OOC: For the record, "sotamies" (literally "warman") means soldier.
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by Araraukar » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:58 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Kenmoria » Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:44 am
Araraukar wrote:Kenmoria wrote:1. Defines a ‘journalist’, for the purposes of this resolution, as a person who gathers and relays information, with the intention of distributing this information to the public;
OOC: In other words "a spy". Is it entirely impossible to reword this so that a general managing a battlefield doesn't have to let enemy spies romp around their side with the pretense of publishing everything in a newspaper (while also giving a detailed report to the generals of the opposing side)? Maybe "sole intention"? And/or "publishing" instead of "distributing"?
Araraukar wrote:2. Defines a ‘wartime journalist’ as a journalist who reports on events occurring in wartime from inside an area where military activities are taking place, have recently taken place, or will soon take place;
Howabout "acts of war" instead of "military activities"? That way if one side is not that of a proper military but rather some unofficial combatant force (in civil wars especially such might easily be the case), the area wouldn't be offlimits to journalists. It would also rule out needing to let the journalists into privacy-protected areas like military hospitals, where activities that are about the military (the soldiers) would be taking place but probably wouldn't have a whole lot of anything that could be reported (because of privacy protections of the patients) in the first place.
Araraukar wrote:3. Mandates that all wartime journalists wear clear and externally-obvious identification signifying their status as such, and clarifies that wartime journalists who fail to do so are not protected under the auspices of this resolution;
...so the enemy side journalists can be shot on sight as spies due to the identification not being internationally recognized? I withdraw the issue about the spies.
Araraukar wrote:4. Prohibits active members of a member state’s military from utilising the identification required in clause 3;
Even if they act as journalists instead of soldiers? Militaries do have their own journalists, you know.
Araraukar wrote:The area is private property and the owner, who is not a military or governmental entity nor purchased the property on behalf of one, of that property has not consented to the presence of journalists,
I get that this is meant to be so that a king can't declare all of their kingdom as their private property and block journalists from it, but what if they own a piece of land as a private citizen? They don't have the same rights as everyone else? Why not? Same for prime ministers and city councilors and generals and whatever people. And what if an area of land is jointly owned by a private person and "military or governmental entity", can the private person say no entry?
Araraukar wrote:6. Permits wartime journalists to report on any activities occurring as part of military action, unless reporting on these activists could result in loss of life or military equipment, or the jeopardisation of lawful military activities;
...or doing so would break extant WA resolutions to do about privacy. I would also add something about not violating good journalistic practices (or whatever the English wording for the term is).
Araraukar wrote:7. Prohibits member nations from restricting the movement or actions of journalists, except either in accordance with the exceptions listed in this resolution to journalists’ freedoms, or where the journalists’ actions would be prohibited for a normal civilian not performing journalistic activities and not inside a warzone;
This is hard to parse. Exactly what is the exception meant to mean? Can you give a solid example?
Araraukar wrote:8. Urges member states to fully brief all wartime journalists on the dangers of reporting in wartime in an unbiased manner; and
Does "if you go in there, you're probably not coming out alive" suffice?
Araraukar wrote:9. Exempts from the protections of this resolution any wartime journalist who has been found to have committed or be planning to commit espionage, or who has attempted to interfere with legitimate military actions.
But espionage is totally kosher with the definition of a journalist, so what counts as espionage? How does it differ from journalism here? Same for the interference - asking questions, taking pictures and being underfoot sounds like interfering to me, but probably wasn't your intention.
by Honeydewistania » Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:51 am
I did want to include a committee on making externally-identifiable identification, but decided against it based on concerns about that being excessive. However, on reflection, that does seem to be the only way to do it.
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Kenmoria » Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:01 am
Honeydewistania wrote:I did want to include a committee on making externally-identifiable identification, but decided against it based on concerns about that being excessive. However, on reflection, that does seem to be the only way to do it.
Will this new committee allow their identification to be available to non-member journalists interested in reporting too?
by Honeydewistania » Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:07 am
Kenmoria wrote:Honeydewistania wrote:Will this new committee allow their identification to be available to non-member journalists interested in reporting too?
(OOC: I would like to do so. However, because nonmembers aren’t bound by any of the provisions in this legislation guaranteeing lawful conduct, there’s too much risk of abuse.)
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
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by Refuge Isle » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:15 pm
7. Clarifies that, with regards to clause 5a, if a property is owned jointly between persons who are able to deny consent to journalists and persons who are not, those persons who would ordinarily be able to deny consent to the entrance of journalists are still able to do so;
by Kenmoria » Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:34 am
Tinfect wrote:"The Imperium has no objections at this time."
Refuge Isle wrote:7. Clarifies that, with regards to clause 5a, if a property is owned jointly between persons who are able to deny consent to journalists and persons who are not, those persons who would ordinarily be able to deny consent to the entrance of journalists are still able to do so;
This should be updated to say 6a.
Outside of that, I have no complaints with content of this proposal, and it appears to be a vast improvement over the previous resolution. Good luck
by Honeydewistania » Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:17 am
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Honeydewistania » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:20 am
4. Mandates that all wartime journalists wear this aforementioned identification, and clarifies that wartime journalists who fail to do so are not protected under the auspices of this resolution;
the breach of World Assembly legislation pertaining to privacy , or the jeopardisation of lawful military activities;
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by Kenmoria » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:58 am
Honeydewistania wrote:4. Mandates that all wartime journalists wear this aforementioned identification, and clarifies that wartime journalists who fail to do so are not protected under the auspices of this resolution;
Would it be necessary to mandate that governments provide the identification to people, since this identification is only given to member states and governments?
Honeydewistania wrote:the breach of World Assembly legislation pertaining to privacy , or the jeopardisation of lawful military activities;
There is an erroneous space
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:13 am
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