[Draft] International Emergency Phone Line

[Greater Cesnica]

Draft has been re-written fully; Tinhampton has signed up as a co-author.

[Separatist Peoples]

"This changes no prior concerns."

[Honeydewistania]

"What's the need for this that calling current emergency services does not achieve? Also, are non-WA member nations/people allowed to call 112?"

[Greater Cesnica]

"What's the need for this that calling current emergency services does not achieve? Also, are non-WA member nations/people allowed to call 112?"

"Well, the current emergency services are not replaced; rather a redirect number is established for those who don't know how to reach the local emergency services with their local number. So, a uniform standard is created, so that visitors who do not know or for some inexplicable reason cannot reach the local emergency services can by calling 112. Furthermore, this resolution is intended to aid all visitors to a WA member state, irrespective of whether their country of origin is a member of the WA."

[Honeydewistania]

"What's the need for this that calling current emergency services does not achieve? Also, are non-WA member nations/people allowed to call 112?"

"Well, the current emergency services are not replaced; rather a redirect number is established for those who don't know how to reach the local emergency services with their local number. So, a uniform standard is created, so that visitors who do not know or for some inexplicable reason cannot reach the local emergency services can by calling 112. Furthermore, this resolution is intended to aid all visitors to a WA member state, irrespective of whether their country of origin is a member of the WA."

"Why not just mandate that all travellers are provided with relevant and useful emergency information, especially the emergency hotline? I do not really see a situation where someone would be able to use 112 but not the local emergency number."

[Wallenburg]

"I am confused at the choice of address. What special significance is there to vozdeli over any other number? What is the use of a number at all? Would it not be easier for citizens to dial 'E' for emergency? A one-size-fits-none contact number is nonsense, much less one that seems to be more informed by your own nation's culture than anything else. Member states can get along fine by designating their own emergency numbers."

[Greater Cesnica]

"Well, the current emergency services are not replaced; rather a redirect number is established for those who don't know how to reach the local emergency services with their local number. So, a uniform standard is created, so that visitors who do not know or for some inexplicable reason cannot reach the local emergency services can by calling 112. Furthermore, this resolution is intended to aid all visitors to a WA member state, irrespective of whether their country of origin is a member of the WA."

"Why not just mandate that all travellers are provided with relevant and useful emergency information, especially the emergency hotline? I do not really see a situation where someone would be able to use 112 but not the local emergency number."

"The resolution ensures that those who do not know the local emergency number are able to reach the emergency services via dialing 112. As for mandating relevant and useful emergency information being provided, this resolution acts as a fail-safe in the event that said information, which is provided by most nations within this Assembly to travelers, is either not recalled, is missed, or is otherwise unavailable to a traveler in the event of an emergency."

[Greater Cesnica]

"I am confused at the choice of address. What special significance is there to vozdeli over any other number? What is the use of a number at all? Would it not be easier for citizens to dial 'E' for emergency? A one-size-fits-none contact number is nonsense, much less one that seems to be more informed by your own nation's culture than anything else. Member states can get along fine by designating their own emergency numbers."

"On the contrary, many telephone dialpads do not have the option to dial 'E' whatsoever. The use of a number is so that if travelers are caught in an emergency and are unfamiliar with the local emergency telephone number, then they can dial 112 and be forwarded to an extant emergency response line."

[Wallenburg]

"I am confused at the choice of address. What special significance is there to vozdeli over any other number? What is the use of a number at all? Would it not be easier for citizens to dial 'E' for emergency? A one-size-fits-none contact number is nonsense, much less one that seems to be more informed by your own nation's culture than anything else. Member states can get along fine by designating their own emergency numbers."

"On the contrary, many telephone dialpads do not have the option to dial 'E' whatsoever.

"That's not my point. My point is that this proposal stands in the way of something that is objectively better for any given member state. Nations which have such options--and quite frankly I struggle to imagine why any nation would not--can use them to much greater effect than some number plucked from thin air."

The use of a number is so that if travelers are caught in an emergency and are unfamiliar with the local emergency telephone number, then they can dial 112 and be forwarded to an extant emergency response line."

"You still have not explained why vozdeli is any more memorable than other, more regionally relevant numbers. Why not vozdeli-pot? Or how about vozdeli-nepe? If it's all the same to you, I think Mosteli-most would be far more memorable to those individuals both residing in and visiting Wallenburg. The micromanagement of these mandates simply exceeds any reasonable case for international interest."

[Imperium Anglorum]

Have your other aliases.

[Greater Cesnica]

I have changed the forwarding number to "999".

[Separatist Peoples]

"On the contrary, many telephone dialpads do not have the option to dial 'E' whatsoever.

"That's not my point. My point is that this proposal stands in the way of something that is objectively better for any given member state. Nations which have such options--and quite frankly I struggle to imagine why any nation would not--can use them to much greater effect than some number plucked from thin air."

The use of a number is so that if travelers are caught in an emergency and are unfamiliar with the local emergency telephone number, then they can dial 112 and be forwarded to an extant emergency response line."

"You still have not explained why vozdeli is any more memorable than other, more regionally relevant numbers. Why not vozdeli-pot? Or how about vozdeli-nepe? If it's all the same to you, I think Mosteli-most would be far more memorable to those individuals both residing in and visiting Wallenburg. The micromanagement of these mandates simply exceeds any reasonable case for international interest."

"C.D.S.P. phones have a direct emergency dispatch button built in. I'm not sure why all jurisdictions don't have this."

[Attempted Socialism]

I'll be blunt and state my apathy to legislating on this topic in general, except I don't see how this is international security. Are military and/or police budgets increased? Or is it more about access to societal safety features? I also think the preamble leads more in a general, equal, access to emergency services direction. I'd like an explanation for why you chose international security, and whether you considered social justice or legal reform: safety (Though I think all three are stretches, IS is the most stretched IMO).

[Greater Cesnica]

I'll be blunt and state my apathy to legislating on this topic in general, except I don't see how this is international security. Are military and/or police budgets increased? Or is it more about access to societal safety features? I also think the preamble leads more in a general, equal, access to emergency services direction. I'd like an explanation for why you chose international security, and whether you considered social justice or legal reform: safety (Though I think all three are stretches, IS is the most stretched IMO).

Per this ruling: viewtopic.php?p=28207797#p28207797

[Araraukar]

"On the contrary, many telephone dialpads do not have the option to dial 'E' whatsoever."

OOC: You must be young, if you never had a landline or mobile phone with letters on the number keys. "E" is the same as "33". Or just pressing the number 3, if the system knows what you mean from a single keypress.

IC: "I agree with the Wallenburgian on the randomly chosen number. Why not 000 like Araraukar has? It's easy to remember and you have to only press one key to type it."

[Greater Cesnica]

"On the contrary, many telephone dialpads do not have the option to dial 'E' whatsoever."

OOC: You must be young, if you never had a landline or mobile phone with letters on the number keys. "E" is the same as "33". Or just pressing the number 3, if the system knows what you mean from a single keypress.

IC: "I agree with the Wallenburgian on the randomly chosen number. Why not 000 like Araraukar has? It's easy to remember and you have to only press one key to type it."

IC: "We have changed the number to '999', which I'm sure you would agree is quite easy to remember."
OOC: I was trying to refer to A: some dialpads having a letterpad, others not, some people not knowing how to dial letters using a conventional numberpad, etc. etc. Sorry for the confusion with my wording there.

[Wallenburg]

I have changed the forwarding number to "999".

"Well, that's just absurd. By the time you've turned the phone dial all the way around for each digit you'd have spent less time getting an operator to put you through to the emergency line."

[Greater Cesnica]

I have changed the forwarding number to "999".

"Well, that's just absurd. By the time you've turned the phone dial all the way around for each digit you'd have spent less time getting an operator to put you through to the emergency line."

"How about '000', Ambassador?"

[Wallenburg]

"Well, that's just absurd. By the time you've turned the phone dial all the way around for each digit you'd have spent less time getting an operator to put you through to the emergency line."

"How about '000', Ambassador?"

"That would do for most phones, except the ones which go up to 0 instead of starting at it."

[Bananaistan]

I have changed the forwarding number to "999".

"Well, that's just absurd. By the time you've turned the phone dial all the way around for each digit you'd have spent less time getting an operator to put you through to the emergency line."

"I must disagree. At most two or three few seconds more dialling cannot possibly take longer than speaking to an operator."

[Araraukar]

"How about '000', Ambassador?"

"That would do for most phones, except the ones which go up to 0 instead of starting at it."

IC: "I don't think the author is familiar with rotary phones and has no idea what you're talking about," Linda pointed out. "Araraukarian phones actually used to start from zero back in rotary era but too many false calls were made by kids playing with the phones, and then they were made to start from one. These days the vast majority of population has mobile phones and all but a few diehard fans of the rotary phones, have moved to ones with a numpad."

OOC: The author still hasn't answered how any of this would be less arduous than providing everyone at border check with the general info needed to, you know, visit a foreign nation? Like what side of the road to drive, what colour light means "go", and what number to call if you get in trouble.

[Bananaistan]

OOC: The author still hasn't answered how any of this would be less arduous than providing everyone at border check with the general info needed to, you know, visit a foreign nation? Like what side of the road to drive, what colour light means "go", and what number to call if you get in trouble.

OOC: I'm glad people are using OOC comments. Makes it easier to refer to RL European Union practice of having a single union wide emergency number. If it makes sense for the EU and the dozens of other countries who subsequently adopted 112, it makes sense for the WA.

Also, a single fix to connect callers to 000 or whichever number to the same switch that the existing emergency number uses is a much simpler operation that trying to get everyone to understand all this other information.

Edit: EU's justification:

Whereas the telephone is the best means of access to emergency services of all kinds; whereas at present various telephone numbers are used for this purpose in the Member States;

Whereas the effect of such differences is to create problems in contacting the responsible services for citizens facing emergency situations in other Member States;

Whereas the substantial increase in both private and business travel within the Community has created a demand for the introduction of a single European emergency call number;

Whereas the introduction of new technologies in public telephone networks and the coordinated introduction of advanced telecommunications infrastructures present a unique opportunity for the implementation of a single European emergency call number, in parallel to the existing national emergency call numbers, where appropriate;

[Wallenburg]

"Well, that's just absurd. By the time you've turned the phone dial all the way around for each digit you'd have spent less time getting an operator to put you through to the emergency line."

"I must disagree. At most two or three few seconds more dialling cannot possibly take longer than speaking to an operator."

"It's more like at least six seconds. I recommend letting the dial return to its resting position on its own, rather than pulling it back from the stop. Pulling back the dial may cause you to connect to the wrong number, or in the case of a three digit code no number at all. Maybe if you are connected with a bad operator they cannot put you through in such time. Most are able to comprehend the phrase 'get the police' in such time, though. It will most likely get you through to the proper line faster, too, since you will not have to contact a specialist emergency operator who will be redirecting you anyway."

[Greater Cesnica]

"That would do for most phones, except the ones which go up to 0 instead of starting at it."

IC: "I don't think the author is familiar with rotary phones and has no idea what you're talking about," Linda pointed out. "Araraukarian phones actually used to start from zero back in rotary era but too many false calls were made by kids playing with the phones, and then they were made to start from one. These days the vast majority of population has mobile phones and all but a few diehard fans of the rotary phones, have moved to ones with a numpad."

OOC: The author still hasn't answered how any of this would be less arduous than providing everyone at border check with the general info needed to, you know, visit a foreign nation? Like what side of the road to drive, what colour light means "go", and what number to call if you get in trouble.

OOC: I do know what rotary phones are and how they work. The one at my uncle's house starts turning at zero, hence why I didn't initially see any problem.

In any case, I'm gonna have to compromise again. '000' might be unacceptable for phones that start turning at 1 rather than zero, '999' would take a long time with rotary phone dials regardless, '112' has been deemed to be too specific to remember, so that leaves us with '111'. I am going to change the number, again, to '111' now.'

[Bananaistan]

IC: "I don't think the author is familiar with rotary phones and has no idea what you're talking about," Linda pointed out. "Araraukarian phones actually used to start from zero back in rotary era but too many false calls were made by kids playing with the phones, and then they were made to start from one. These days the vast majority of population has mobile phones and all but a few diehard fans of the rotary phones, have moved to ones with a numpad."

OOC: The author still hasn't answered how any of this would be less arduous than providing everyone at border check with the general info needed to, you know, visit a foreign nation? Like what side of the road to drive, what colour light means "go", and what number to call if you get in trouble.

OOC: I do know what rotary phones are and how they work. The one at my uncle's house starts turning at zero, hence why I didn't initially see any problem.

In any case, I'm gonna have to compromise again. '000' might be unacceptable for phones that start turning at 1 rather than zero, '999' would take a long time with rotary phone dials regardless, '112' has been deemed to be too specific to remember, so that leaves us with '111'. I am going to change the number, again, to '111' now.'

OOC: 999 was fine back in the day in the UK and Ireland and IIRC was chosen because it was easy to adjust payphones to allow it be dialled for free. 112 is no more difficult to remember that 999, 000, or 111. But anyway just choose a number and stick with it. Filibusterers are going to filibuster.