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Postby Picairn » Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:44 pm

Neymarland wrote:So, to all of you who say the state has the sovereign right to mass murder anyone they choose, WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE?

"Last time I checked, war is still legal in this Assembly, and it is one of the most powerful instruments of mass murder. So can I expect you to unilaterally ban war in the next resolution?"

Terry slaps the table and laughs.

"On a more serious note, the reason the state holds the monopoly of violence is because without the state to enforce laws, humans would turn on each other. Then the strong survive and the weak suffer. I certainly don't want to witness such a future."
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Postby United States of Americanas » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:08 pm

A reluctant yes out of me. Wish that nations had the right to decide what to do with people found in a military situation. Section 1 basically allows nations to kill soldiers who may have underlying socioeconomic or racial factors as to why they may have breached military law etc. the more freedoms delegated to a nation the better. Yes it is nice for nations to have the death penalty for treason and matters of confirmed military guilt but let’s say some guy deserts his post and steals a car to get away from a war zone with racial killings active. The man acted to save himself by taking the car, he cannot be put to death. But in one nation because section one allows it that man could be put to the sword.

Section one shouldn’t exist. Either the death penalty is gone for everyone or it’s still there. This isn’t a real death penalty ban if it gives a green light to kill members of the military for things that a civilian would be spared. This in and of its self creates fabricated inequity in society.

I do request that it be amended in the future. No one should be put to death in a scheduled process. If a person is such a danger to the nation they must be killed then to do so must be done in process of a combative situation.
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Postby Otaku Stratus » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:12 pm

Well, that's... overt.
See you guys at the repeal I guess.

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Postby Westinor » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:15 pm

TNP’s delegate has voted for this resolution and our Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends that voters do the same. Our recommendation can be found in this dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1495251
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Postby San Finn » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:28 pm

Picairn wrote:
Neymarland wrote:So, to all of you who say the state has the sovereign right to mass murder anyone they choose, WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE?

"Last time I checked, war is still legal in this Assembly, and it is one of the most powerful instruments of mass murder. So can I expect you to unilaterally ban war in the next resolution?"

Terry slaps the table and laughs.

"On a more serious note, the reason the state holds the monopoly of violence is because without the state to enforce laws, humans would turn on each other. Then the strong survive and the weak suffer. I certainly don't want to witness such a future."

"Is war your wish, do you view all humans are violent beings" argues Finn, "the state currently holds the monopoly on violence, this is true, but the proposed law in no way suggests that the state would no longer enforce laws, simply not give the ultimate punishment. The stance that you are taking to combine the laws of the state with violence is a radical one, and laws are in place to keep peace, and incite violence". He finishes the statement with a descisve pound on the table

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Postby Scalizagasti » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:47 pm

The United Regions Alliance recommends voting against the resolution. After our internal voting, 2 regions voted in favour, 11 regions voted in opposition, and 1 region abstained. More details are included in the dispatch below.

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Postby Vostokian Union » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:05 pm

Psychopaths have no solution. They cannot be reintegrated into society because they are antisocial beings and therefore the only solution for them is death or a life sentence depending on the seriousness of the crime. That is why I am against the resolution.
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Postby Reunited Rome » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:12 am

I will vote against.
Like, what the hell? This shouldn't be even in the voting floor.
I bet it was approved just because a delegate wrote it.

This proposal also bans a game mechanic which is a POLICY. A policy.
This breaks GA rules.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:58 am

Slavery is a policy but it is banned. Enforced heterosexualality is a policy but that's banned. Eternal marriage is a policy but that's banned. Abortion bans are a policy but that's banned (see eg GA 499). Human sacrifice is a policy but that's banned. Child labour is a policy but that's banned. No emigration is a policy but that's banned. Thank you, this has been my TED talk, next.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:32 am

Reunited Rome wrote:I will vote against.
Like, what the hell? This shouldn't be even in the voting floor.
I bet it was approved just because a delegate wrote it.

This proposal also bans a game mechanic which is a POLICY. A policy.
This breaks GA rules.

No, it doesn't. It has already been deemed legal, and I trust GenSec's judgment over yours.
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Postby Galaician Empire » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:52 am

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As we respect our history, we believe that the Galaician people reserve the right to determine when to cannibalize their rulers and thus, after much debate, the dukes have voted against supporting this resolution.

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Postby Free Las Pinas » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:54 am

Full support for this. On second thought, I’m abstaining. I’d much prefer a full ban, but wouldn’t mind this passing considering it allows for legislation for further restriction anyhow.

Reunited Rome wrote:I will vote against.
Like, what the hell? This shouldn't be even in the voting floor.
I bet it was approved just because a delegate wrote it.

This proposal also bans a game mechanic which is a POLICY. A policy.
This breaks GA rules.

GA legislation doesn’t affect policies. This was mentioned earlier in this thread, too, I believe.
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Postby Tineman » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:54 am

I fully oppose this,why?
I thing the Man who raped a girl or women he should be sentenced to death penalty.why the heck?
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Postby Hverland » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:41 am

"Distinguished ambassadors, while the Government of Hverland opposes this measure, it appreciates that this divisive issue is being brought to the floor for discussion and debate. Similar to the issue of abortion, we note that both sides have very firmly held beliefs that should be acknowledged. The Government of Hverland affirms its obligation to implement the democratic mandate of the World Assembly, however the vote may go."

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Postby And Spaces » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:02 am

I am for this resolution.
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Postby Tlazohchitl » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:01 am

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Postby Kissassia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:09 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Kissassia wrote:Kissassia will never support a full ban of the death penalty in criminal court...

Except this isn't :P


Unless you are referencing Section 2, which could allow for some instances of capital punishment depending on how it is interpreted, this statute bans the death penalty except in enforcing a military penal code, which in Kissassia is done through the military court which is separate from the criminal court.

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Postby Neymarland » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:06 pm

Kissassia wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Except this isn't :P


Unless you are referencing Section 2, which could allow for some instances of capital punishment depending on how it is interpreted, this statute bans the death penalty except in enforcing a military penal code, which in Kissassia is done through the military court which is separate from the criminal court.

But it still isn't.
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Postby Enjuku » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:17 pm

Enjuku's delegation commends this resolution as an avid opponent of the death penalty, and happily logs its vote in favor.

We are proud the rest of the world is catching up with Enjuku on this important issue.
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Postby Uponda » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:44 pm

Uponda simply condemns this resolution. Such stuff should be left for the leaders to decide whether or not they want to ban the death penalty. A ban on Death Penalty means a ban on some cultures and religions. Religions such as Islam have the punishment of death for serious crimes like murder, and we ought to keep that up. If you take someone's precious life, then you shouldn't deserve yours.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:05 pm

Uponda wrote:Uponda simply condemns this resolution. Such stuff should be left for the leaders to decide whether or not they want to ban the death penalty. A ban on Death Penalty means a ban on some cultures and religions. Religions such as Islam have the punishment of death for serious crimes like murder, and we ought to keep that up. If you take someone's precious life, then you shouldn't deserve yours.

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Postby Bongrovia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:39 pm

"As a member of this Assembly and a man of my faith and beliefs, I simply cannot support this resolution. While I believe that the human race shall not play the hand of God, such decisions should be left for the individual member states to make for themselves. However, I will not take a similar stance to many of my fellow leaders by fully condemning this resolution; the proposing nation has full freedom to make such a proposal."
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Postby Portolavia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:36 pm

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Postby Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:03 am

A steel-haired woman in a powder-blue military uniform stands to address the hall.

'The Death Penalty was a mistake that the People's Republic engaged in for decades after the revolution. A relic from the era of Kings and Tsars, a scar on our society, and a festering psychic wound upon the People and their Government.

'Its abolition was not a simple thing to accomplish. Neither were the reforms against punitive justice. But they were the correct thing to do. State-sanctioned murder is a tremendous moral evil, and the perversion of everything a Government should seek to be.

'The exception for military tribunals is an understandable, though deeply regrettable one. With the caveat of objecting to its inclusion, I am both instructed and glad to cast the vote of the People's Republic FOR this resolution.'

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