knowing something.

Well, considering more then half the early votes came from just 10 major delegates, all in favor...

NAY!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:07 pm
by The Candy Of Bottles
Neymarland wrote:
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:
Well, considering more then half the early votes came from just 10 major delegates, all in favor...

NAY!

Aye, I looked at the delegate vote view in the first day.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:10 pm
by Neymarland
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:
Neymarland wrote:NAY!

Aye, I looked at the delegate vote view in the first day.

Well, good for you. It's not gonna pass. Still same vote numbers, still same outcome. But, if you want to have your repeal struck down by the voting power of the WA, be my guest.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:16 pm
by The Candy Of Bottles
Neymarland wrote:
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:Aye, I looked at the delegate vote view in the first day.

Well, good for you. It's not gonna pass. Still same vote numbers, still same outcome. But, if you want to have your repeal struck down by the voting power of the WA, be my guest.


OOC: Founded January 12 of this year? Clearly you are unfamiliar with the tendency of this assembly to perform so called instarepeals, and the lemming effect. And given there are already two repeals drafted, I'm not going to bother with one of my own.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:57 pm
by Neymarland
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:
Neymarland wrote:Well, good for you. It's not gonna pass. Still same vote numbers, still same outcome. But, if you want to have your repeal struck down by the voting power of the WA, be my guest.


OOC: Founded January 12 of this year? Clearly you are unfamiliar with the tendency of this assembly to perform so called instarepeals, and the lemming effect. And given there are already two repeals drafted, I'm not going to bother with one of my own.

"I see that, Ambassador. I'm not blind."

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:41 am
by Nepleslia
The passage of overreaching, authoritarian, and national sovereignty-shredding proposals like this one are precisely the reason the World Assembly membership has been on a steady decline and noncompliance has been on the rise. Congrats, or something.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:50 am
by Silvedania
Nepleslia wrote:Overreaching, authoritarian, and national sovereignty-shredding proposals like this one are precisely the reason the World Assembly membership has been on a steady decline and noncompliance has been on the rise. Congrats, or something.

The WA makes proposals and resolutions that member states follow. Obviously, national sovereignty is not a principle of the WA. All of the GA proposals mess with national sovereignty because all of them have an operative clause.

Repeal the Ultimatum of Death Penalty Ban

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:49 am
by Hellenic Exusia
"ATTENTION: THIS POST NO LONGER REPRESENTS THE VOICE OF THE HELLENIC EXUSIAN COUNCIL!!"

Opposed.

The Imperial council of Hellenic Exusia shall not remove and reform any penal laws since are part of the constitution of His majesty's people Empire of Hellenes. This unorthodox decision only brings chaos to our well regulated socioeconomic system. Additionally this decision directly intercepts and even violates the sovereignty as well as dismissing the internal devices of all nations participating to this glorious World Assembly.
Never the less we openly declare that Judgement will in other ways find those individuals if a preposterous law like this passes, this "BAN" will just be an inconvenience for the masterful machine that is our government. A law so absolute such as this will bring division amongst our Assembly, not justice.

The Imperial council hereby disproves greatly and stand against intervention to matters essential such as this to the sovereignty of a nation. The Empire of Hellenic Exusia calls for a repeal in defense of its national interests & sovereignty as a member of this World Assebly.
"ATTENTION: THIS POST NO LONGER REPRESENTS THE VOICE OF THE HELLENIC EXUSIAN COUNCIL!!"

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:58 am
by Neymarland
Hellenic Exusia wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:
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Death Penalty Ban
Human Rights: Significant



The World Assembly,

Recognising that there is no convincing and statistically robust evidence that the death penalty deters crime,

Hoping to spend money currently dedicated to the substantial administrative and legal costs of pursuing death penalties on enforcement or rehabilitation programmes which actually do reduce crime,

Gravely concerned that even under stringent protocols death penalties are issued against people who are actually innocent of the crimes for which they are to be punished, and

Believing that the death penalty in its application and pursuit targets the mentally ill, socio-economically disadvantaged, and members of racial and cultural minorities, even when administered under facially neutral statutes, hereby enacts the following:

  1. The death penalty is abolished except for crimes under a military penal code committed during time of war.

  2. All sentences contravening section 1 must be commuted forthwith under procedures not inconsistent with World Assembly law.

  3. Member nations collectively may further restrict the use of or abolish the death penalty, section 1 notwithstanding.

Co-authored by Cretox State.


Opposed.

The Imperial council of Hellenic Exusia shall not remove and reform any penal laws since are part of the constitution of His majesty's people Empire of Hellenes. This unorthodox decision only brings chaos to our well regulated socioeconomic system. Additionally this decision directly intercepts and even violates the sovereignty as well as dismissing the internal devices of all nations participating to this glorious World Assembly.
Never the less we openly declare that Judgement will in other ways find those individuals if a preposterous law like this passes, this "BAN" will just be an inconvenience for the masterful machine that is our government. A law so absolute such as this will bring division amongst our Assembly, not justice.

The Imperial council hereby disproves greatly and stand against intervention to matters essential such as this to the sovereignty of a nation. The Empire of Hellenic Exusia calls for a repeal in defense of its national interests & sovereignty as a member of this World Assebly.

OOC: This is passed. Go to the topic at vote.