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[SUBMITTED] Regulations of Capital Punishment

Postby Cosmosplosion » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:03 pm

With the passage of ‘International Criminal Protocol’ on-going, and a discussion regarding the legality of said proposal, I have decided to author this proposal. I believe these regulations to be reasonable, considering the magnitude of capital punishment.

This draft is still early, I would appreciate some feedback. Thank you.
Regulations of Capital Punishment
Category: Global Disarmament - Strength: Significant

Noting the need for strong regulations on the topic of capital punishment,

Reiterates the right of member nations to sentence prisoners to, and carry out, capital punishment,

Hereby,

Mandates that;

Member Nations may not allow any sapient species to witness capital punishment, including any being participating in the capital punishment. This includes witnessing the capital punishment in-person and/or through a live feed and/or recordings; Clarifies that this clause does not prevent distribution of recordings of past capital punishments,

Member Nations may only possess items required to carry out capital punishment if there is an imminent need to execute a prisoner,

Buildings or temporary structures, and the items within them, must be destroyed if capital punishment occurs within their confines; Maximum of one (1) capital punishment may be carried out within a building or temporary structure; This building or temporary structure must meet jurisdictional standards for residency and occupancy; Capital punishment cannot occur outside.
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Your tags are borked. Opposed to this, but happy to see that at least some resolution authors care about the disposable gazebo industry ;p
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Postby Flying Eagles » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:10 pm

Member Nations may only possess items required to carry out capital punishment if there is an imminent need to execute a prisoner

We don't feel there is ever a situation in which the need for capital punishment is "imminent", so we feel this amounts to an effective ban on the carrying out of capital punishment within WA nations. Of course, we could export capitally punished persons to non-WA nations to carry out the execution, but that may have already been banned by other WA resolutions.
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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:14 pm

OOC: This may very well be the greatest resolution I have ever seen. Full support for a proposal with regulations that can only be described as necessary and fair.
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Postby Cretox State » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:17 pm

OOC: Full support.
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Postby Cretox State » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:22 pm

Flying Eagles wrote:
Member Nations may only possess items required to carry out capital punishment if there is an imminent need to execute a prisoner

We don't feel there is ever a situation in which the need for capital punishment is "imminent", so we feel this amounts to an effective ban on the carrying out of capital punishment within WA nations. Of course, we could export capitally punished persons to non-WA nations to carry out the execution, but that may have already been banned by other WA resolutions.

"Why would any government, much less one of this benevolent assembly, execute someone if there is no imminent need? In fact, not possessing unnecessary tools is both economically sound and completely logical. We would be in favor of similarly flawless proposals that regulate topics like, oh say, nuclear weapons use and animal sacrifice."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:22 pm

Flying Eagles wrote:
Member Nations may only possess items required to carry out capital punishment if there is an imminent need to execute a prisoner

We don't feel there is ever a situation in which the need for capital punishment is "imminent", so we feel this amounts to an effective ban on the carrying out of capital punishment within WA nations. Of course, we could export capitally punished persons to non-WA nations to carry out the execution, but that may have already been banned by other WA resolutions.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:59 pm

Comfed wrote:Yes. This one is amazing. Who needs a repeal of the ICP?

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Postby Tinfect » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:36 pm

OOC:
There's a thread for joke proposals.
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Postby Cosmosplosion » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:30 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
There's a thread for joke proposals.

It's funny that you think this is a joke proposal.
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Postby Flying Eagles » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:49 pm

Cretox State wrote:
Flying Eagles wrote:We don't feel there is ever a situation in which the need for capital punishment is "imminent", so we feel this amounts to an effective ban on the carrying out of capital punishment within WA nations. Of course, we could export capitally punished persons to non-WA nations to carry out the execution, but that may have already been banned by other WA resolutions.

"Why would any government, much less one of this benevolent assembly, execute someone if there is no imminent need? In fact, not possessing unnecessary tools is both economically sound and completely logical. We would be in favor of similarly flawless proposals that regulate topics like, oh say, nuclear weapons use and animal sacrifice."

We’ll support.For murderers, life sentence is arguably a greater penalty than execution anyways.
OOC: Opposed on ethical grounds re the methods the author is using to try to make this resolution pass.
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Postby Tinfect » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:53 pm

Cosmosplosion wrote:
Tinfect wrote:OOC:
There's a thread for joke proposals.

It's funny that you think this is a joke proposal.


OOC:
Good lord, if you want to ban capital punishment that badly, write a goddamn repeal. Dispense with this childishness.
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Postby Flying Eagles » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:07 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Cosmosplosion wrote:It's funny that you think this is a joke proposal.


OOC:
Good lord, if you want to ban capital punishment that badly, write a goddamn repeal. Dispense with this childishness.

OOC: Probably a valid point. While this resolution is a very sneaky blocker, I don’t like sneaky blockers on ethical grounds. This resolution is too reliant on chicanery for my liking.
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Postby Picairn » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:32 pm

First mandate:
Member Nations may not allow any sapient species to witness an execution, including any being participating in the execution. This includes witnessing the execution in-person and/or through a live feed and/or recordings,

So in the future, many years after the execution of say a famous serial killer, a news station wants to make a documentary of it, including the recordings of the execution. Will this proposal ban said documentary from being broadcasted in public?
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Postby Tinfect » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:40 pm

Picairn wrote:So in the future, many years after the execution of say a famous serial killer, a news station wants to make a documentary of it, including the recordings of the execution. Will this proposal ban said documentary from being broadcasted in public?


OOC:
Yes, though in such I case I wouldn't consider that a fault.
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Postby Picairn » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:55 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Yes, though in such I case I wouldn't consider that a fault.

OOC: I would consider that quite terrible, since according to this proposal, we wouldn't be able to see Mussolini and many other monsters executed in real life. Erasing history is never good. Now I don't revel in horrific, brutal scenes (and not many modern executions were ghastly like the old times anyway), but it feels good to see monsters executed after so many crimes were committed. It also teaches us how not to be a monster. It's a part of history as much as other events.

Also why is this necessary anyway? In what way does this stop or curb executions?
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:04 pm

Picairn wrote:
Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Yes, though in such I case I wouldn't consider that a fault.

OOC: I would consider that quite terrible, since according to this proposal, we wouldn't be able to see Mussolini and many other monsters executed in real life. Erasing history is never good. Now I don't revel in horrific, brutal scenes (and not many modern executions were ghastly like the old times anyway), but it feels good to see monsters executed after so many crimes were committed. It also teaches us how not to be a monster. It's a part of history as much as other events.

Also why is this necessary anyway? In what way does this stop or curb executions?

I agree with this, actually.

I think public executions like it’s the pictures or a stadium is barbaric and should be banned, but this is yet another way to try and ban capital punishment. A ban on public execution with exceptions like Mussolini’s could be plausible and will have my support.
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Postby The New Nordic Union » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:06 am

Member Nations may only possess items required to carry out capital punishment if there is an imminent need to execute a prisoner,


OOC: Read like "Nations might only possess firearms if there is need for a firing squad to execute a prisoner", this will be rather problematic, I believe.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:31 am

Honeydewistania wrote:I think public executions like it’s the pictures or a stadium is barbaric and should be banned, but this is yet another way to try and ban capital punishment. A ban on public execution with exceptions like Mussolini’s could be plausible and will have my support.

I think a true originalist would have to argue that the only not cruel and not unusual form of capital punishment would be a public hanging.

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:I think public executions like it’s the pictures or a stadium is barbaric and should be banned, but this is yet another way to try and ban capital punishment. A ban on public execution with exceptions like Mussolini’s could be plausible and will have my support.

I think a true originalist would have to argue that the only not cruel and not unusual form of capital punishment would be a public hanging.

OOC: honestly never understood what made guillotines worse than hanging. The margin for error seems much less.
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Attancia wrote:"Despite reading well, we find the shortage of preamble disturbing. Oh, and of course that whole thing banning people viewing executions. Banning one of our nation's favourite sports is an affront to our culture!"

“Public executions for entertainment are already banned due to Ban on Forced Blood Sports, ambassador.”
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Postby Picairn » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:23 am

OOC: I reiterate my position that the first mandate infringes on the freedom of information (particularly in restricting documentaries (or even a picture) involving famous executions of terrible monsters), as well as the fact that it does nothing, in my view, to curb or stop executions. There ought to be an exception for monsters (dictators, monarchs, torturers, etc.) who committed crimes against humanity, that if they ever be overthrown and publicly executed, the public should have the right to witness justice being served and broadcast the executions as lessons for ambitious men in the future.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:25 am

Ardiveds wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:I think a true originalist would have to argue that the only not cruel and not unusual form of capital punishment would be a public hanging.

OOC: honestly never understood what made guillotines worse than hanging. The margin for error seems much less.

Guillotines are slightly more humane in a way, it's almost instant death as opposed to hanging helplessly for three minutes
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