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[SUBMITTED] Safe Transport Of Radioactive Substances

Postby Allenstadt » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:38 am

What do you think of this?

The World Assembly,
Noting that multiple nations in the multiverse require radioactive substances for civilian and defense purposes,

Hereby ensures their safe transport as well as the safety of the public, environment, and workers handling the substance as well as the duties of the governments and companies transporting the substance.

This Resolution hereby defines a 'Radioactive Substance' is a substance which emits radioactivity at a scale high enough to harm humans (0.5 mSv/month)

1. All radioactive substances must be stored inside lead or other high-density material containers which must be thick enough to prevent anyone standing directly outside the container to feel no ill effects.

2. All radioactive substances may not be removed except at their designated areas and must not be released at any place where they may harm the environment or the public.

3. Any ships, trains, or other vehicles carrying such substances must be publicly declared and listed.

4. Any such vehicles as mentioned above should take reasonable precautions to ensure for protections of workers on such ships if there is a problem resulting in a leak of radioactive substances, and have protocols to ensure that in case of a leak, radiation may not leak out to the public or surrounding environment

4. Any exports or imports of such substances must also be publicly declared and comply by these regulations.

5. Any workers transporting these substances must be provided with free protection gear by the company or government transporting these substances. If they or anyone else requires medical care/attention due to being exposed to substances they are transporting, the Company or Government responsible must pay for this healthcare and funeral costs, if necessary.

6. Radioactive Substances may not be transported by airplanes, helicopters, or any method which involves the substance being airborne.

7. Any vehicle which contains radiation due to a leak must be safely disposed.

8. Individual civilians may not transport radioactive substances excepting special need and a permit from their respective government.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:40 am

You should unsubmit this, there are a few problems. After a five second glance you mention humans only, and that's going to get major opposition from those who don't have humans as the dominant species
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:46 am

Since you have already submitted, there is nothing to think. Whatever we say, we can't change the resolution as submitted, only try to convince you to pull it and draft it in here.


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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:31 am

This was submitted as Regulation/Safety. Here is the campaign TG sent to all delegates except the author (themselves the WAD of The Democratic Sphere) to raise awareness at 04:19:30 BST on Sunday:
Hello Esteemed delegates!

I come asking you to approve my General Assembly resolution 'Safe Transport of Radioactive Substances'.

This resolution will ensure that all radioactive substances will be transported safely, and will protect the workers transporting it.\

I have included the proposal link. Please read it and approve it!

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Postby Picairn » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:50 am

3. Any ships, trains, or other vehicles carrying such substances must be publicly declared and listed.

"Why is this clause necessary? Won't this declaration mark these vehicles as easy targets for terrorists and spies to steal radioactive substances for nefarious purposes?"
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Postby Allenstadt » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:12 am

Honeydewistania wrote:You should unsubmit this, there are a few problems. After a five second glance you mention humans only, and that's going to get major opposition from those who don't have humans as the dominant species

That's why I included the 0.5 mSv/month, which is the tolerance limit for most species.

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3. Any ships, trains, or other vehicles carrying such substances must be publicly declared and listed.

"Why is this clause necessary? Won't this declaration mark these vehicles as easy targets for terrorists and spies to steal radioactive substances for nefarious purposes?"

The routes or destinations need not be listed, only the fact that they carry these goods.

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:15 am

I'll point out a few of the very easy errors you've made, which a few days of drafting would have corrected. I won't engage in the substance, as it is still submitted. I wish to stress that correcting these issues does not make your resolution ready for submission, it only corrects what a first day of drafting would spot.
Allenstadt wrote:1. All radioactive substances must be stored inside lead or other high-density material containers which must be thick enough to prevent anyone standing directly outside the container to feel no ill effects.
This double negation means the mandate necessitates at least some ill effects; to implement this resolution, workers must get at least some radiation poisoning.

2. All radioactive substances may not be removed except at their designated areas and must not be released at any place where they may harm the environment or the public.
So some removal is OK. Further, with released, any place and harm being slightly ambiguous, accidents are illegal and removal of radioactive material in case of accidents is illegal.

3. Any ships, trains, or other vehicles carrying such substances must be publicly declared and listed.
No obvious grammar issues.

4. Any such vehicles as mentioned above should take reasonable precautions to ensure for protections of workers on such ships if there is a problem resulting in a leak of radioactive substances, and have protocols to ensure that in case of a leak, radiation may not leak out to the public or surrounding environment
This is a mandate on the radiation. The protocols could say "arrest the radiation" and still comply with the resolution as written.

4. Any exports or imports of such substances must also be publicly declared and comply by these regulations.
No obvious grammar issues.

5. Any workers transporting these substances must be provided with free protection gear by the company or government transporting these substances. If they or anyone else requires medical care/attention due to being exposed to substances they are transporting, the Company or Government responsible must pay for this healthcare and funeral costs, if necessary.
Since company is ambiguous and the "or" is open for blame-shifting, I don't think this will have the intended effect.

6. Radioactive Substances may not be transported by airplanes, helicopters, or any method which involves the substance being airborne.
No obvious grammar issues.

7. Any vehicle which contains radiation due to a leak must be safely disposed.
Is this a removal or release? Because that's illegal.

8. Individual civilians may not transport radioactive substances excepting special need and a permit from their respective government.
But if you're two in the car, it's OK.

Pull it, work over your draft for some weeks, then consider a submission.


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Postby Merni » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:17 am

Allenstadt wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:You should unsubmit this, there are a few problems. After a five second glance you mention humans only, and that's going to get major opposition from those who don't have humans as the dominant species

That's why I included the 0.5 mSv/month, which is the tolerance limit for most species.

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Postby Picairn » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:26 am

OP seems to forget that we have pan-Galactic empires and alien civilizations here on NS.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:16 am

Full disclosure: I felt this resolution had so many obvious and debilitating flaws that my 5-minute editing pass caught that it urgently requires a redraft. So I sent out a TG to the WA delegates who have currently approved, with the following message:
Dear Delegate,

You have approved the General Assembly resolution “Safe Transport of Radioactive Substances”. I kindly ask that you withdraw that approval, as the resolution in question was not drafted on the forum, and it shows.
I don’t doubt the good intentions of the author, but even a quick editing pass on the resolution would have improved it immensely, as I will show. Veteran drafters on the board also suggested to the author to withdraw the resolution and draft it on the forums.

I will highlight just two errors in grammar and language that I spotted and noted to the author within 4 hours that alone are enough to warrant a pull for further drafting.
First, clause one states:
1. All radioactive substances must be stored inside lead or other high-density material containers which must be thick enough to prevent anyone standing directly outside the container to feel no ill effects.
The two underlined parts are together a double negation. That means you must feel at least some ill effect by standing directly outside a container of radioactive substance. In contradiction of the desired goal of the resolution, the illegal thing would be to have a safe enough transport system that workers never got radioactive poisoning.
The second clause states:
2. All radioactive substances may not be removed except at their designated areas and must not be released at any place where they may harm the environment or the public.
This clause contains two issues. First, because ”all” radioactive substances may not be removed, this actually implies that it is OK to remove some radioactive substances. Further, with “release” being ambiguous, this bans removal of radioactive materials in case of an accident. The resolution as written would require radioactive material to be left if e.g. a train derails and catches fire.

These two issues are not the only wrong things about the resolution, but the fact I could spot them within 4 hours shows how needed the drafting process is. I ask that you withdraw your approval and tell the author you still support the idea, but it needs more work.
Link to the resolution:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1599921851
Link to the forum drafting thread where these errors are also pointed out:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=491209

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I hope enough delegates react that we won't see this version of the resolution reach the floor, and induces the author to take the drafting process a bit more serious.


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Postby Ardiveds » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:45 am

Allenstadt wrote:What do you think of this?

6. Radioactive Substances may not be transported by airplanes, helicopters, or any method which involves the substance being airborne.


"Ambassador, how exactly do you transport radioactive materials between planets without getting them airborne?"

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Postby Fre Cruth » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:47 pm

I really like this, I think it is well worded and well thought out. I can see where people are coming from about the backlash that animals are not included in the first clause but honestly don't see the need. If we are safely transporting radioactive materials for humans than it is most likely Safe for animals. Also the reality it that humans are the main priority anyways.

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:55 am

Fre Cruth wrote:I really like this, I think it is well worded and well thought out. I can see where people are coming from about the backlash that animals are not included in the first clause but honestly don't see the need. If we are safely transporting radioactive materials for humans than it is most likely Safe for animals. Also the reality it that humans are the main priority anyways.

(OOC: The GA considers legislation from a more general sapient perspective, rather than focusing on an anthropocentric viewpoint. This proposal ought to be withdrawn for further work.)
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:00 am

I hope that the author will reconsider their drafting process now that the initial proposal failed to reach the floor. By my count, it would have failed even without my TGs.


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