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Postby Boston Castle » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:27 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
any costs incurred by the land owner or member government for the site, such as markers for educational purposes and conservation measures for flora and fauna

'Any costs' are not the same thing as the example descriptors. Examples of that sort are not generally viewed as exclusive. Under RNT, a nation seeking free things also would not interpret them to be exclusive, and it would be likely that such a view would win out in the end.

So what would you prefer then? Something like "all"?

[I agree with Uan aa Boa's point about there needing to be incentives-I think this is the best possible idea for them unless you have some other incentive scheme idea. So I'm curious what language you would prefer.]
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:21 pm

I'd prefer an enumerated set of things which the committee could throw money at.

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Postby Boston Castle » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:38 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:I'd prefer an enumerated set of things which the committee could throw money at.

It's not a large list, the IDSP's guidelines don't require much, but they do cover the main things that the IDSP mentions in terms of funding: educational "things" (they refer to events, I think that's silly in this context) and lighting upgrades. Also added some partial scientific research reimbursement due to even mentioning the conservation thing.
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Postby Bananaistan » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:51 pm

Uan aa Boa wrote:This still doesn't do anything. A government or landowner can get a site designated as a preserve if it meets certain conditions. Then it gets put on a list of such sites. There's a conservation plan for the site. Later, it can be removed from that list if the government or landowner wants.

There should be some incentive for creating a preserve. Perhaps funding or some kind of professional support for conservation measures or for education or astronomy?

Also, I assume you mean to allow ASTRO to remove a site's designation if the landowner decides to pave it over and cover it in floodlighting, but you haven't actually said that.


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Postby Boston Castle » Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:00 pm

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I'd be more than happy to include a funding mechanism for it, but not sure that wouldn't fall afoul of certain other resolutions.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:41 pm

This proposal is entirely optional and consists entirely of committee. I'm sure you are aware proposals are meant to have some effect on member states outside of paperwork, in this case elective paperwork.

As far as the policies of these preserves go, why on earth are custodians and site staff for these preserves tasked with becoming park rangers as well? That is entirely out of step with the subject of this proposal. In fact, while you've listed this as an Environmental proposal, this clause is the only one that has anything remotely to do with the environment. The rest is some vague mish-mash of a scientific mission and property maintenance. I'm not sure this fits in any category.
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Postby Bananaistan » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:12 pm

Boston Castle wrote:[hits something]
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I'd be more than happy to include a funding mechanism for it, but not sure that wouldn't fall afoul of certain other resolutions.


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Postby Boston Castle » Mon May 03, 2021 9:18 pm

Going to put this on hold for now. Just need to think through some things and not exactly sure when it will all work out in my head. So....on hold for now. Might probably/will maybe revisit this at some point in the future.
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